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To: Cvengr
2 Thess. 2:15
13But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you[b] to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth. 14He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings[c] we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
16May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope, 17encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word.
or 2 Tim. 3:14–15
But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it, and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus
This epistle, remember, is directed at Timothy. The scriptures in Timothy's time were the Jewish scriptures as much of the canon was not even written (Revelation and many Pauline epistles) and was definitely not collected. Paul tells Timothy to continue in what he has learned for two reasons: first, because he knows from whom he has learned it—Paul himself—and second, because he has been educated in the scriptures. The first of these is a direct appeal to apostolic tradition, the oral teaching which the apostle Paul had given Timothy. So you need to take 2 Timothy 3:16-17 out of context to arrive at the theory of sola scriptura. But when the passage is read in context, it becomes clear that it is teaching the importance of apostolic tradition.

This is far more apparent in 2 Tim. 2:2
What you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also
What has been taught from the Apostles is to be taught down to others.

Paul commends those who follow tradition in 1 Cor. 11:2
I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you
Jesus clearly does not condemn God given traditions as handed down to the Church by the Apostles but condemns human traditions of the Pharisees. He condemned traditions that contradicted scripture -- and no Church tradition does that.
739 posted on 03/22/2010 5:44:27 AM PDT by Cronos (Origen(200AD)"The Church received from theApostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants")
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To: Cronos

Thanks.

FWIW, this is probably why I am not a Roman Catholic.

The customs I observe them promoting are not in keeping with the tradition of the Apostles, but by continuing to take in the Word of God through Scripture I am able to maintain growing through the tradition of Paul. By attempting to pray to Mary, I find myself counterfeiting that which God has provided in Christ, so I turn away from such things.

I don’t know if God’s Plan calls for some to pray to Mary. I see good reason and many cases where believers shouldn’t do so in order to avoid placing something other than God before Him. It doesn’t for myself, so I find it much better to remain in faith through what He intends, though faith in Christ.


740 posted on 03/22/2010 6:52:07 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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