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Fr. John Corapi's Conversion story - March 6 at 10pm on EWTN
EWTN ^ | March 6, 2010 | Fr. John Corapi

Posted on 03/06/2010 3:52:39 PM PST by NYer

March 6

FATHER CORAPI'S CONVERSION STORY

Father John Corapi is a member of the Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity. The pillars of his preaching are love for the Blessed Virgin Mary which leads to a loving relationship with Jesus Christ and great love and reverence for the Holy Eucharist, as well as an uncompromising love for and obedience to the Holy Father and the teaching of the Magisterium of the Church. His widely acclaimed series on the Catechism of the Catholic Church entitled The Teaching of Jesus Christ is used throughout the world as a course in religious education and catechesis. more »
More about Father John Corapi's Amazing Story

Father John Corapi's Amazing Story is just that: amazing. You'll have to listen to it yourself to appreciate how one man can go from the utter depths of despair to the heights of supernatural contentment.

Because it was the first recording released to the general public featuring Father JohnCorapi, virtually no one in America knew who he was at the time. Of course, Father John Corapi has since become one of the most influential Catholic speakers of our times, appearing at countless conferences, parish missions, as well as regularly on EWTN, the global Catholic television network.

Many believe that he has the ineffable power of God fueling his speaking ability, giving him supernatural influence beyond the meaning of his words.


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1 posted on 03/06/2010 3:52:40 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

Saturday ping!


2 posted on 03/06/2010 3:53:03 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

I briefly saw one of his sermons, and was most impressed by 1.) his clarity and directness of thought, and 2.) His complete faithfulness to Catholic teachings as i know them).


3 posted on 03/06/2010 4:01:40 PM PST by J Edgar
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To: NYer

According to your tag line, the Church is in heaven where Peter is. Sounds like the invisible universal Body of Christ that those not enslaved to Rome espouse.

Unless of course, you consider Peter stuck in the bone.


4 posted on 03/06/2010 4:26:22 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
According to your tag line, the Church is in heaven where Peter is.

Scripture clearly points out St. Peter as Christ's representative on earth. Christ did not ask the other Eleven to feed and tend His sheep. If you read The Acts Of The Apostles, it is clear that St. Peter leads the Apostles. Therefore, since the Apostles are to be replaced as they die (Acts 1:20-26), then it follows that whoever succeed(s) St. Peter is leader of the Church. There is only to be one shepherd of the Church (John 10:16). For the Apostles did not argue amongst themselves whether there was a "greatest" at all, but who amongst them was the greatest (Mark 9:34; Luke 9:46).

5 posted on 03/06/2010 4:55:34 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

That isn’t what your tag line says.

May want to adjust it to “We have decided who the successor to Peter is and wherever that successor is, there is the group that claims to be the only true Church.” That would be more truthful. Because Peter is in heaven. Unless you believe a rather warped gospel.

And I have read Acts dozens of times and I find that Peter is just like the other Apostles and disciples. And if you bothered to read Galatians, you would find that Paul had seriously straighten Peter out from his tendencies to cave into those who would impose Jewish law upon Gentile believers. Peter was no spiritual giant, nor biblical scholar.

By Acts 15, (with Paul’s help) Peter finally got the picture and tried to help straighten out the rest of the crowd. But, even then they settled for a kind of watered down statement that never really went anywhere. The Catholic Church should just read the story and let it teach them...instead of them teaching the Bible what they want it to say.


6 posted on 03/06/2010 5:12:08 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: NYer

One of Fr. Corapi’s many inspiring homilies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhAyEZR4gUk


7 posted on 03/06/2010 5:18:30 PM PST by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: NYer

Corapi is an impressive preacher. I like the guy a lot.


8 posted on 03/06/2010 5:29:36 PM PST by marron
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To: NYer

Well unless we doze off we cant possibly miss it.

No tv other than EWTN for Lent is our family tradition.

Wathching Karol-—A Man Who would be Pope right now.

If I would have seen your theard I would have announced the next showing on it instead of starting a seperate one.

Fr. Corapi has been able to get through my thick skull many times with the words of God.

Who cannot enjoy his voice too.


9 posted on 03/06/2010 6:00:51 PM PST by Global2010 (Strange We Can Believe In)
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To: NYer

I think having Christoper Hitchen as brother would drive anybody crazy

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1255983/How-I-God-peace-atheist-brother-PETER-HITCHENS-traces-journey-Christianity.html


10 posted on 03/06/2010 6:20:33 PM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: NYer
Scripture clearly points out St. Peter as Christ's representative on earth.

It certainly does not...The scripture clearly points out that the Holy Spirit is Jesus' representative on earth...

Christ did not ask the other Eleven to feed and tend His sheep.

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

1Pe 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

Of course Peter AND the other eleven were responsible for feeding the sheep...All the elders were responsible for feeding the sheep as well...

If you read The Acts Of The Apostles, it is clear that St. Peter leads the Apostles.

Sure, clear as mud...

Paul didn't answer to Peter...The other apostles who became spread around the continent never answered to Peter...The second generation elders didn't answer to Peter...So who answered to Peter???

Peter wandered the country preaching to and converting Jews...Paul's ministry was to convert the Gentiles...

Therefore, since the Apostles are to be replaced as they die (Acts 1:20-26)

And you are wrong on this one as well...God did not sanction the chosing of another Apostle after Judas...That was the Apostle's idea...When Jesus wanted an Apostle, they were hand picked by Jesus...

And one requirement of being an Apostle was that the Apostle had to have witnessed the mininstry of Jesus and been been alive during the Crucifixion...

James was not replaced when he died...Why do you guys make this stuff up???

, then it follows that whoever succeed(s) St. Peter is leader of the Church.

Only by someone's twisted human logic...There is no leader of the church outside of the Lord, Jesus Christ...

There is only to be one shepherd of the Church (John 10:16).

True...But it ain't some guy dressed up in a monkey suit sittin' on a throne in Rome...

Psa 23:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd;

For the Apostles did not argue amongst themselves whether there was a "greatest" at all, but who amongst them was the greatest (Mark 9:34; Luke 9:46).

And Jesus immediately shot them down...

Mar 9:35 And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.

The greatest is the one who is the last, and the servant of all...He is not a leader, not a pope...The greatest wil be at the bottom of the heap...

This entire little thesis is wrong from start to finish...This stuff is just plain untrue...Deception at it's best...

11 posted on 03/06/2010 6:52:50 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: NYer

Thanks, tuning in. His story is amazing.


12 posted on 03/06/2010 7:36:42 PM PST by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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To: Iscool; NYer
, then it follows that whoever succeed(s) St. Peter is leader of the Church.

Only by someone's twisted human logic...There is no leader of the church outside of the Lord, Jesus Christ...

Twisted human logic? That persisted for some 1400 years after Christ's death and Resurrection, until the days of Henry VIII, who wanted yet another divorce and a church who would oblige him, and Martin Luther, who sought his own version of reform, and others who followed? Fourteen hundred years of error?

But it ain't some guy dressed up in a monkey suit sittin' on a throne in Rome...

Do you harbor the same 'Christian love' towards the leaders of other churches? Or do you single out the Pope alone?

13 posted on 03/06/2010 7:54:38 PM PST by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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To: NYer

Fr. Corapi is an amazing speaker & his story is so incredibly uplifting!


14 posted on 03/06/2010 8:25:08 PM PST by TheStickman
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To: fortunecookie; Iscool
Do you harbor the same 'Christian love' towards the leaders of other churches? Or do you single out the Pope alone?

I must ask you to pardon brother Iscool. The prelate of the Church of Iscool (population one) conducts services most Sundays from the LaZBoy throne in the hall of sports worship. However, this prelate has no official recognition or title of Steward of Christ, so occasionally when the moon is full, or on a day that ends in "y", he sometimes speaks out of turn.

From my long term posts back and forth with our friend, I believe that he is a Christian, or would be if he ever actually opened his Bible and read the Gospels. Do not be hard on anyone who searches for Christ.

15 posted on 03/06/2010 8:25:20 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: fortunecookie

Very good testimony.

Tells of where Hollywood Life will getcha if ya go with the flow.

Very telling about his time with Natalie Cole.
He seems to elude to anyway. : )

I loved her music before she fell, and thank God made it back from that insanity.

Seems the High Life of Drugs/Boozin fast money of Hollywood is a revovling door and Fr can attest to that as he lived it.

Like what he said All the rats jump of the sinking ship....some things never change.

When he Preaches about Hope it is so much different then what Obama preached about the meaning of Hope pre/post campaign.

Ya cant take God at out of the meaning of such words as Hope. Suffering. Joy. Despair.

Else you end up with it becoming a twisted lie from Satan. JMO.


16 posted on 03/06/2010 10:44:22 PM PST by Global2010 (Strange We Can Believe In)
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To: MarkBsnr
I believe that he is a Christian

Assumes facts not in evidence.

The one fact that is in evidence is his public flaunting of his ignorance.

17 posted on 03/06/2010 10:48:31 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Dutchboy88
Have you commenced your penance yet?
18 posted on 03/06/2010 10:51:44 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: NYer
For those who missed it, it's online here too:


http://gloria.tv/?media=23129

19 posted on 03/06/2010 10:56:20 PM PST by monkapotamus
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To: NYer

I had the pleasure of seeing Fr. Corapi and Scott hahn together for a lenten retreat about 5 years ago. One of the most outstanding experiences of my life.


20 posted on 03/07/2010 8:55:14 AM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: NYer

I enjoy listening to Fr Corapi, and I’m not even a Christian.


21 posted on 03/07/2010 9:29:49 AM PST by onedoug
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To: monkapotamus

Thank you for posting that link!


22 posted on 03/07/2010 10:07:59 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
"Have you commenced your penance yet?"

The utter beauty and freedom of the Gospel of Christ (as compared to the chains of Roman Catholicism) is that penance is neither necessary nor possible.

"But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, beiing justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;..."

Notice, no penance, no confessional, no priesthood and certainly no pope involved. Rome has manufactured its own self-righteousness which is another gospel...from the darkness. We invite those enslaved to the Roman cult to come out into the light of Christ alone...if you can.

23 posted on 03/07/2010 10:17:16 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: A.A. Cunningham
I believe that he is a Christian

Assumes facts not in evidence.

In spite of the LaZBoy throne in the hall of sports worship on Sundays, it is still not enough for him. Perhaps he may read Scripture at some point in either boredom or despair.

The one fact that is in evidence is his public flaunting of his ignorance.

Big deal. I was corrected recently on my own ignorance of reading icons in public fashion. Ignorance can be remedied. Stupidity, very often, cannot be.

24 posted on 03/07/2010 11:02:28 AM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dutchboy88
penance is neither necessary nor possible.

I admire your constancy, sir. It is a gift to be so wrong so often, in so many ways. Do you have your Bible handy?

Acts 7: 51 "You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always oppose the holy Spirit; you are just like your ancestors. 52 Which of the prophets did your ancestors not persecute? They put to death those who foretold the coming of the righteous one, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become. 53 You received the law as transmitted by angels, but you did not observe it." 54 When they heard this, they were infuriated, and they ground their teeth at him.

But on to penance. The precedence is set in:

Numbers 5: 6 "Tell the Israelites: If a man (or a woman) commits a fault against his fellow man and wrongs him, thus breaking faith with the LORD, 7 he shall confess the wrong he has done, restore his ill-gotten goods in full, and in addition give one fifth of their value to the one he has wronged. 8 3 However, if the latter has no next of kin to whom restoration of the ill-gotten goods can be made, the goods to be restored shall be the LORD'S and shall fall to the priest; this is apart from the atonement ram with which the priest makes amends for the guilty man.

Leviticus 4-7 is even more explicit - with penance instructions for individual men, for priests, and for princes.

And what does the NT bring? Matthew 5: 6 23 Therefore, if you bring your gift to the altar, and there recall that your brother has anything against you, 24 leave your gift there at the altar, go first and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Settle with your opponent quickly while on the way to court with him. Otherwise your opponent will hand you over to the judge, and the judge will hand you over to the guard, and you will be thrown into prison. 26 Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny.

The Lord's Prayer tells us to forgive those who have transgressed against us, and Matthew 18 tells us to forgive our brother in essentially unlimited fashion. Therefore, we are instructed to do penance to our brethren whom we wronged, and to forgive others their penance towards us.

Penance due God and penance due our fellow men.

25 posted on 03/07/2010 11:54:02 AM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; A.A. Cunningham
Do not make this thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

26 posted on 03/07/2010 11:57:31 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; Marysecretary; blue-duncan
"I admire your constancy, sir. It is a gift to be so wrong so often, in so many ways. Do you have your Bible handy?"

Oh, I have a Bible handy...it is the thing that continues to expose the Roman error so routinely. Your first quote is so obviously taken out of context that it serves as a prime example of the destructive hermeneutic promulgated by Rome and its ignorant ilk.

Then you teach us Jewish Law as a practice for believing Gentiles. Obviously, you did not read the rest of the story (Eph. 2:11 - 16), but that has never stopped you from spouting the bizarre theology peddled by Rome.

We could only hope that some of the Roman constituents would actually cut off and tear out some of the appendages demanded by the tenets of Jewish Law for the failures that they inevitably commit. If they did at least they would be closer to demonstrating they actually believed the tripe they try to set upon the rest of the world. Instead, like Peter was compelled to spank the Judaizers, we need to chastize you patrons of Rome, "Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we (especially the RCs) have been able to bear? But we (the real rescued believers) believe we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus,..." You probably cannot find this in the Bible, since it repudiates the silly self-justification of Rome.

But, please continue with that cultish practice of penance and other empty rituals certain to be destroyed in the final judgment. It makes the free and unearned grace of Jesus Christ so beautiful in contrast to the self-righteousness mistakenly held by Rome. Those called into the light of Christ will see this contrast and flee to the safety of His righteousness and away from Vatican darkness.

27 posted on 03/07/2010 12:28:27 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
Oh, I have a Bible handy

If one pounds a little less and reads a little more, there is no end of the revelation of God that one may encounter.

the destructive hermeneutic promulgated by Rome and its ignorant ilk.

We wrote the NT, we selected the version of each book, bound it, printed it, and via Gutenberg, brought it to the heretic, the apostate, the pagan and the ungrateful. We know what it means; innovative theologies are of no interest to Christians. Only the worship of God. You may wish to take your complaints to Dr. Phil.

But, please continue with that cultish practice of penance and other empty rituals certain to be destroyed in the final judgment.

We do not take or eschew action on your bidding; we pay attention to God and follow the Word of Jesus Christ. The Latin Church is responsible for the Reformers, it is true. The Orthodox did not let the heretics get to the point where they could form their own substantial churches. I'll tell that to Dr. Phil.

It makes the free and unearned grace of Jesus Christ so beautiful in contrast to the self-righteousness mistakenly held by Rome.

The only righteousness comes from God and His Grace in our hearts and souls. We do contrast the beauty of the Faith to the hate of the Reformers when called on to defend their own innovative beliefs. I will admit that to Dr. Phil.

Those called into the light of Christ will see this contrast and flee to the safety of His righteousness and away from Vatican darkness.

The love and the light of God do not sit well with the tenor of your post to me. I will tell Dr. Phil that I will pray that your heart be converted and you will become Christian. In spite of Reformed efforts to the contrary:


28 posted on 03/07/2010 12:53:49 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

bttt


29 posted on 03/07/2010 12:56:38 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: Dutchboy88; wmfights; Marysecretary; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; ...
We could only hope that some of the Roman constituents would actually cut off and tear out some of the appendages demanded by the tenets of Jewish Law for the failures that they inevitably commit. If they did at least they would be closer to demonstrating they actually believed the tripe they try to set upon the rest of the world. Instead, like Peter was compelled to spank the Judaizers, we need to chastize you patrons of Rome, "Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we (especially the RCs) have been able to bear? But we (the real rescued believers) believe we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus,..." You probably cannot find this in the Bible, since it repudiates the silly self-justification of Rome.

But, please continue with that cultish practice of penance and other empty rituals certain to be destroyed in the final judgment. It makes the free and unearned grace of Jesus Christ so beautiful in contrast to the self-righteousness mistakenly held by Rome. Those called into the light of Christ will see this contrast and flee to the safety of His righteousness and away from Vatican darkness.

AMEN!

FWIW, I can't stand this Corapi guy. Has anyone read his biography? He's an ex-drug addict. And that's not the least of his bone fides.

He's just gone from one addiction to another.

"Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? " -- Luke 6:39

Gotta go. Enjoy the day the Lord made, Saints!

30 posted on 03/07/2010 1:04:48 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg; Marysecretary; wmfights

Look Mark, posting a self-portrait will not, repeat not endear you to us no matter how cute you are.


31 posted on 03/07/2010 1:10:14 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: A.A. Cunningham
The one fact that is in evidence is his public flaunting of his ignorance.

Apparently it takes brains to be a bible denying, bible rejecting Catholic, eh???

32 posted on 03/07/2010 1:14:06 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: MarkBsnr
In spite of the LaZBoy throne in the hall of sports worship on Sundays, it is still not enough for him. Perhaps he may read Scripture at some point in either boredom or despair.

I posted scripture on this thread...Scripture that contradicts what was posted about what scripture says to justify your religion...

Perhaps you don't recognize scripture when you see it...Perhaps you won't recognize a Bible if you ever see one... Bible begins with a B, not a C...

33 posted on 03/07/2010 1:18:07 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Dutchboy88
Look Mark, posting a self-portrait will not, repeat not endear you to us no matter how cute you are.

No? That's too bad...


34 posted on 03/07/2010 1:23:03 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
"We wrote the NT, we selected the version of each book, bound it, printed it,..."

Keep it up, Mark. We are laughing our heads off as the entire Roman Catholic organization heads toward basement cat.

35 posted on 03/07/2010 1:24:03 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Iscool
I posted scripture on this thread

Yup. Four verses or snippets of verse.

Scripture that contradicts what was posted about what scripture says to justify your religion

I don't have a religion. And I'm not sure what you mean by this sentence.

Perhaps you don't recognize scripture when you see it

And perhaps I do.

Perhaps you won't recognize a Bible if you ever see one.

Perhaps I will.

Bible begins with a B, not a C.

Perhaps I can enquire about purchasing tickets to observe your efforts in the National Spelling Bee.

36 posted on 03/07/2010 1:31:13 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dutchboy88
"We wrote the NT, we selected the version of each book, bound it, printed it,..."

Keep it up, Mark.

Thank you for the accolades, but it was not I that handled the writings, acceptance, and the keeping of Holy Scripture for the faithful, as well as bringing it to the heretic, the apostate, the pagan and the ungrateful.

In keeping with the theme on this thread, and the devotion of Father Corapi, let us see what St. Luke accomplished (after writing his Gospel and Acts):


37 posted on 03/07/2010 1:41:01 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg; Marysecretary; wmfights
"In keeping with the theme on this thread, and the devotion of Father Corapi,"

The adoration of men for men is a dead giveaway that the real Gospel has escaped notice. "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." a fact that wraps around Corapi's ankles and mine. But, the Roman cult continues to praise men while the real believers in Christ praise only God. Nevertheless, continue to entertain us with the pictures and pomp. It underscores our claims.

38 posted on 03/07/2010 1:53:14 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: NYer; Dutchboy88; Dr. Eckleburg
Scripture clearly points out St. Peter as Christ's representative on earth. Christ did not ask the other Eleven to feed and tend His sheep.

No, apparently it's not all that clear. According to some discussions I had with our Roman Catholic friends several weeks ago, there are five different Patriarchs making up the Catholic Church. Each Patriarch draws from an apostle and has an "equal" voice. For example, the Orthodox has another apostle that they trace their linage to.

The Pope represents the Roman Catholic Church portion of the entire Catholic Church. He is just one of five Patriarch of the Catholic Church on earth. He carries the same weigh in the Catholic Church as the rest. So your dispute wouldn't be with us Protestants who do not share this linage belief. Rather it seems to me that there is a serious disconnect in the Catholic Church as to who exactly is in control. Apparently Christ DID ask other apostles to "feed His sheep"-at least according to some.

39 posted on 03/07/2010 2:21:33 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; Dutchboy88; Dr. Eckleburg
According to some discussions I had with our Roman Catholic friends several weeks ago, there are five different Patriarchs making up the Catholic Church. Each Patriarch draws from an apostle and has an "equal" voice.

This is true. In fact, some of the Patriarchs are also Cardinals.

The Pope represents the Roman Catholic Church portion of the entire Catholic Church.

Not true!

Although it is not widely known in our Western world, the Catholic Church is actually a communion of Churches. According to the Constitution on the Church of the Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium, the Catholic Church is understood to be "a corporate body of Churches," united with the Pope of Rome, who serves as the guardian of unity (LG, no. 23). At present there are 22 Churches that comprise the Catholic Church. The new Code of Canon Law, promulgated by Pope John Paul II, uses the phrase "autonomous ritual Churches" to describe these various Churches (canon 112). Each Church has its own hierarchy, spirituality, and theological perspective. Because of the particularities of history, there is only one Western Catholic Church, while there are 21 Eastern Catholic Churches. The Western Church, known officially as the Latin Church, is the largest of the Catholic Churches. It is immediately subject to the Roman Pontiff as Patriarch of the West. The Eastern Catholic Churches are each led by a Patriarch, Major Archbishop, or Metropolitan, who governs their Church together with a synod of bishops. Through the Congregation for Oriental Churches, the Roman Pontiff works to assure the health and well-being of the Eastern Catholic Churches.

While this diversity within the one Catholic Church can appear confusing at first, it in no way compromises the Church's unity. In a certain sense, it is a reflection of the mystery of the Trinity. Just as God is three Persons, yet one God, so the Church is 22 Churches, yet one Church.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church summarizes this nicely:

"From the beginning, this one Church has been marked by a great diversity which comes from both the variety of God's gifts and the diversity of those who receive them... Holding a rightful place in the communion of the Church there are also particular Churches that retain their own traditions. The great richness of such diversity is not opposed to the Church's unity" (CCC no. 814).

Although there are 22 Churches, there are only eight "Rites" that are used among them. A Rite is a "liturgical, theological, spiritual and disciplinary patrimony," (Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches, canon 28). "Rite" best refers to the liturgical and disciplinary traditions used in celebrating the sacraments. Many Eastern Catholic Churches use the same Rite, although they are distinct autonomous Churches. For example, the Ukrainian Catholic Church and the Melkite Catholic Church are distinct Churches with their own hierarchies. Yet they both use the Byzantine Rite.

To learn more about the "two lungs" of the Catholic Church, visit this link:

CATHOLIC RITES AND CHURCHES

The Vatican II Council declared that "all should realize it is of supreme importance to understand, venerate, preserve, and foster the exceedingly rich liturgical and spiritual heritage of the Eastern churches, in order faithfully to preserve the fullness of Christian tradition" (Unitatis Redintegrato, 15).

A Roman rite Catholic may attend any Eastern Catholic Liturgy and fulfill his or her obligations at any Eastern Catholic Parish. A Roman rite Catholic may join any Eastern Catholic Parish and receive any sacrament from an Eastern Catholic priest, since all belong to the Catholic Church as a whole. I am a Roman Catholic practicing my faith at a Maronite Catholic Church. Like the Chaldeans, the Maronites retain Aramaic for the Consecration. It is as close as one comes to being at the Last Supper.

He carries the same weigh in the Catholic Church as the rest.

He is the final arbitrer. As the Orthodox prefer to refer to him, "he is first among equals". He is the successor of St. Peter.

40 posted on 03/07/2010 2:31:58 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer; HarleyD; Marysecretary; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights

Whatever stick figures and cartoons you wish to draw here, let it be known that the believers in the grace of Jesus Christ, alone, need no affiliation with organizations of any type to be children of the King. The Lord of Heaven and Earth, the One True God of Israel has adopted us into the His family, not by our actions, behaviors, confessions, or even internal claims of faith, but rather because God, acting from all eternity past, laid hold of us and redeemed us according to His kind intentions. Such predestination and election is the message of the Bible, not this five-part club. You are welcome to parade it around, but at the judgment seat, the believers will be clothed in the righteousness of Christ...not their memberships.

Our faith and works proceeds from our rescue, not precedes our rescue. There is a mile between our theology and that of Rome’s...and we believe they are going to be weeping without end when this is over. Repent Rome, if you can.


41 posted on 03/07/2010 2:48:44 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
The adoration of men for men is a dead giveaway that the real Gospel has escaped notice.

Not for the Church. We hold St. Luke in the highest esteem that a man should be held. After all, he wrote one of the four Gospels. The Reformed are a rather nasty bunch, aren't they? Is there no beauty in their withered souls?

42 posted on 03/07/2010 2:55:46 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: HarleyD
So your dispute wouldn't be with us Protestants who do not share this linage belief. Rather it seems to me that there is a serious disconnect in the Catholic Church as to who exactly is in control.

Control? You mean who heads up the Church? Easy. Jesus Christ. The Alpha and Omega. The Chi Rho. Who heads up your church?

43 posted on 03/07/2010 2:57:46 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Iscool

INDEED.


44 posted on 03/07/2010 3:01:12 PM PST by Quix (THOSE who worked to land us here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: MarkBsnr
"The Reformed are a rather nasty bunch, aren't they? Is there no beauty in their withered souls?"

What beauty there is, is caused by Jesus Christ and Him crucified, buried, risen and ascended to heaven, sitting at the right hand of the Father of lights. Other than that...there is no self-created beauty. But, this one incredible fact makes our souls far from "withered". It has taught us, however, not to turn our affections upon each other, a sad trait engulfing Rome.

45 posted on 03/07/2010 3:03:21 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: NYer; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; hope; ...

It still boggles my mind that folks think the following nonsense has a shred of truth to it:

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Christ did not ask the other Eleven to feed and tend His sheep. If you read The Acts Of The Apostles, it is clear that St. Peter leads the Apostles. Therefore, since the Apostles are to be replaced as they die (Acts 1:20-26), then it follows that whoever succeed(s) St. Peter is leader of the Church.

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But then bureaucratic self-righteous power mongering tyrannical RELIGIOUS control was alive and well when Jesus walked dusty paths as well.


46 posted on 03/07/2010 3:07:59 PM PST by Quix (THOSE who worked to land us here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Dutchboy88

Hiscorically accurately,
Biblically accurately,

and well put.

Thx.


47 posted on 03/07/2010 3:09:00 PM PST by Quix (THOSE who worked to land us here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: NYer; Dutchboy88; Dr. Eckleburg
The Pope represents the Roman Catholic Church portion of the entire Catholic Church. -Not true!

This did not come from me. This came from some of the Roman Catholics. To be perfectly honest, I was a bit mystified by our discussion because I always thought that the Roman Catholic Church looked upon the Pope as the head of the ENTIRE Catholic Church. I now try to distinguish between Catholic Church and Roman Catholic Church.

He is the final arbitrer. As the Orthodox prefer to refer to him, "he is first among equals". He is the successor of St. Peter.

While I understand this comes from the Roman Catholic Church, I'm not sure the Orthodox would agree with this. They certainly don't agree with the filique in the Nicene Creed. They don't agree with some of the doctrines about Mary produced by the Roman Catholic Church and they certainly don't agree with the infallibility of the Pope. So how can the Pope be the final word?

48 posted on 03/07/2010 3:19:39 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: MarkBsnr
Control? You mean who heads up the Church? Easy. Jesus Christ.

Our Lord Jesus is the Great Shepherd who is head of all. Who comes next in that hierarchical structure and to what extent they have over your doctrine and your relationship to our Lord Jesus is opened for discussion.

49 posted on 03/07/2010 3:24:12 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
I always thought that the Roman Catholic Church looked upon the Pope as the head of the ENTIRE Catholic Church. I now try to distinguish between Catholic Church and Roman Catholic Church.

You are absolutely right! Perhaps you can now educate the Catholics on this matter ;-)

While I understand this comes from the Roman Catholic Church, I'm not sure the Orthodox would agree with this. They certainly don't agree with the filique in the Nicene Creed. They don't agree with some of the doctrines about Mary produced by the Roman Catholic Church and they certainly don't agree with the infallibility of the Pope. So how can the Pope be the final word?

The two churches were once one. Their division occurred nearly 1,000 years ago. The painstaking process of restoring unity is not something that can be accomplished overnight. However, progress is being made in that understanding.

From a 2007 Catholic News Service article:

Orthodox and Roman Catholics recognize that the bishop of Rome has primacy among all the world's bishops, although they disagree on the extent to which his leadership translates into a concrete exercise of authority.

Full text.

50 posted on 03/07/2010 3:30:05 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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