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To: Belteshazzar

In what way are you confused?

Are you not believing the words of Christ?

**Five times in different verbal expressions, Jesus confirmed the reality of the meaning he intended. **


5 posted on 03/09/2010 10:05:31 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; Belteshazzar

No, I think Belteshazzar is lacking faith in the words of Jesus, just in the interpretational leap being made in this “Hermeneutical” endeavor.

Let me simplify things a bit:

What does mankind need to live? Food and drink.

Biblical translations use “bread” to mean a variety of things - from literal bread, to a generic term for food.

Jesus was clearly saying that HE was the ultimate nourishment (in a spiritual sense) for TRUE life that comes only through Jesus Christ.

The argument (and the purpose for this article) is to defend transubstantiation - the Catholic belief that the bread and the wine used in Communion are somehow miraculously transmogrified into the literal flesh and blood of Jesus Christ. This step is necessary then to justify the classification of Communion as a “sacrament” - one of the steps necessary for salvation.

Unfortunately, this then requires one to overlook the inconsistencies or worse - contradictions - that this sets up.

Matthew 26:26-28, Mark 14:22-24, Luke 22:19, 1 Corinthians 11:23-30 being the most obvious and cited examples.

There are many other inconsistencies - one that is glaring to me, and should be to others, is God’s prohibition against consuming blood (Leviticus 7), and in fact - Jewish traditions held the consumption of blood to be a pagan ritual.

Even more interesting - the predominant religion (official before being replaced by “Christianity”) practiced, particularly among the soldier class, in the Roman empire -the Cult of Mithras, practiced the eating of the flesh of sacrifice, and the drinking of the blood. The belief was that drinking the blood of the sacrifice granted eternal life. Sound familiar?

So - with this context in-hand (text without context is nothing but a pretext), we should see how the “Communion”/Lord’s Supper/Eucharist/Lord’s Table has evolved.

And lest we forget that the early history of the Catholic Church’s efforts to spread Christianity was through the sword and through the assimilation of local pagan religious practices into the regular practice of The Church.

But I know that I will get beat up over this post. God is not the author of confusion. Thus any interpretation or adding to God’s word that creates confusion or conflict with other portions of God’s Word cannot be of God.


6 posted on 03/09/2010 11:02:20 PM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: Salvation
In what way are you confused? Are you not believing the words of Christ? **Five times in different verbal expressions, Jesus confirmed the reality of the meaning he intended. **

OK, let's take these passages absolutely literally. Doing so, you come to the inescapable conclusion that eating His flesh and drinking His blood are acts that are both necessary and sufficient for salvation.

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20 posted on 03/10/2010 9:50:04 AM PST by armydoc
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