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To: wmfights; xone; Titanites
I don't see any evidence that Ambrose was a Christian prior to his baptism and his behavior following is mixed at best. and yet you said Not surprising coming from a man who went from being a pagan to a Bishop and then It can be claimed he came from a good Christian home --> you're putting your own sola interpretura on history.

And no, it's not a question of putting someone up on a pedestal -- YOU said he was a pagan because it was written that he got baptised as an adult. This despite being repeatedly told that he was born in a Christian family, that baptism was delayed by most until their adulthood or more likely until close to death to prevent their sinning after baptism.

It's not just the Apostolic Church (Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental, Assyrian) who practise infant baptism and have practised it since Apostolic times (as the quotes from Origen, Augustine, Cyprian etc. demonstrate), but also Anglicans, lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians.

Ambrose's baptism was not delayed because of the reasons baptists give but because Christians in the early centuries believed then as they do know that BAPTISM IS A SACRAMENT and they believed (erroneously) that they should delay it as long as possible to prevent sinning after baptism.
701 posted on 03/20/2010 11:31:22 AM PDT by Cronos (St. Ambrose -- elected by popular acclaim)
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To: Cronos; wmfights; xone; Titanites
It's not just the Apostolic Church (Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental, Assyrian) who practise infant baptism and have practised it since Apostolic times (as the quotes from Origen, Augustine, Cyprian etc. demonstrate), but also Anglicans, lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians.

Infant "baptism" (so-called) was not practiced in Apostlic times, period! It seems that you need some education in church history on this issue. Explain the catechumens in the first few centuries of Christianity! They sure weren't baptised (immersed) before they spent a long time as students learning of Christ and His sacrifice on the cross for us.

712 posted on 03/21/2010 2:12:15 PM PDT by Ken4TA
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