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NEW YORK TIMES TARGETS THE POPE AGAIN
Catholic League ^ | March 16, 2010 | William Donohue

Posted on 03/16/2010 7:25:56 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII

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To: kitkat
Am I the ONLY one who read a report in my local paper years ago that the psychiatrists told the Catholic church that pedophiles could be treated and cured,

No, you're not the only one who knows that. I know it, and a lot of other people who are interested in the truth know it.

People who blather about this topic, and are unaware of the facts you mentioned, tell us a lot about themselves. None of it is good.

61 posted on 03/16/2010 9:00:24 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: T Minus Four
But the REAL reason for the Catholic sex abuse scandal was that there was abuse, it was covered up, and then it was found out.

Facts will get you nowhere with them, they are too jaded by their faith to see the truth.

It would not shock me to see some of these folks look an abused child in the eye and tell them to "shut up" as they have here.
62 posted on 03/16/2010 9:00:49 AM PDT by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: Salvation
And you don’t think the NEA hushes up media on teacher offenses? LOL!

Do you? Are you ok with that? Are you claiming the NEA is a world power?

63 posted on 03/16/2010 9:01:27 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: T Minus Four

Dealing with sexual abuse is a responsibility that belongs to the Bishops, not the Vatican.


64 posted on 03/16/2010 9:02:01 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: MikeWUSAF

I stand with you my FRiend, and never back down from this cr@p. It’s disgusting.


65 posted on 03/16/2010 9:02:08 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: Pope Pius XII

And the Vatican never knows, is that your story?


66 posted on 03/16/2010 9:02:43 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: Natural Law

I think it was words spilling blood.


67 posted on 03/16/2010 9:02:56 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: Pope Pius XII

The only thing worse than a pedophile is a sytem that knows a man is one, and then gives him access to more children.


68 posted on 03/16/2010 9:04:53 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: Pope Pius XII
Dealing with sexual abuse is a responsibility that belongs to the Bishops, not the Vatican.

I don't get your point. Bishops are part of the mega-organization that is the Catholic Church. The internal rot was widespread.

69 posted on 03/16/2010 9:06:29 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: Pope Pius XII
Dealing with sexual abuse is a responsibility that belongs to the Bishops, not the Vatican.

First it was the psychiatrist's fault, now the Bishops...

Nothing is the Vatican's fault or responsibility, they are just there to handle tourists.
70 posted on 03/16/2010 9:08:22 AM PDT by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: T Minus Four
Benefit of the doubt? OK, YOU hire a pedophile who's been through pschotherapy to babysit your little boys. Judge not, ya know.!

But that's the point: NOW we know they cannot be cured. At least not through psychiatric treatment. Then, however, when they were being shuffled from parish to parish, the prevailing theory was that with the proper treatment, they could be cured.

This fact puts a whole new light on the popular notion of a "conspiracy" in the Church to "protect pedophiles".

Believe and/or disagree all you wish, but it's simply uncharitable to ascribe evil intentions to the bishops involved. It would be like saying, 20 years from now, if we ever discovered that playing card games somehow encouraged anti-social behavior, that all the bishops who reassigned priests who were obsessive card players, were involved in a massive "conspiracy to protect priests".

Which is more reasonable to believe: ( assuming one does not have an agenda against the Church in the first place) That the Church leadership was involved in an active conspiracy to protect their own at the expense of the laity, or that at the time, in a misguided and misinformed desire to help the priests, they referred them for psychiatric care, because AT THE TIME they thought such treatment would be effective?

I submit any reasonable person with no axe to grind against the Church would, and should, answer the latter.

71 posted on 03/16/2010 9:10:17 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: T Minus Four

You know, in this case, the cover-up is almost more vile than the crime considering who is facilitating the cover-up.

I have many family and friends who are Catholic. I don’t hate them or their faith. I do hate those who abused children and covered it up.

Personally, if I felt the way some of these folks do I would keep it to myself because aside from being wrong, it’s creepy.


72 posted on 03/16/2010 9:11:47 AM PDT by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: Pope Pius XII
"I think it was words spilling blood."

Nope. The word "blood" appears eight times in the canon law. Six times in the context of blood relatives and twice in the context of the blood of Christ.

73 posted on 03/16/2010 9:13:32 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
The founding principle of the Catholic Church is the redemptive powers of Christ. Through faith in Christ no sin is unforgivable and no sinner is beyond salvation. Those who claim to be Christian yet condemn the Church for practicing this faith are hypocrites.

What in incredible pile of steaming excrement. We're condemning the Catholic Church for practicing the concealment of crimes and allowing countless children and young men to having their lives ruined. Or is that your idea of "practicing this faith"

74 posted on 03/16/2010 9:14:12 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: FourtySeven
Believe and/or disagree all you wish, but it's simply uncharitable to ascribe evil intentions to the bishops involved. It would be like saying, 20 years from now, if we ever discovered that playing card games somehow encouraged anti-social behavior, that all the bishops who reassigned priests who were obsessive card players, were involved in a massive "conspiracy to protect priests".

20 years ago people knew that molesting children was wrong and it was covered up. Archbishops, including the pedophile protecting Daniel E. Pilarczyk, have admitted to said cover-ups.
75 posted on 03/16/2010 9:15:58 AM PDT by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: FourtySeven

You know, if it were just a few guys, just a few times, I could almost buy into this. But we know now that it was widespread, and there were many who recommitted and recommitted.


76 posted on 03/16/2010 9:16:32 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: Phillipian; MikeWUSAF; CholeraJoe; Pope Pius XII
Difficult situation:

(a)The NYT is anti-catholic. Rocket science, nor scientific literary analysis necessary. Ipso frickin'facto. res ipsa frickin' loquitur, etc. et frickin' cetera.

(b) The Holy Roman Catholic Church, the most visible multi-national, religious body in the Western World, is unfortunately infested with a large number of deviates, mostly of the homosexual, paedophilic variety. Ipso frickin' facto. res ipsa frickin'loquitur, etc. et frickin' cetera.

(c) The present Pope, is a splendid fellow. But, like every other pastor, bishop, archbishop, and cardinal in the outfit, he screwed up, probably more than once. For centuries now, the HRCC has been hushing this sort of thing up, shuffling the perverts around, putting them through penance, therapy, torture, imprisonment, sequestration in monasteries, death, etc. They have tried everything. Probably never did any good, except keeping it out of the papers, which in the olden days, no one could read anyway.

(d) Last hundred years or so, almost everybody can read. And, begininning in the 50s, due to a dearth of "vocations," the Holy Roman Catholic Church started admitting queers to the seminaries in ever greater numbers. Previously, a hint of lightness in the loafer was enough to send many a sweet boy packing. The new theory was, "What the Hell, they have to be celibate anyway, what's he difference if they are celibate queerly or heterosexually?"

Well, it's a bad theory, as pointed out by Tough Tony Bevilacqua, Archbishop of Philly. Unfortunately, The Holy Roman Catholic Church is paying for it now, bigtime. Guilty as charged, baby. Maybe that feel-good rabbi's next book should be, "When Bad Things Happen To A Good Church?"

In regard to Jewish perverts. Of course many a rabbi is a molester. But (a) there are fewer rabbis than priests and (b) last I checked, the Jews have no Pope, no Ruling Legal Authority. (c) No big time highly visible multi-national organization that's easy pickins for a nosy reporter. So, your Jews are less apt to make it to page 1 above the fold of the anti-catholic NYT than priests. If a rabbi-molester makes that paper at all, it's going to be in the classifieds, after "Livestock."

Did I mention that the NYT is anti-catholic? Always has been.
But this IS a Catholic problem. Now for the solution. This is a secular police matter. Call the cops. Arrest the pervert priests. Defrock'em immediately, Tie'm to stakes in front of the cathedrals and burn them. And the reporters of the NYT.

77 posted on 03/16/2010 9:18:04 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama? Definitely eligible to be Prime Minister of the UK.)
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To: Pope Pius XII
And my point is that the media, Protestants and whoever, love to use the sex abuse scandal as a way to say that priests should be married

Oh baloney. Out here in the real world, people know that a pedophile is completely different than a horny straight guy.

78 posted on 03/16/2010 9:18:06 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: FourtySeven
Believe and/or disagree all you wish, but it's simply uncharitable to ascribe evil intentions to the bishops involved. It would be like saying, 20 years from now, if we ever discovered that playing card games somehow encouraged anti-social behavior, that all the bishops who reassigned priests who were obsessive card players, were involved in a massive "conspiracy to protect priests".

I'm sorry, but that is the lamest analogy I have ever heard.

79 posted on 03/16/2010 9:19:19 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: FourtySeven

The Archdiocese of Boston secretly settled child sexual abuse claims against at least 70 priests from 1992 to 2002.
http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/stories/013102_priests.htm


80 posted on 03/16/2010 9:19:39 AM PDT by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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