Skip to comments.Catholic Nuns Endorse Obamacare?
Posted on 03/17/2010 11:03:24 AM PDT by marcbold
This is awful. Nuns gone wild. The AP reports:
Catholic nuns are urging Congress to pass President Barack Obama's health care plan, in an unusual public break with bishops who say it would subsidize abortion.
Some 60 leaders of religious orders representing 59,000 Catholic nuns Wednesday sent lawmakers a letter urging them to pass the Senate health care bill. It contains restrictions on abortion funding that the bishops say don't go far enough.
The letter says that "despite false claims to the contrary, the Senate bill will not provide taxpayer funding for elective abortions." The letter says the legislation also will help support pregnant women and "this is the real pro-life stance." More to come. Check back soon.
This kind of thing will almost certainly confuse many Catholics. Methinks the Dems have had this in their pocket for a while and are now attempting to create momentum. This comes on the heels of Catholic congressman Dale Kildee's official endorsement today and the Catholic Health Association endorsing Obamacare.
What really kills me is that the bill clearly funds abortion. Do they really think that if they lie openly enough and loudly enough that everyone will simply accept it.
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This article-— and the AP source article -— doesn’t say who it is. LCWR?
I forwarded a link to this article to the Archdiocese of Galveston, stating it is urgent! I smell a D’rat on this one!
The Catholic Religious have bought into liberal fascim hook, line and sinker save for a few. Social Justice is their new religion mixed together with a sprinkling of Gaia Worship just to save the earth...
“Catholic Nuns declare Christ never really existed”.
Christians Rip Glenn Beck Over ‘Social Justice’ Slam
Right-Wing Host Conflates Christian ‘Social Justice’ With Nazism, Communism
By HANNA SIEGEL
March 12, 2010
Glenn Beck has stirred the pot again, but President Obama can rest easy for a few days because he was not the central target this time.
Backers of the concept of Christian “social justice,” however, were not so lucky. Beck compared it to communism and Nazism — and at least one religious leader is calling for Christians to stop watching the conservative broadcaster, radio host and best-selling author.
On his radio and television shows, Beck suggested any church promoting “social justice” or “economic justice” merely was using code words for Nazism and communism.
“I beg you look for the words social justice or economic justice on your church Web site,” he said. “If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. ... Am I advising people to leave their church? Yes! If they’re going to Jeremiah Wright’s church, yes!
(today’s nuns seem to be mainly well-behaved Marxist lesbian revolutionaries)
The average American has a good opinion of Nuns, and wouldn't think they would lie. Nuns weren't caught up in the sex scandals like Priests.
I support churches paying property taxes to fund gov't programs that churches demand from government.
OK if we get Obama Care then all those Catholic hospitals will have to close (as if so many haven’t closed already). For all its stances on abortion and other issues, the RC Church is rather socialistic in its attitudes such as labor, economy, immigration etc. I belive abortion is murder,but I think the RC church has gone awry in its socialistic attitudes on so many other things.
Mother Theresa must be rolling in her grave.
Lets see........they do not show the letter, do not tell which group these so called nuns belong to, who their leaders are....does not pass the smell test...sounds like a lie to me
The State which would provide everything, absorbing everything into itself, would ultimately become a mere bureaucracy incapable of guaranteeing the very thing which the suffering person − every person − needs: namely, loving personal concern.
"We do not need a State which regulates and controls everything, but a State which, in accordance with the principle of subsidiarity, generously acknowledges and supports initiatives arising from the different social forces and combines spontaneity with closeness to those in need.
"In the end, the claim that just social structures would make works of charity superfluous masks a materialist conception of man: the mistaken notion that man can live by bread alone (Mt 4:4; cf. Dt 8:3) − a conviction that demeans man and ultimately disregards all that is specifically human. (Encyclical Deus Caritas Est, December 25, 2005, n. 28)
That's just a sample --- I could cut-and-paste pages, but that's not needed --- and these quotes are fully representative of the teaching of every Pope (you can click this) ---since +Pius IX, whose mid-19th century writings against socialism were contemporaneous with the publication of the works of Karl Marx.
It is not the Popes who should be faulted for not teaching, it is the U.S. Catholic Bishops who should be faulted for not teaching; and the efffectively-apostate religious orders faulted for not listening. (The U.S. bishops are notably negligent on a number of canonical duties, including Canon 915--- but that's a topic for another day!) (God save all sinners, including that unworthy meddlesome biddy known as Mrs. Don-o.)
Their problem, if I, though myself negligent, may sound a precise note of judgment here, is in their lack of fidelity to the teachings of the Church --- their failure to act like Catholics.
Are these real nuns or the angry radical feminist or lesbian type that don’t care about what the church stands for?
Communist Baloney Service (CBS News) is saying the same thing. This so-called "report" is notable primarily for its utter lack of specificity. WHO ARE these "some 60 leaders"? What order(s) or organsiation(s) thereof, if any, do they represent? What is the actual content of this supposed letter?
Inquiring minds want to know. Brainless dolts just lap up the MSM swill without a moment's critical thought.
Are these real nuns or the angry radical feminist or lesbian type that don’t care about what the church stands for?
I'm glad to see somebody else with his brain turned "on".
Names of the sisters please, so we can take action!
That’s why Pope Benedict and his teams are not scrutinizing Catholic convents.
I’m not defending the nuns in any way at all. There are many who are liberal and need to be listed as so.
For an inkling of the magnitude of this problem go the Our Lady’s Warriors and check on dissent and then speakers. Lots of nun’s names on there.
Defeat Obamacare call list: List now contains the new MAYBES culled from FR posts. Be sure to call KNOWN RINOS too.THEY ARE ANSWERING THEIR LOCAL NUMBERS
Here is one of the ones Rush gave out on the radio that Im calling. So far its been busy but Im going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!
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The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obamas announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the fixer bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.
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On the Bubble (Major developments from the yes and no columns in the House)
Congressional Dems on Twitter
And here are toll-free numbers we can use to call any Senators or Reps.
At the first number below you must wait through a tape recording urging you to tell your Rep or Senator to vote yes for the health care bill. Just hang on and when the recording is over, you will get the Capitol operator. Just ask for your Rep or Senators office. Then you will either talk to an aid or have the chance to leave a message for him/her to vote NO on the health care bill.
When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senators office. Every time I use this number I get the Rep or Senators answer machine, so it may be set up that way all the time...to go to their answer machine. Either way you can leave a message to vote NO on the health care bill!
We need to use these toll free numbers that have been set up for the health care/ BO supporters and illegals to use! After all they are FREE!
1-800-828-0498 , 1-866-220-0044, 1-866-338-1015, 877-851-6437, 877-210-5351
No, only a deviant few hold these positions, but unfortunately they are the only ones discussed by the MSM and the only ones cited by the various anti-Catholic groups and individuals who lurk here on FR.
--- it wasn't even LCWR: it was Network---
they "represent" umpty-ten-thousands of nuns like I represent the Chancery Office of the Archdiocese of Umlaut.
God help me, I hate the lying Associated Press and all their makeshift, malformed, malicious media allies.
Here's their "board and staff" ... note the lack of habits.
Looks like the angry radical feminist lesbian type. I think some of the creatures in that picture might be "men".
Do we have a list of all diocese we can contact through email or by phone on this?
Bart Stupak said this morning the HC bill allows federal funding on two different pages. Like page 200 something and one other but I was half asleep.
Regardless, there will be funding and we will all pay even if they do the fancy financing trick of separating federal with private premiums.
Comment on page.
I saw this. It is being headed by Sister Carol Keenan, aka “Half my brain is a clinking cash register”.
The so called not for profit catholic healthcare hospital groups are all profit. It is a big scam and they send millions of dollars a year to offshore accounts. Their local hospitals plead poverty, while the systems (Sisters of Charity Leavenworth, Catholic Healthcare West, etc) brag about how much money they make.
I need more on “network” to fight this. Who are they and what?
Obama and Reid is mandating insurance companies pay for abortions and use private citizens pay to circumvent the Hyde amendment.
Page 2069 through Page 2078 of the Senate-passed bill. It says, "If a qualified plan provides [abortion] coverage the issuer of the plan shall not use any amount attributable to [health reform's government-funding mechanisms] for purposes of paying for such services."
(This is on Page 2072.) That seems pretty straightforward. No government funding for abortions. (Except in the case of rape, incest, or a threat to the mother's lifethe same exceptions granted under current law.) If a health insurer selling through the exchanges wishes to offer abortion coveragethe federal government may not require it to do so, and the state where the exchange is located may (the bill states) pass a law forbidding it to do sothen the insurer must collect from each enrollee (regardless of sex or age) a separate payment to cover abortion. The insurer must keep this pool of money separate to ensure it won't be commingled with so much as a nickel of government subsidy. (This is on Pages 2072-2074.)
Anyone who enrolls through the exchange in a health plan that covers abortions must pay a nominal sum (defined on Page 125 of the bill as not less than "$1 per enrollee, per month") into the specially segregated abortion fund. (Under the Senate bill, every insurance exchange must offer at least one abortion-free health plan.)
They have no canonical status (which is to say, they are a private, incorporated, political lobbying group, not a structure of the Catholic Church) and, while they may have a huge mailing list --- who knows? --- that includes me (I have gotten their mailings over the years) and many others who are NOT dues-paying members, not nuns, not even necessarily Catholics, let alone a formal constituency whose opinions they "represent."
There can be no doubt that they reflect the politics many ---- way too many --- dissident convents, e.g. the ones who are coldly and defiantly refusing even to answer simple questionnaires from legitimate Church authorities.
It's going to get worse before it gets better.
I don't know whether to express sorrow, outrage, or pity.
Their website says it all.PROGRESSIVE!
Pope ought to Excommunicate each and every one of them, they can then join the unemployment line.
This is from a 2007 contact list of congressional aides. Some might not be there any longer, but worth a try.
Contact congressional aides.
U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121
U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121
White House comments: (202) 456-1111
Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep
Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Toll free to the US Senate:
1-800-882-2005. (Spanish number)
1-800-417-7666. (English number)
Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!
Seems like the USCCB has been very solid on Healthcare and the abortion provisions it currently contains...
Some 60 leaders of religious orders representing 59,000 Catholic nuns Wednesday sent lawmakers a letter urging them to pass the Senate health care bill.
Maybe these 59,000 nuns should elect 60 new leaders, and retire the existing 60...
But that is something you probably already new.
I just wanted to spell this out for others to read about this group.
Maybe we should build some TREE HOUSES for them to live in.
It's Saint Patrick's day, and I needed to use the Color Green for something.
I don't think Saint Patrick would think much of these folks (Network).
Oh they admit He existed allright. But just ask them what role He plays in the economy of salvation.
It appears it was the LCWR who signed this. THe Network just brought it to the press’s attention.
Catholic Nuns declare Christ never really existed.
Why not? That's what they've been saying about Adam and Eve for decades.
Vultures, I think ... with apologies to actual vultures. I certainly mean no offense to my fellow Avian-Americans.
Just like the “Nuns for Choice” bunch — Bride of Christ, they dare to wear His ring. He’s going to have a loooooong chat with these women when their time is due.
Right, because money is fungible, and you CAN'T separate funding, it's all just accounting gimmickry -- unless there is specific language that bans federal funding of elective abortion, since it is a legal procedure, those of us taxpayers with a conscience, know that the womb holds life, we will be forced to facilitate terminating that life. That language has to be a part of the appropriations bill(s), not just in the authorization bill(s).
Oh yeah I know they are two faces on the same coin.
Yes, the popes have been adamantly against out and out godless Marxism, but see nothing wrong in a nanny state.....as long as the Church is allowed to function.
USCCB News Release
March 18, 2010
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
WashingtonA recent letter from Network, a social justice lobby of sisters, grossly overstated whom they represent in a letter to Congress that was also released to media.
Networks letter, about health care reform, was signed by a few dozen people, and despite what Network said, they do not come anywhere near representing 59,000 American sisters.
The letter had 55 signatories, some individuals, some groups of three to five persons. One endorser signed twice.
There are 793 religious communities in the United States.
The math is clear. Network is far off the mark.
Sister Mary Ann Walsh
Director of Media Relations
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
This is largely the fault of our media, which is looking for good news for democrats, and will report press releases as if they are truth.
Plus, the 2000 years of Nuns as trusted servants of the Lord kind of makes people believe them when they say things — in this case we learned that some Nuns can lie for political gain.