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Is Priestly Celibacy Psychologically Dangerous? (Catholic Caucus)
zna ^ | March 9, 2010 | Carmen Elena Villa

Posted on 03/10/2010 6:23:43 AM PST by NYer

ROME, MARCH 8, 2010 (Zenit.org).- Priestly celibacy is not psychologically dangerous, and in fact, sexual behavior based on "anything goes" is what is truly destructive to the personality.

This is the affirmation made by Dr. Aquilino Polaino Lorente, a physician and psychiatrist who teaches courses on psychopathology at the University of St. Paul in Madrid.

The psychiatrist -- best known for his work in children's and family psychology -- was a speaker at the two-day conference held last week at Rome's Pontifical University of the Holy Cross.

The conference, "Priestly Celibacy: Theology and Life," was sponsored by the Congregation for the Clergy as an event for the Year for Priests.

ZENIT spoke with Polaino about his view that a correct understanding of sexuality leads to a correct understanding of celibacy for the Kingdom of God.

ZENIT: Is priestly celibacy psychologically dangerous?
 
Polaino: It's not dangerous at all because perhaps it blends very well with what is the realistic anthropological structure of the human condition. Celibacy has its difficulties of course given that human nature is somewhat deteriorated and fallen and all the dimensions must be integrated.

It seems to me that open sexual behavior is more dangerous, not normative in that anything goes; I believe that has consequences that are more destructive of the personality than celibacy well lived in its fullness, without ruptures or breaks.
 
ZENIT: What does a priest need in order to be faithful to his vow of celibacy all the days of his life?
 
Polaino: The tradition of the Church has a multitude of counsels that can be put into practice and that are effective, for example, protecting one's heart and sight. What is not seen is not felt. Not that one must be looking at the ground; one can see without looking. This ensures the cleanliness of the heart and also the living of the first commandment which is to love God above all things. Flies do not enter a pressure cooker. A satisfied heart does not entertain stinginess or fragmentation.
 
ZENIT: Do you think that the hedonist culture of this new century, so widespread in the media, influences the fact that some priests are not faithful to their vow of celibacy?
 
Polaino: It's possible, because priests also have the frailty of the human condition. I think we must focus more on the huge number of priests faithful to their vocation. The exceptional also happens in priestly life but it is exceptional. Although periodically it might be very appropriate to address the exception, we cannot be blind to the immense majority of priests who are loyal, who live their vocation to the fullest, who are happy, to whom the world owes happiness. This must be emphasized.
 
ZENIT: Can a correct view of sexuality give a correct view of the celibate life?
 
Polaino: Yes. I believe sexuality today is a very confused function, it is a faculty about which there are more errors than points of agreement with what human nature is. And perhaps it is a program to teach and impart in all ages because as it is one of the fundamental pivots of human life, if it is not well looked after, if people are not well formed, what they will experience is the reigning confusion. This affects seminarians as well as young people and engaged couples about to be married. Today that education is an education for life. It is a subject that at times is badly taught because errors are taught and that means to confuse even more, instead of explaining the subject with a scientific rigor that is founded on human nature.
 
ZENIT: What does it mean that a priest is called to be a spiritual father?
 
Polaino: I believe that is one of the topics that has been least reflected upon. Spiritual paternity must also be lived by biological parents and many of them have never heard anything about this. Spiritual paternity is, in a certain way, to live all the works of mercy, to console the sad, to ransom the captive, to be hospitable, to affirm the other in his worth, to avoid creating problems for him and to encourage and motivate him so that he will grow personally, to stimulate the appearance of values that he already has because they came to him with his nature but perhaps he has been unable to identify them or make them grow. I think this world is an orphan of that spiritual paternity and maternity, and I think it is a dimension that the priest already lives without realizing it.
 
ZENIT: Can the celibate life make this spiritual paternity more fruitful?
 
Polaino: Necessarily yes because there is more time and more availability. If the final objective is union with God, spiritual paternity takes on greater meaning because it is the best image of the divine paternity in the contemporary world; hence [the celibate person] is like a mediator and to the degree that he lives the divine filiation, he will also lives spiritual paternity very well.


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: abstinence; anticatholic; catholicchurch; catholics; celibacy; culturewar; priesthood; sexpositiveagenda

1 posted on 03/10/2010 6:23:43 AM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
This is a Catholic Caucus thread. Thank you for respecting it.
2 posted on 03/10/2010 6:24:30 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: All
RELATED: Married Priests Will Always Be an Exception
3 posted on 03/10/2010 6:26:28 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

Clearly this very question is a direct attack on the celibacy rules for clergy in the Catholic Church. Why can’t people accept that rules are rules, and if you want to be a married priest, there are other ways to go about doing it (even within the Catholic Church!) without whining about the rules imposed by the Catholic Church.


5 posted on 03/10/2010 6:39:40 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: stuartcr

This is a Catholic Caucus thread. Are you a Catholic?


6 posted on 03/10/2010 6:41:36 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

That’s almost like asking if self-discipline is psychologically dangerous.

;-))


7 posted on 03/10/2010 6:45:09 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: pnh102
It's the sex positive agenda (which sees sexual pleasure as a birthright to be enjoyed by everyone at every age with no moral judgements regardless of the pairing) that drives this discussion. The proponents are decidedly anti-abstinence, not because it doesn't work (regardless of what they claim) but because they find it to be psychologically counter to their own hedonistic worldview.

This agenda is pushed globally by government institutions, schools, and radical feminists and socialists. And it is damaging to psychological wellbeing and society's stability.

Good to see someone picking up the counter argument.

8 posted on 03/10/2010 7:18:01 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: stuartcr; Religion Moderator

Catholic Caucus thread. Please see the title


9 posted on 03/10/2010 7:30:04 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

OK


10 posted on 03/10/2010 7:34:00 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: pnh102

Couldn’t agree more - it’s ALL about self-sacrifice, devotion to others, serving God through selflessness, etc - but OHHHH, in this pro-secular, “how can you give up SEX !?!” society, it’s implausible that ANYONE would deny themselves sexual pleasure...just doesn’t compute...myopic dopes!


11 posted on 03/10/2010 7:50:56 AM PST by matginzac
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To: NYer

I’m a Catholic who tries to obey all the rules. I think priests should too. I just don’t think there are that many celibate heterosexual men who can do the priestly job we want done.
I’d like to see that rule changed. I think other Christian religions have handled married clergy well. I wouldn’t want to see female priests if it meant they would be bringing modern Feminism into their sermons and remainder of their mission.


12 posted on 03/10/2010 8:00:56 AM PST by namvolunteer
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To: namvolunteer

I don’t think other Christian religions have necesarily handled married ministers well.

They divorce and remarry about as much as the regular population and that often tears up a congregation because they get too invested in the drama.

They seem to have much higher rates of pedophilia and queer behavior. Many of them cheat on their wives.

I’ll just give you my personal experience and I won’t bring up any of the other Protestant minister scandals that happened in this time span in my small town.

The first minister I remember was old (to me anyway). He was a wonderful married man and if they had children, they were grown. He obviously had a firm vocation and his wife was a dear.

The next one was married and had a teenage son who was horrible, he was always sexually harrassing girls and boys and it was all swept under the rug. He ended up marrying a divorced woman with 3 kids and sexually abused them all. The minister seemed to think of what he did as “just a job” and his wife was barely visible, I don’t even remember what she looked like.

The next was a man very gifted with words. He had studied the early fathers and was full of history and information but he had lost his faith in God and pushed secular humanism, once again the wife was completely in the background.

The next was a young couple, the wife wanted to be a diva. She sang soloes in the choir and they made you cry...not because of the beauty. She ran away with the choir director and left the minister with their 2 children.

That was pretty much where I got off and I can’t tell you much more except that the Methodist hierarchy started moving the ministers around faster because you can hide all that stuff better.


13 posted on 03/10/2010 8:28:48 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: tiki

Human failings, once again. We have an imperfect world because we are imperfect beings.
When I was a young adult, I worked in San Francisco for a short time and I commented about all the Southern accents among the flamboyant people and was told, “(A certain Christian religion) sends all their sons of a certain persuasion to San Francisco while the Catholics put theirs in the seminary.”
I think if priests were mostly hetero oriented there would be less tolerance within their ranks for the others.
I don’t have all the answers but I think we can answer the problem of not enough priests and the other problem of too many with short eyes by opening the ranks.


14 posted on 03/10/2010 8:56:27 AM PST by namvolunteer
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To: namvolunteer; tiki
I’d like to see that rule changed. I think other Christian religions have handled married clergy well.

Like you, I too am a Catholic - a Latin Rite (Roman) Catholic, but I practice my faith in a Maronite (Eastern Rite) Catholic Church. The Maronite Church has a Patriarch who also happens to be a Cardinal. Like most of the Eastern Catholic Church, the Maronite Church has married priests. In fact, my pastor's great grandfather was a married priest and served as the inspiration for his vocation. The only difference is that my pastor also chose the celibate life. He also chose to be bi-ritual (Maronite and Latin Rite). He was born in Lebanon and has his major degree in the ancient languages (Latin, Hebrew, Koine Greek and Aramaic). He is fluent in 8 languages and has traveled to South America and Europe.

My reason for giving you some background here is to demonstrate that he has experienced both ends of the spectrum. In 2005, the Holy Father convened a General Synod of Fathers at the Vatican. As often happens, the topic of priestly celibacy arose. It was the Patriarch of the Maronite Church who addresed the issue.


Mar Nasrallah Peter Cardinal Sfeir


Vatican City, Oct. 07, 2005 (CNA) - The Cardinal defended the practice of the celibate priesthood and discussed the beauty of the tradition, calling it the "most precious jewel in the treasury of the Catholic Church."

While pointing out that "the Maronite Church admits married priests" and that "half of our diocesan priests are married", the Cardinal Patriarch said that "it must be recognized that if admitting married men resolves one problem, it creates others just as serious."

"A married priest", he said, "has the duty to look after his wife and family, ensuring his children receive a good education and overseeing their entry into society. ... Another difficulty facing a married priest arises if he does not enjoy a good relationship with his parishioners; his bishop cannot transfer him because of the difficulty of transferring his whole family.

He noted that "married priests have perpetuated the faith among people whose difficult lives they shared, and without them this faith would no longer exist."

"On the other hand," he said, "celibacy is the most precious jewel in the treasury of the Catholic Church,"

Lamenting a culture which is all but outright opposed to purity, the Cardinal asked: "How can [celibacy] be conserved in an atmosphere laden with eroticism? Newspapers, Internet, billboards, shows, everything appears shameless and constantly offends the virtue of chastity."

Suggesting that there are no easy solutions to the problem of priest shortages in the Church--an oft brought up point during the Synod--he noted that, "Of course a priest, once ordained, can no longer get married. Sending priests to countries where they are lacking, taking them from a country that has many, is not the ideal solution if one bears in mind the question of tradition, customs and mentality. The problem remains."

The Patriarch's observations have been borne out by several former protestant ministers who converted to the Catholic Church and were accepted into the Catholic priesthood.

I wouldn’t want to see female priests if it meant they would be bringing modern Feminism into their sermons and remainder of their mission.

There will never be women priests in the Catholic Church. Jesus did not ordain any women. He selected all of his apostles, and none were women. No one, not even the pope, has the authority to change Christ's design of the priesthood. You can read more here.

15 posted on 03/10/2010 9:56:07 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer; tiki

Great post, as was Tiki’s.
I think my position is similar to some of the priests at the Synod, open to consideration of change and eager to hear others’ input.
Thank you both.


16 posted on 03/10/2010 10:08:58 AM PST by namvolunteer
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To: NYer

I don’t believe there are many practicing (as in really living the faith) Catholics who want married clergy. I think this idea of married clergy comes from fallen away Catholics, liberal Catholics, and cafeteria Catholics.

Good thing the Church is not a democracy.


17 posted on 03/10/2010 10:44:16 AM PST by Leoni
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To: Leoni

re: I think this idea of married clergy comes from fallen away Catholics, liberal Catholics, and cafeteria Catholics.

And of course non-Catholics!


18 posted on 03/10/2010 10:53:51 AM PST by Leoni
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To: namvolunteer
I don’t have all the answers but I think we can answer the problem of not enough priests and the other problem of too many with short eyes by opening the ranks.

A specious argument at best. If ordaining married men in the Latin Rite was the panacea that you claim it would be then there would no shortage of Priests or vocations in any of the 21 other Churches; that ordain as a norm married men, that, along with the Latin Rite, comprise the Catholic Church. That isn't the case. The Greek Orthodox Church, which also ordains married men, is also experiencing a shortage of Priests and vocations.

19 posted on 03/10/2010 11:27:41 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: NYer
I have known many priests in many different parishes in my lifetime. I can say that there have been only two about which I might have had any questions about their psychological makeup. I didn't get any 'wierd vibes' about the desire to abuse children or anything like that, they were just kind of eccentric. Most of the priests who were abusers of young men were described as gregarious, and the kids enjoyed being around him. These priests I knew weren't like that, they were the opposite, in that they tended to be more quiet and reserved.

The vast majority of priests I've known have been very down to earth men, and didn't seem to have any psychological problems. My brother-in-law is a priest, so I know about many of his priest friends, as well, and believe me they are ALL watchful for any wierdness on the part of their 'brothers'.

20 posted on 03/10/2010 11:49:46 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Nobody calls me specious and gets away with it. :)
Now I’ve got a Cardinal who agrees with me and he might wind up Pope.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2468857/posts
Best wishes


21 posted on 03/11/2010 10:30:55 AM PST by namvolunteer
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To: NYer

Uncoupling sex from reproduction has had many deleterious effects including the extreme rates of STD’s.

It hurts hedonist’s little heads to consider that one may voluntarily refrain from wallowing in sex.


22 posted on 03/11/2010 2:46:23 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: TASMANIANRED

You are absolutely right!


23 posted on 03/11/2010 3:10:56 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: namvolunteer
That Cardinal is a progressive of the worst order. Does not surprise me that he's for married priests.

The progressives (enemies within the Church) created the problem by rejecting the good MEN, and letting in all the liberals and homosexuals, which chased away any good men that passed the first step. They chased away altar boys (future priests?) and replaced them with girls and lay women. The whole purpose of the scheme, was precisely to create a priestly shortage, so they could bring in the married priest card, and then TOTALLY wipe out the priesthood.

Good Catholics get what they pray for. Catholics who are indifferent, CINO, and fallen away, get what they ask for. We have bad clergy today because that is what the majority of baptized Catholics wanted. They wanted priest that act like any lax Catholic layman, that are “birth control, no mass, no confession, you are all good, and going to heaven” priests. That;’s what they got! A punishment from God.

24 posted on 03/12/2010 9:49:40 AM PST by Leoni
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To: NYer

Saint John Eudes said that when God is angry with His people, He sends them bad priests as a chastisement.

Here is what he wrote in his book, The Priest, His Dignity and Obligations:

“The most evident mark of God’s anger and the most terrible castigation He can inflict upon the world are manifested when He permits His people to fall into the hands of clergy who are priests more in name than in deed, priests who practice the cruelty of ravening wolves rather than charity and affection of devoted shepherds ...
“When God permits such things, it is a very positive proof that He is thoroughly angry with His people, and is visiting His most dreadful anger upon them. That is why He cries unceasingly to Christians, ‘Return O ye revolting children ... and I will give you pastors according to My own heart’. (Jer. 3:14,15) Thus, irregularities in the lives of priests constitute a scourge upon the people in consequence of sin.”4
Saint John Eudes warns us that as punishment for man’s sins, God will send us priests who are not according to His own heart, who have a different spirit from that of the Sacred Heart of Our Lord, who have a different heart from that of Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart.


25 posted on 03/12/2010 10:01:33 AM PST by Leoni
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To: Leoni
Welcome to Free Republic and than you for that post!

I reside in a diocese shepherded for the past 30+ years by a very progressive bishop. Over the years, I have heard from several young men that they were turned down for the seminary because they did not support women's ordination. That's right ... that is one of the questions they were asked when they appeared before the diocesan board. Needless to say, the number of priests has dropped significantly (retirement and death). The bishop has now turned several parishes over to Lay Ecclesial leaders (usually women) and placed some of his remaining priests in cars to drive to those parishes during the week in order to consecrate a sufficient number of hosts for their weekend, priestless masses.

Several years ago, I began battling liturgical abuse in my parish. That priest wanted to introduce liturgical dance into his parish and asked the Director for Religious Education to find some volunteers among the Confirmation candidates ... my students. I confronted him on the issue, pointing out that liturgical dance was banned by the bishops. I eventually brought this to the bishop's attention. He sent it to the Director for Liturgy and Divine Worship, who wrote back in support of the priest. Undaunted, I wrote a 2nd time, quoting canon law. That ended the confrontation. Not surprisingly, there were other abuses. None of the other parishioners cared about them for fear they would lose their priest.

Eventually, I just could not take it anymore. I asked our Lord to guide me to "a holy priest, a reverent liturgy and a community in need of whatever my God-given gifts". That day I compiled a list of other parishes within a certain radius of home. At the recommendation of another freeper, I included 2 Eastern Catholic Churches. Each Sunday I would attend mass at a different RC parish, always repeating that prayer. Eventually, one of the Eastern (Maronite) Catholic Churches surfaced on the list. A bit nervous, I set off to experience that liturgy. While waiting for Mass to begin, I prayed the rosary and, once again, the prayer I had composed.

On that March 7th Sunday, exactly 6 years ago, I was moved to tears of joy by the beauty of their liturgy. When I left the church that day, I was enrobed in peace. The following Sunday, I had planned to continue with the list but opted to return to the Maronite Church. Once again, peace engulfed me. It was accompanied by a desire to help them build a bigger church. Over these past 6 years, I have been asked to join the women's sodality, the parish council, the centennial committee, and be the Director for Religious Education. Interestingly enough, the pastor had purchased a 160 year old, former Methodist/Episcopal Church and needed help in financing its restoration. I went through state programs to have the property recognized as a historic landmark and that qualified us to apply for a matching grant to restore the stained glass windows. More than 400 applications were submitted for only 16 grants. When the winners were announced, we were on the list!

I can't help but recognize how our Lord works through us to accomplish His plans. Sincerely seeking a new parish, I heeded His command: "Seek and you shall find; knock and it shall be opened to you". In praying for that much needed grant, I recalled the words of St. Paul: "If God is for you, who can be against you?".

In the midst of such a progressive diocese, a beacon of light shines. How grateful I am for God's gift in my life.

26 posted on 03/12/2010 11:41:16 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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