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Does JOB 40:41 speak about Dinosaurs?
Vanity | March 8th, 2010 | TaraP

Posted on 03/08/2010 6:27:24 PM PST by TaraP

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To: James C. Bennett

In your wildest dreams; pass the opium!


161 posted on 03/09/2010 10:54:45 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: James C. Bennett
"At that level of comparison, dinosaurs didn't have bones made of tubes of brass, either"

Wrong again.

There were a few threads earlier this year here discussing the fact that the bones of many of the dinos were essentially hard and hollow. (like a brass tube, wow!)

162 posted on 03/09/2010 10:57:22 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: editor-surveyor

It didn’t say “like”. The verses explicitly state bones made of brass. Look at it again.


163 posted on 03/09/2010 11:01:07 AM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: editor-surveyor
"18 His bones are tubes of bronze..."

Bronze, I meant.

164 posted on 03/09/2010 11:03:07 AM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: editor-surveyor
There are two species of elephant that are at this time widespread - the Indian elephant throughout temperate Asia as far west as Syria and the African elephant in regions north and south of the Sahara.

Elephants are not native to Arabia; the Syrian elephants were brought in from India as animals of war, and elephants were gone from Egypt well before the rise of the Egyptian empire (predating Job and Abraham).

I’ll try again.

An elephant’s tail is utterly incapable of moving like a cedar tree. It is capable of making curling movements, like a dogs tail, a snake, even a rope, but a tree? no.

I do believe you are completely wrong on this. In fact, here is a great video of an elephant's tail swinging like a swaying tree, not curling like a dog's tail or snake or rope.

In fact, I don't think an elephant's tail can curl like a dog or snake; I don't think they have the structure to allow curling (just like cows). Here's a great introduction on the physiology of elephants. The tail is part of the vertebrae and you'll see it's explicitly mentioned that the movement of the vertebrae is limited. An elephant's tail simply does not have the skeletal structure allowing it to curl like a snake or rope.

And the cedar in my front yard (about 110 feet tall) bends quite a bit when we get good stiff winds. As do the other firs and cedars around my house. They bend and sway like that video, and bend a lot. Cedar is actually a good wood for bending as it is soft and very wet and yields a lot before snapping (as opposed to hardwoods like oak and hickory).

In fact, cedar is one of the softest woods out there, used for canoe building and lots of other wood-bending projects because it is so soft and compliant. It takes no moisture to bend relatively thin strips of cedar, and with just the slightest amount of steaming you can bend some amazingly small radii.

165 posted on 03/09/2010 11:17:27 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: editor-surveyor; James C. Bennett
You’re interested only in ‘discussion’ that leads to diversion from the clear statements in God’s word.

And that CLEAR STATEMENT is that the tail MOVES like a cedar tree, not that the tail itself is like a cedar tree. Read the verse again, please:

Job 40:17a - He moveth his tail like a cedar

You're the one who ignores the clear statement in God's word. James' analogy was 100% correct and 100% topical. The tail moves like a cedar, the tail is NOT like a cedar except for how it moves.

166 posted on 03/09/2010 11:25:20 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: editor-surveyor
There were a few threads earlier this year here discussing the fact that the bones of many of the dinos were essentially hard and hollow. (like a brass tube, wow!)

Guess what - the bones of an elephant are also quite open and hollow. Source. The bones are perforated and open with channels, making them hollow.

167 posted on 03/09/2010 11:29:51 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

I reccomend a trip to the zoo for you!

You are so wrong about elephant tails its breathtaking!


168 posted on 03/09/2010 11:35:52 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: editor-surveyor

How so? You mean that they cannot swing like a tree? Is that a fake video that I posted, clearly showing an elephant’s tail swinging gently from side to side, like a tree in the breeze? Or will you admit your error in the face of video proof that your statement “they do not move like trees” is wrong?

As far as a zoo, no need to do so; I see them all the time in Thailand when I am there (2-3 times a year, for 1-2 weeks at a time - mainly in Chaiyaphum but a good amount of time in Chang Mai as well). I can’t rightly remember seeing their tails coiling like a snake or rope; they can bend pretty good, but forming complete coils? Don’t remember that...


169 posted on 03/09/2010 11:40:51 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: James C. Bennett
Who said that 6 days were needed?

God created (worked) for 6 days, and took the 7th off. Later, His instructions were to honor the Sabbath, as He had rested on the 7th, Himself.

The creation (work) was performed as an example for how we should conduct our lives--work for 6, rest on the seventh.

170 posted on 03/09/2010 12:02:39 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: TaraP
I think it was faulted out.

It's interesting that a woman's skeleton was found there too. It's thought that she was thrown in some 9,000 years ago. She evidently had a bad abscess in her teeth and some speculate that she may have been seen as demon haunted or such. I've heard her described as the oldest homicide on LA’s books.

There's a heck of a lot of petroleum still under LA. The Bigs passed on much of it, but some of the leases have been snapped up by small local firms and they're still producing. Go down Pico & La Cienega some time and check out some of the odder looking buildings. One looks like a church with a steeple at first glance, until you see it moving around. It's actually part of a rig servicing about 6 wells!

171 posted on 03/09/2010 12:09:38 PM PST by onedoug
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

You are insane!

Trees don’t grow upside down.


172 posted on 03/09/2010 12:31:21 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: editor-surveyor

Seriously? I mean, really, that’s how you’re going to back out and avoid admitting your error? Because something swaying gently back and forth, pinned to the top, is so radically different from something swaying back and forth pinned at the bottom that you cannot make any comparison whatsoever?

Enjoy... I cannot open your eyes for you...


173 posted on 03/09/2010 1:04:24 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

Thank you for admitting how absurd your upside down tree twist was.

God’s word works as written, and your desire to diminish it not withstanding.

There is no purpose to your manipulation, since the evidence that dinos recently died off is deep and broad in every culture on Earth.


174 posted on 03/09/2010 1:28:22 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: ShadowAce

A time-bound creation implies the creator was time-bound as well. What’s the need for a god-entity to rest, if not for it being time-bound?


175 posted on 03/09/2010 1:46:31 PM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett
A time-bound creation implies the creator was time-bound as well.

Nope. It doesn't. It merely says that was they way He chose to conduct it.

176 posted on 03/09/2010 1:48:50 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: James C. Bennett
So, if something is cold like a block of ice, is it a block of ice?

Sometimes my husband says my hands are like "meat hooks". :o)

177 posted on 03/09/2010 5:19:47 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: ShadowAce

But that doesn’t explain the need for rest.


178 posted on 03/09/2010 6:25:29 PM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett
It explains it perfectly. He didn't "need" rest--He rested because we need to rest. This was His example for us.
179 posted on 03/10/2010 5:09:26 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Why couldn’t a simple commandment be ordered, instead of personal demonstration? Not to mention the fact that it was the entity which rested, and not the entity demonstrating resting. There’s a big difference between the two.


180 posted on 03/10/2010 7:03:19 AM PST by James C. Bennett
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