Skip to comments.The Truth Still Tying Its Shoes: How the ObamaNation Uses Its Pet Pseudo-Catholics [Catholic Caucus]
Posted on 03/19/2010 12:48:03 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
Dear Bishop Stika.
Is this another case of "A lie can run around the world while the Truth is still tying its shoes"?
White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs posts "Catholic approval" and hundreds of people instantly retweet it as if it's true. The whole website becomes a tweetfest about Catholics approving the Senate Health Care Reform.
PressSec Post: Another very important health care development - Catholics back health bill
Instantly, Gibbs has tons of support. Its as if the flood gates open.
Google reports almost 12,000 results (pages and sites) for keywords "59,000 nuns health care"
And then ...the USCCB issues ....a press release! (How many people saw this? Dozens, do you think?)
March 18, 2010
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
WashingtonA recent letter from Network, a social justice lobby of sisters, grossly overstated whom they represent in a letter to Congress that was also released to media.
Networks letter, about health care reform, was signed by a few dozen people, and despite what Network said, they do not come anywhere near representing 59,000 American sisters.
The letter had 55 signatories, some individuals, some groups of three to five persons. One endorser signed twice.
There are 793 religious communities in the United States.
The math is clear. Network is far off the mark.
Sister Mary Ann Walsh
Director of Media Relations, USCCB
The game so far:
The Senate bill contains protections neither for life nor for conscience.
The Federal Government--- without reference to "Sanctity of Life" or "Conscience" ---becomes the by-far dominant (if not sole) definer of healthcare, regulator of healthcare, and funding mechanism for healthcare.
(Not to mention that the Federal Government becomes the sole provider of student loans to college and university students. This is in the Health Care bill. Did you happen to notice that?)
So, what are the chances that Church-related people and institutions will not be suborned as dispensers of contraceptives, sterilization, abortion, infanticide, lab-based reproductive technologies, gay employment/benefits affirmative action, gender-reassignment jiggery-pokery, embryo-chopping research, assisted suicide, and terminal sedation?
What are the chances that Catholic Hospitals, Clinics, Counseling Services, Nursing Programs, Medical Schools and the like, will be able to maintain any moral autonomy or ethical integrity?
Reference slang dictionary: snowball, hell.
Is this the end of the great work accomplished over the last century and a half by our great Catholic Saints in America --- Elizabeth Seton, Frances Xavier Cabrini, Katherine Drexel, John Neumann, the Mother-Foundresses and the Builder-Bishops?
Is this the Kulturkampf gearing up to take over--- co-opt, usurp, absorb --- all our Church institutions, with a not-insignificant fraction of the "Church institutions" (including certain departments of the USCCB) signaling, "Come and get it"?
Please, somebody, tell me I'm wrong.
- St. Elizabeth Ann Seton, pray for us.
- St. John Neumann, pray for us.
- Blessed Kateri Tekakwitha, pray for us.
- St. Peter Claver, pray for us.
- St. Frances Xavier Cabrini, pray for us.
- Blessed André Bessette, pray for us.
- Blessed Marianne Cope, pray for us.
- St. Katherine Drexel, pray for us.
- Blessed Damien of Molokai, pray for us.
- Ss. Isaac Jogues, Rene Goupil, Jean de Brébeuf, and Companions, pray for us.
- All you American Saints and Servants of God, pray for us.
- St. Joseph, guardian of the household of the Lord, pray for us.
Non-Catholics, please pray with us and for us, for our Church and our nation.
I made this a "Catholic Caucus" in order to bar those who want to hijack this thread and turn it into an anti-Church controversy opportunity. However, non-Catholics who wish to make constructive comments are welcome, in charity and truth, to do so.
As a Catholic, I would gratefully appreciate prayer on behalf of the defenders of Catholic faith and morals. I also appreciate insights on how we ALL can fight the wolves-in-sheeps'-clothing (and wolves in shepherds' clothing) in ALL of our respective church communities.
Constructive prayer and action comments only, please.
Joining you in prayer.
It is sad that so many would just keep repeating it and go ‘ok, we can support that’ without actually looking into the claim of support.
PRAYER TO SAINT JUDE
O most holy apostle, St. Jude, faithful servant and friend of Jesus — People honor and invoke you universally, as the patron of hopeless cases, of things almost despaired of. Pray for me, for I am so helpless and alone. Please help to bring me visible and speedy assistance. Come to my assistance in this great need that I may receive the consolation and help of heaven in all my necessities, tribulations, and sufferings, particularly (state your request) and that I may praise God with you always. I promise, O blessed St. Jude, to be ever mindful of this great favor, to always honor you as my special and powerful patron, and to gratefully encourage devotion to you by publishing this request. Amen.
It will take many lifetimes to rid us of their influence.
There are many bishops who are not communists, and others who are straddling the fence ... Your prayers, and your expressed encouragement, may be the deciding factor in spurring them on to do their jobs as Christian leaders.
Good post, Mrs. Dono. Thanks for the ping. Prayers for divine help during this trying time for our country.
I wonder if the bulletin insert will be in the bulletins this weekend, and if that will be too late if the vote is on Sunday. I wonder the % of parishes that had the insert in their bulletin or heard about the bill from their priest last weekend.
Another metaphor might be Judas goats. In any case, our local faith community, it's sad to say, has a few of those.
I am starting to think I am for abortion, but only in cases of Democrat parents.
So many things to prayer for, so little time.
Lord help us!
Prayers going up for the Catholic Church to stand firm for truth.
This administration and its supporters are nothing but unscrupulous scum.
Prayers are on the way.
St. Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
and do thou,
O Prince of the heavenly hosts,
by the power of God,
thrust into hell Satan,
and all the evil spirits,
who prowl about the world
seeking the ruin of souls. Amen..
“I am starting to think I am for abortion, but only in cases of Democrat parents.
Though I lean libertarian, an individual mandate to require abortions for such parents might well be in order. Since the ends apparently justify the means for this crowd, they should raise no objections to a tactic used to protect the freedoms of everyone else.
I join you in prayer.
May a non-Catholic suggest that the best thing the Bishops could now do is to show up at the protest demonstrations that I hear are being hastily called for tomorrow? Show up bearing the staff that they are supposed to carry for a reason.
For some reason, Dylan’s “All Along the Watchtower” is playing in my head.
Thanks for the ping!
The time has definitely come for all to hold their church leaders feet to the Biblical fire. If they feel the heat, they will take less license.
I’ve never seen a bishop do that, except maybe for an illegal immigrant rally. But I agree that they should.
I pray that God will give us the wisdom that we seem not to possess and the ability to do His will. I fear for my country.
"Let me repeat in the clearest words in my disposal. I would restate our thesis in two propositions. Proposition #1 There is no stopping abortion without an ocean of grace from Jesus Christ. No way will human means stop abortion. #2 The principle source of this grace is the Holy Eucharist." [emphasis; mine] Fr. Hardon also puts great emphasis on Reconciliation at the link ...Pray to kill the bill/save the babies
This matter [is] by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
Without doubt. It is a gift of the spirit, and known as "a word of wisdom." They just pop out of people's mouths when they are needed.
Lord...let the blind see, and the deaf hear...let the world see your power and grace.
Amen. Gonna hit the rosary in a few minutes...At the very least it will calm me...
Joining in prayer...
St. Jude is the Patron Saint of HOPELESS CAUSES and THINGS DESPAIRED OF!!! PRAY PEOPLE, PRAY!!
Mrs D these groups were started during the 60-70’s Womens lib, radical welfare rights groups. The Church took no action then and they have festered under the surface for decades. They NOW feel embolden to show their TRUE nature.
They never disdavowed abortion forcefully.
Here's a prayer to Saint Joseph that my daughter gave me when I bought my own business a little while ago:
Prayer to St. Joseph for Employment
Dear Saint Joseph, you were yourself once faced with the with the responsibility of providing the necessities of life for Jesus and Mary. Look down with fatherly compassion upon me in my anxiety with my present inability to support my family.
Please help me find gainful employment very soon, so that this great burden of concern will be lifted from my heart and that I am soon able to provide for those whom God has entrusted to my care.
Help me to guard against discouragement, so that I may emerge from this trial spiritually enriched and with even greater blessings from God. Amen.
Every literate person has the ability to know right from wrong. Prayers won't help these people. Being judged by their maker, will.
You have to read this on Pelosi and her speech this morning. Beware, some rough language.
Joining in prayer to defeat this evil.
The Cavuto nun is uninformed imo.
The radicalized nuns likely haven't ever watched EWTN. I'm a Lutheran and I watch EWTN. EWTN's in Alabama with their news bureau in D.C.
Oh that goes without saying. They also managed to get the Habits removed.
So the NUNS could fit in with the groups.
People think groups like this are just an annoyance. Surprise.
EWTN is very calming, I love to watch it.
For those who don’t like links. I think anchoress just put into words what we all feel about Pelosi.
Pelosi Doesnt Know from St. Joseph
Friday, March 19, 2010, 2:41 PM
Pelosi Doesnt Know from St. Joseph
Friday, March 19, 2010, 2:41 PM
Im sorry. Almost nothing that has come from this womans mouth has infuriated me like this.
This woman is a profound grotesque who gets virtually everything wrong here, from what feastday it is, to the kinds of Catholic religious sisters supporting her monsters bastard of a bill.
Note, because it is important in the face of her stupidity, her mendacity, her slander and her willingness to use any-and-all means to achieve her ends, the Catholic sisters who vehemently oppose this health care bill, and are not considered news-worthy by the media, or relevant by this glammed-up guttersnipe, Pelosi.
First off, Nancy, this is not the feastday of St. Joseph the Worker. That feast day is May 1, and it is a simple (and optional) memorial. TODAY is the Solemnity of St. Joseph, in his role as the Husband of the Blessed Virgin Mary and Provider and Guardian for the Child Jesus. A solemnity is not an optional feastday, and Pelosi, who was educated by religious sisters and went to a Catholic college, should know that.
Her ignorance is almost sublime. Italian Americans certainly do honor St. Joseph, but they do not pray to him. They ask him to pray for them, before the Throne of his most holy and almighty step-son, the Christ.
It is highly doubtful that St. Joseph, who was faced with an unimaginable event, one fraught with challenges, things unknown, social questions, difficulties and sacrifice, would be a happy endorser of a life-affirming health care bill that includes the federal-funding of abortions, sterilizations, contraception undoubtedly, down the road- euthanasia.
In her upside-down world, Pelosi may think that this monstrosity she is laboring so mightily to deliver is life-affirming; that is because she is -like so many of her generation- unable to imagine life after her own. It takes a my life right now is more important than any future life mentality to be this committed to abortion, and to insuring that every means of preventing or ending life, at every stage, is introduced into the public mind as a Godly and enviable thing. It takes a mind that willfully misunderstand the nature of both light and life, as taught by the Church she professes to love, to stand there with a smug, unicorns and rainbows demeanor and spout these deceitful platitudes that are not grounded in any sort of reality.
I am disgusted to see this woman -in the same remarks where she sullies a Catholic saint and thumbs her nose at Catholic understanding, to then giddily talk about how she and her cohorts have deployed children children as young as six, talking about what health care means to them as propaganda shields.
This video makes me want to vomit. I try not to hate anyone, but this woman is tempting me mightily.
After all of that -and in a direct attempt to smackdown the Catholic bishops who rightly oppose this bill- the Pelosi ends with yet another slander of all Catholic religious woman, with the assistance (it must be admitted) of a few perpetually adolescent useful idiots who, as I said yesterday, delight in poking into the eyes of authoritative teaching. Not only does Pelosi exaggerate the number of religious women who support this bill, she frankly lies when she says that just about every order you can think of wants to pass this life-affirming legislation.
What an abominable woman; what a power-mad, ruthless, mendacious grotesque she is.
I have always argued against knee-jerk excommunications, and when Pelosi visited the Pope I suggested Catholics calm down and let the slow wheels turn, but this astonishing display has me almost choking with disgust and rage.
The Church scandalizes itself often; it is an imperfect institution where holiness and evil are activated against one another, and the battle is profound. Understanding that, one tends to the long view, and so when individual Catholics screw up and bring scandal, I am mindful of the fact that I too am a Catholic who -in my own way- can and do bring scandal to others. I understand that in my rage right now, I am probably scandalizing someone who thinks I should be more tolerant of an opposing view so I dont particularly believe I am called to inventory the soul of another.
However, it is one thing for a Catholic to be publicly misguided, misinformed, socially maladjusted or even stupid. Its quite another -and to my way of thinking, a genuinely evil thing- for Catholics to put on a cloak of moral authority by virtue of their church membership, and proceed to spin their deceitful webs while mindfully exploiting her greatest saints and teachings for the expressed (and unbelievably sleazy) promulgation of their legislative propaganda.
This goes beyond being a faulty human Catholic; it goes beyond being mistaken. It goes beyond arguing in good faith. What the Pelosi did today is a declaration that this woman is not averse to using methods of pure disorientation, to achieve her ends.
I am no authority. I cannot go so far as some in my email wish me to, and suggest that this is a woman who is actually manifesting diabolical disorientation in the world.
But right now, Nancy Pelosi has actually made me scream in horror, at her words. I know I should pray for her. I know I should. I know if I cannot, then my own soul is at risk.
I will pray for her. Maybe by nightfall Ill be able to manage it. In the meantime, please pray for me, also, that I might settle down and embrace charity and open my heart to the Light of Christ. I dont like feeling this way about anyone.
But first, I must scream a little more, and swallow back the bile, at the absolute horror she is become, and that she spews from her mouth.
Archbishop Chaput: The Captivity of Catholic Witness:
. . . supporters of health care reform at any cost, facts dont seem to matter when a coveted goal seems within reach. The American bishops have repeatedly shown their support for good healthcare reform. Theyve worked tirelessly and honestly for more than seven months to help craft acceptable legislation. But theyve also shownand posted readily on the webhow and why the current Senate version of reform fails in at least three vital areas: abortion and its public funding; conscience protections for medical professionals and institutions; and the inclusion of immigrants. Congressional leaders have no one to blame but themselves for the opposition theyve had to face. . . . If the defective Senate version of health-care reform pushed by congressional leaders passes into lawagainst the will of the American people and burdened by serious moral problems in its contentwell have Catholic voices partly to thank for it. And to hold responsible.
I am beginning to appreciate the imprecatory psalms. Not that U can pray them in full; I dare not, they scare me; I am aware of my own sin, and that my anger is at least in part unrighteous, and would lead me into sin of my own.)
The Church never uses these particular psalms liturgically: I think, perhaps, for that reason.
But if you can offer everything to the Lord, including anger, to be transformed by Him, then you can pray this against Pelosi's wickedness, that she may be freed from it, though not against her personally. Or perhaps I had better say, pray against the demon that has fastened onto her.
Do you rulers indeed speak justly?
Do you judge uprightly among men?
No, in your heart you devise injustice,
and your hands mete out violence on the earth.
Their venom is like the venom of a snake.
Break the teeth in their mouths, O God;
Tear out, O LORD, the fangs of the lions!
Like a slug melting away as it moves along,
like a stillborn child, may they not see the sun.
Then men will say, Surely the righteous still are rewarded;
Surely there is a God who judges the earth.
Don’t the bishops/cardinals/Rome.. someone in authority .. have the power to tell these organizations they are to remove the word ‘Catholic’ from their names? And, if they can tell any individual priest he cannot serve as an elected Representative, can’t they tell those small groups/orders, they are not to intimate in any way that speak for or represent the view of the Church?
What th;ey are doing is nothing short of a hijacking the power, authority, goodwill of the Church itself for their own purposes and political agenda which is totally opposite that of the Church itself.
I mean, not that “I” can pray them. Not “U”! Though maybe “U” shouldn’t pray them either, if you’re a sinner like me!
However, the bishops are not as powerless as they suppose. [Link] Leander Perez of New Orleans was excommunicated by Archbishop Rummel for less than this.
LOL, I know. I think Pelosi knows Christians are taught to hold their tongue when angry and no one will say anything. This is how she comes off to people,She-devil. I am proud of anchoress and the multiple other links on that page of people who feel the same or worse.
People need to know dems are using lies to pass HCR with abortion paid for. Someone said today the health clinics Obama is building with tax funds will do the abortions for free.
Well, I get the ‘catholic’ as a word that could be appropriated as was ‘quaker’ for the oats .. but
These groups ARE connected to the RCC, which has a little more power over them than the Quakers have over General Mills. I think the leftist in the Church would accept an excommunication sooner than losing a major political battle.
Thank you for your prayers. This evil must be stopped.
Lord we come to you with all the trust that no man or evil being will harm Your Church. Lord please protect all of Yours against false shepherds and fill us with the Grace to withstand the ugliness of the world!
In Jesus name, we pray!
I hope we keep this thread going with prayer through tomorrow.
It will be nice to see the prayers while in DC.
We need to attack this evil with every tool we have.