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Catholic Caucus: CHA Board Bishop: 'I Side With USCCB' against Health Bill -- Your Life, Family, and Culture Outpost ^ | March 16, 2010 | By Kathleen Gilbert

Posted on 03/16/2010 4:38:58 PM PDT by topher

Tuesday March 16, 2010

CHA Board Bishop: 'I Side With USCCB' against Health Bill

By Kathleen Gilbert

ST. PETERSBURG, Florida, March 16, 2010 ( - Bishop Robert Lynch of St. Petersburg has stepped into the row between the Catholic Health Association (CHA), on whose board he is a member, and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), siding with the bishops in fighting the CHA-endorsed abortion-expanding Senate health care bill.

The CHA sparked controversy over the weekend by throwing its weight behind the vastly pro-abortion Senate health bill. CHA president Sr. Carol Keehan had issued a letter to lawmakers urging them to "move quickly to enact health care reform," and characterized the legislation as "a major first step" - despite not being "perfect" on life issues.

Days later, USCCB president Cardinal Francis George directly disagreed with CHA's assessment, affirming that the bill's flaws on life issues are "so fundamental that they vitiate the good that the bill intends to promote."

"As a member of the Board of the Catholic Health Association, I too want universal access to health care in this country to all our inhabitants," wrote Lynch, also a member of the USCCB, on his blog Tuesday. "But I do not wish it through a vehicle that expands abortion rights or weakens conscience clause protection.

"So I side with the USCCB on this one."

Lynch, who was recently hospitalized, noted: "During the time of my confinement, I have been led to believe that CHA and USCCB were working together to eliminate any language in the health care proposals which threatened the effectiveness of the long standing Hyde amendment."

While Lynch said CHA supported the Stupak language, which reflected the Hyde amendment in the House health care bill, he says the organization "prefers" the vastly more pro-abortion Senate version "as they deem it ultimately more successful, more efficient, and more effective than the House passed version."

Defending the bishops' condemnation of the Senate bill, Lynch said: "Were the bishops’ conference asking for new legislation, further tightening access to abortion or writing new abortion language law, it would have trouble. From the beginning the bishops have said only we must insure (sic) that we keep what we have."

"If this were a tennis match, it would not yet be 'game' but 'advantage bishops,'" said the bishop. "However, the game is still not over although it is approaching match point."

"I hope and pray that in these final decisive days, the Congress will see the wisdom of the Church’s position on abortion in health care as articulated by the bishops and the experience and wisdom of the Catholic Health Care providers who yearn for a reform of a system which is failing and becoming incredibly expensive – to maintain and to access," he wrote. 

Lynch ended by expressing hope that "both CHA and the USCCB can unite in general support" of health care reform with pro-life protection.


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TOPICS: Catholic
KEYWORDS: abortion; keehan; lynch; obamacare; prolife; sistercarol; stpetersburg; usccb
Sister Carol Keehan seems to be standing alone. This is one of the board members of the Catholic Health Association that is siding with the USCCB and against liberal Sister Carol...
1 posted on 03/16/2010 4:38:58 PM PDT by topher
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To: topher
yeah the Bishops are opposed, rightfully because of abortion funded by the bill.

but is would be nice if the Bishops also saw the freedom robbing aspect of socialism also.

2 posted on 03/16/2010 4:44:12 PM PDT by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: Vaquero

Or more serious knock-on effects that they ought to be caring about, such as the crippling of the availability and quality of health care in general — throughout the world.

3 posted on 03/16/2010 4:50:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Vaquero
"but is would be nice if the Bishops also saw the freedom robbing aspect of socialism also."

Anyone who examines the ideology of socialism will see the contrast between the socialist doctrine and the doctrine of the Church.

PIUS IX (1846-1878):

“Overthrow [of] the entire order of human affairs”

“You are aware indeed, that the goal of this most iniquitous plot is to drive people to overthrow the entire order of human affairs and to draw them over to the wicked theories of this Socialism and Communism, by confusing them with perverted teachings.” (Encyclical Nostis et Nobiscum, December 8, 1849)

LEO XIII (1878-1903):

Hideous monster

“...communism, socialism, nihilism, hideous deformities of the civil society of men and almost its ruin.” (Encyclical Diuturnum, June 29, 1881)

Ruin of all institutions

“... For, the fear of God and reverence for divine laws being taken away, the authority of rulers despised, sedition permitted and approved, and the popular passions urged on to lawlessness, with no restraint save that of punishment, a change and overthrow of all things will necessarily follow. Yea, this change and overthrow is deliberately planned and put forward by many associations of communists and socialists” (Encyclical Humanum Genus, April 20, 1884, n. 27).

A sect “that threatens civil society with destruction”

“…We speak of that sect of men who, under various and almost barbarous names, are called socialists, communists, or nihilists, and who, spread over all the world, and bound together by the closest ties in a wicked confederacy, no longer seek the shelter of secret meetings, but, openly and boldly marching forth in the light of day, strive to bring to a head what they have long been planning - the overthrow of all civil society whatsoever. Surely, these are they who, as the sacred Scriptures testify, ‘Defile the flesh, despise dominion and blaspheme majesty.’ (Jud. 8).” (Encyclical Quod Apostolici Muneris, December 28, 1878, n. 1)

Socialists debase the natural union of man and woman and assail the right of property

“They [socialists, communists, or nihilists] debase the natural union of man and woman, which is held sacred even among barbarous peoples; and its bond, by which the family is chiefly held together, they weaken, or even deliver up to lust. Lured, in fine, by the greed of present goods, which is ‘the root of all evils, which some coveting have erred from the faith’ (1 Tim. 6:10.3), they assail the right of property sanctioned by natural law; and by a scheme of horrible wickedness, while they seem desirous of caring for the needs and satisfying the desires of all men, they strive to seize and hold in common whatever has been acquired either by title of lawful inheritance, or by labor of brain and hands, or by thrift in one's mode of life.” (Encyclical Quod Apostolici Muneris, December 28, 1878, n. 1)

Destructive sect

“...socialists and members of other seditious societies, who labor unceasingly to destroy the State even to its foundations.” (Encyclical Libertas Praestantissimum, June 20, 1888)

Enemy of society and of Religion

“...there is need for a union of brave minds with all the resources they can command. The harvest of misery is before our eyes, and the dreadful projects of the most disastrous national upheavals are threatening us from the growing power of the socialistic movement. They have insidiously worked their way into the very heart of the community, and in the darkness of their secret gatherings, and in the open light of day, in their writings and their harangues, they are urging the masses onward to sedition; they fling aside religious discipline; they scorn duties; they clamor only for rights; they are working incessantly on the multitudes of the needy which daily grow greater, and which, because of their poverty are easily deluded and led into error. It is equally the concern of the State and of religion, and all good men should deem it a sacred duty to preserve and guard both in the honor which is their due.” (Encyclical Graves de Communi Re, January 18, 1901, n. 21)

SAINT PIUS X (1903-1914):

The dream of re-shaping society will bring socialism

“But stranger still, alarming and saddening at the same time, are the audacity and frivolity of men who call themselves Catholics and dream of re-shaping society under such conditions, and of establishing on earth, over and beyond the pale of the Catholic Church, ‘the reign of love and justice’ ... What are they going to produce? ... A mere verbal and chimerical construction in which we shall see, glowing in a jumble, and in seductive confusion, the words Liberty, Justice, Fraternity, Love, Equality, and human exultation, all resting upon an ill-understood human dignity. It will be a tumultuous agitation, sterile for the end proposed, but which will benefit the less Utopian exploiters of the people. Yes, we can truly say that the Sillon, its eyes fixed on a chimera, brings Socialism in its train.” (Apostolic Letter Notre Charge Apostolique ["Our Apostolic Mandate"] to the French Bishops, August 15, 1910, condemning the movement Le Sillon)

BENEDICT XV (1914-1922):

The condemnation of socialism should never be forgotten

“It is not our intention here to repeat the arguments which clearly expose the errors of Socialism and of similar doctrines. Our predecessor, Leo XIII, most wisely did so in truly memorable Encyclicals; and you, Venerable Brethren, will take the greatest care that those grave precepts are never forgotten, but that whenever circumstances call for it, they should be clearly expounded and inculcated in Catholic associations and congresses, in sermons and in the Catholic press.” (Encyclical Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum, November 1, 1914, n. 13)

PIUS XI (1922-1939):

Socialism, fundamentally contrary to Christian truth

“... For Socialism, which could then be termed almost a single system and which maintained definite teachings reduced into one body of doctrine, has since then split chiefly into two sections, often opposing each other and even bitterly hostile, without either one however abandoning a position fundamentally contrary to Christian truth that was characteristic of Socialism.” (Encyclical Quadragesimo Anno, May 15, 1931, n. 111)

Socialism cannot be reconciled with Catholic Doctrine

“But what if Socialism has really been so tempered and modified as to the class struggle and private ownership that there is in it no longer anything to be censured on these points? Has it thereby renounced its contradictory nature to the Christian religion? This is the question that holds many minds in suspense. And numerous are the Catholics who, although they clearly understand that Christian principles can never be abandoned or diminished seem to turn their eyes to the Holy See and earnestly beseech Us to decide whether this form of Socialism has so far recovered from false doctrines that it can be accepted without the sacrifice of any Christian principle and in a certain sense be baptized. That We, in keeping with Our fatherly solicitude, may answer their petitions, We make this pronouncement: Whether considered as a doctrine, or an historical fact, or a movement, Socialism, if it remains truly Socialism, even after it has yielded to truth and justice on the points which we have mentioned, cannot be reconciled with the teachings of the Catholic Church because its concept of society itself is utterly foreign to Christian truth.” (Ibid. n. 117)

Catholic Socialism, a contradiction

“[Socialism] is based nevertheless on a theory of human society peculiar to itself and irreconcilable with true Christianity. Religious socialism, Christian socialism, are contradictory terms; no one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist.” (Ibid. n. 120)

PIUS XII (1939-1958):

The Church will fight to the end, in defense of supreme values threatened by socialism “[The Church undertook] the protection of the individual and the family against a current threatening to bring about a total socialization which in the end would make the specter of the 'Leviathan' become a shocking reality. The Church will fight this battle to the end, for it is a question of supreme values: the dignity of man and the salvation of souls." (“Radio message to the Katholikentag of Vienna,” September 14, 1952 in Discorsi e Radiomessaggi, vol. XIV, p. 314)

The state can not be regarded as being above all

"To consider the State as something ultimate to which everything else should be subordinated and directed, cannot fail to harm the true and lasting prosperity of nations." (Encyclical Summi Pontificatus, October 20, 1939, n. 60)

JOHN XXIII (1958-1963):

“No Catholic could subscribe even to moderate socialism”

“Pope Pius XI further emphasized the fundamental opposition between Communism and Christianity, and made it clear that no Catholic could subscribe even to moderate Socialism. The reason is that Socialism is founded on a doctrine of human society which is bounded by time and takes no account of any objective other than that of material well-being. Since, therefore, it proposes a form of social organization which aims solely at production, it places too severe a restraint on human liberty, at the same time flouting the true notion of social authority.” (Encyclical Mater et Magistra, May 15, 1961, n. 34)

PAUL VI (1963-1978):

Too often Christians tend to idealize socialism

“Too often Christians attracted by socialism tend to idealize it in terms which, apart from anything else, are very general: a will for justice, solidarity and equality. They refuse to recognize the limitations of the historical socialist movements, which remain conditioned by the ideologies from which they originated.” (Apostolic Letter Octogesima Adveniens, May 14, 1971, n. 31)

JOHN PAUL II (1978-2005):

Socialism: Danger of a “simple and radical solution”

“It may seem surprising that ‘socialism’ appeared at the beginning of the Pope's critique of solutions to the ‘question of the working class’ at a time when ‘socialism’ was not yet in the form of a strong and powerful State, with all the resources which that implies, as was later to happen. However, he correctly judged the danger posed to the masses by the attractive presentation of this simple and radical solution to the ‘question of the working class.’" (Encyclical Centesimus Annus − On the 100th anniversary of Pope Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum, May 1, 1991, n. 12)

Fundamental error of socialism: A mistaken conception of the person

“Continuing our reflections, ... we have to add that the fundamental error of socialism is anthropological in nature. Socialism considers the individual person simply as an element, a molecule within the social organism, so that the good of the individual is completely subordinated to the functioning of the socio-economic mechanism. Socialism likewise maintains that the good of the individual can be realized without reference to his free choice, to the unique and exclusive responsibility which he exercises in the face of good or evil. Man is thus reduced to a series of social relationships, and the concept of the person as the autonomous subject of moral decision disappears, the very subject whose decisions build the social order. From this mistaken conception of the person there arise both a distortion of law, which defines the sphere of the exercise of freedom, and an opposition to private property.” (Ibid, n. 13)

BENEDICT XVI (2005 - present):

“We do not need a State which regulates and controls everything”

“The State which would provide everything, absorbing everything into itself, would ultimately become a mere bureaucracy incapable of guaranteeing the very thing which the suffering person − every person − needs: namely, loving personal concern. We do not need a State which regulates and controls everything, but a State which, in accordance with the principle of subsidiarity, generously acknowledges and supports initiatives arising from the different social forces and combines spontaneity with closeness to those in need. … In the end, the claim that just social structures would make works of charity superfluous masks a materialist conception of man: the mistaken notion that man can live ‘by bread alone’ (Mt 4:4; cf. Dt 8:3) − a conviction that demeans man and ultimately disregards all that is specifically human.” (Encyclical Deus Caritas Est, December 25, 2005, n. 28)

4 posted on 03/16/2010 5:29:52 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

So they’ve thought about this issue enough to know the folly of Bummer type socialism. Seeing them get off the dime to do something is another matter. I cringe at this “compromise” and I’m not even a Roman Catholic.

5 posted on 03/16/2010 5:32:45 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: topher

**Days later, USCCB president Cardinal Francis George directly disagreed with CHA’s assessment, affirming that the bill’s flaws on life issues are “so fundamental that they vitiate the good that the bill intends to promote.”**

Thank you, Francis Cardinal George.

6 posted on 03/16/2010 5:41:17 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

This comment is welcome and is better than nothing, but it would be even nicer if the good Cardinal would point out other serious humanitarian problems that would come to pass even if the abortion advocacy and funding could be plucked out of the bill. Doctors are going to shrug like Atlas because the wastefulness of government taking over the system makes it difficult or impossible to earn a living wage. Many could do better as veterinarians (did you know a CAT scan for a dog is far easier to acquire in Canada than the same for a human baby?)

7 posted on 03/16/2010 6:13:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Sam Miller, a prominent Cleveland Jewish businessman (NOT a Catholic) in a speech March 6, 2008 said:

Why would newspapers carry on a vendetta on one of the most important institutions that we have today in the United States , namely the Catholic Church?

Do you know - the Catholic Church educates 2.6 million students everyday at the cost to your Church of 10 billion dollars, and a savings on the other hand to the American taxpayer of 18 billion dollars. Your graduates go on to graduate studies at the rate of 92%, all at a cost to you. To the rest of the Americans it's free.

The Church has 230 colleges and universities in the U.S. with an enrollment of 700,000 students.

The Catholic Church has a non-profit hospital system of 637 hospitals, which account for hospital treatment of 1 out of every 5 people - not just Catholics - in the United States today.

But the press is vindictive and trying to totally denigrate in every way the Catholic Church in this country. They have blamed the disease of pedophilia on the Catholic Church, which is as irresponsible as blaming adultery on the institution of marriage.

Let me give you some figures that you as Catholics should know and remember. For example, 12% of the 300 Protestant clergy surveyed admitted to sexual intercourse with a parishioner; 38% acknowledged other inappropriate sexual contact in a study by the United Methodist Church , 41.8 %of clergywomen reported unwanted sexual behavior; 17% of laywomen have been sexually harassed. 10% of the Protestant ministers have been found guilty of pedophilia. Meanwhile, 1.7% of the Catholic clergy has been found guilty of pedophilia.

This is not a Catholic Problem.

A study of American priests showed that most are happy in the priesthood and find it even better than they had expected, and that most, if given the choice, would choose to be priests again in face of all this obnoxious PR the church has been receiving.

The Catholic Church is bleeding from self-inflicted wounds. The agony that Catholics have felt and suffered is not necessarily the fault of the Church. You have been hurt by a small number of wayward priests that have probably been totally weeded out by now.

Walk with your shoulders high and you head higher. Be a proud member of the most important non-governmental agency in the United States.

Then remember what Jeremiah said:
"Stand by the roads, and look and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is and walk in it, and find rest for your souls'. Be proud to speak up for your faith with pride and reverence and learn what your Church does for all other religions. Be proud that you're a Catholic."

Reprinted excerpts with permission of the Buckeye Bulletin - courtesy of: Brookside Council #3297, Cleveland Diocese.

8 posted on 03/17/2010 2:33:20 AM PDT by mgist
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To: mgist

Alas, that’s how this kind of comment is taken too often, i.e. as a generic bash on the Roman Catholics. OK so they do wonderful things around the world. Applause. I ask them only don’t collude in mucking up our country by winking at destructive schemes of a Democrat Congress that whatever they actually believe boasts of having a lot of Catholics in it. Thank you. Redneck.

9 posted on 03/17/2010 2:39:10 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Natural Law
its like a constant dichotomy with these Popes....

you have your Papal statements but there are always these.

“the most cruel and concrete sign of poverty,” Pope Benedict XVI today told a special summit of the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization that “opulence and waste are no longer acceptable when the tragedy of hunger is assuming ever greater proportions.”

The pontiff called for urgent action to combat world hunger, to protect the global environment and to rethink lifestyle choices in the West in his address to the Food and Agriculture Organization, which is based in Rome.

Ratzinger (which I say with respect as a Catholic, as I generally like the guy) has to realize that if you legislate these things it is socialism....

10 posted on 03/17/2010 4:13:46 AM PDT by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: Vaquero
"but there are always these."

Tell me how the advocacy for the poor, as exemplified in the quotes you posted, is contrary to either Christian or free market values and is anything other than a call to charity.

11 posted on 03/17/2010 7:42:47 AM PDT by Natural Law
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