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Catholic Sex Abuse Scandal: Time to Sack Trendy Bishops and Restore The Faith
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 3/22/10 | Gerald Warner

Posted on 03/22/2010 8:13:14 AM PDT by marshmallow

It has become fashionable to claim that the sex abuse scandal currently afflicting the Catholic Church is “its biggest crisis since the Reformation”. Oh, really? Tell me about it. The abuse issue is just a small part of the much larger crisis that has engulfed the Church since the Second Vatican Catastrophe and which is more serious than the Reformation.

Abolish clerical celibacy? The last thing a priest abusing altar boys needs or wants is a wife. There is no compulsory celibacy in the Church of England, but that has not prevented vicars and boy scouts furnishing gratifying amounts of copy to the tabloid Sunday papers for the past century. Celibacy goes against the grain of today’s “unrepressed”, “non-judgemental”, let-it-all-hang-out attitude to sex; its continued existence is a reproach to the hedonist Western world; so Rome must be persuaded to abolish it – likewise its condemnation of divorce, abortion, contraception, homosexuality and all the other fetishes of liberal society. Dream on, secularists.

“Irish abuse victims disappointed by Pope’s letter.” Of course they are. They were disappointed by it before they had read it, before it was even written. Any other response would diminish the power they find themselves wielding against the Church. Have they a legitimate grievance? In most cases, yes. They have a ferocious grievance against the “filth” (Benedict XVI’s term, long before he came under public pressure) who defiled them and treated them like animals.

How could clergy transgress so gravely against the doctrines of the Church? What doctrines? These offences took place in the wake of Vatican II, when doctrines were being thrown out like so much lumber. These offenders were the children of Paul VI and “aggiornamento”. Once you have debauched the Mystical Body of Christ, defiling altar boys comes easily.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: b16; benedict; benedictxvi; bxvi; catholic; pedophilepriests; pedophiles; pope; priests; ratzinger; scandal
In the period when this abuse was rampant, there was just one mortal sin in the Catholic Church: daring to celebrate or attend the Latin Tridentine Mass. A priest raping altar boys would be moved to another parish; as for a priest who had the temerity to celebrate the Old Mass – his feet would not touch the ground.

I don't agree with everything which Warner says but the above certainly caught my attention.

1 posted on 03/22/2010 8:13:14 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

The most probable pedophiles in order are:

Fathers
Teachers
Coaches
Protestant ministers

Priests are way down on the list.

So if a Father is a teacher of mid-high history, coaches the girl’s basketball team and is a youth minister at his church on weekends/Sundays — watch out! He would be much more prone to pedophilia that any priest.

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church


2 posted on 03/22/2010 8:17:43 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
The most probable pedophiles in order are:

Fathers

Teachers

Coaches

Protestant ministers

Priests are way down on the list.

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Bears repeating.

3 posted on 03/22/2010 8:22:36 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: marshmallow
Should bishops be forced to resign? Oh yes – approximately 95 per cent of them worldwide. These clowns in their pseudo-ethnic mitres and polyester vestments with faux-naïve Christian symbols, spouting their ecumaniac episcobabble

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Benedict XVI should take advantage of a popular wave of revulsion against the failed episcopate to sack every 1960s flared-trousered hippy

Wow. That's great.

Too bad it'll never happen.

4 posted on 03/22/2010 8:25:33 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hinneh, 'Anokhi sholeach lakhem 'et 'Eliyyah HaNavi'; lifney bo' yom HaShem hagadol vehanora'!)
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To: Salvation

Exactly!!!

This has been a thinly veiled, Anti-Catholic attack from Progressives.

By the way....on your list, didn’t Democrat office holders make the top 5?


5 posted on 03/22/2010 8:27:03 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Salvation
1 Timothy 4:1-6

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

6 posted on 03/22/2010 8:28:49 AM PDT by arturo ("A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it." - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Rational Thought

Could have. I have recalled it from memory from a lot of study that I have done. I used to be involved in the child care industry — so I knew the facts.

I’d had to do some more research of current statistics.

Usually sexual abusers are not strangers — they are people children know — such as those mentioned in my list.


7 posted on 03/22/2010 8:34:15 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: trisham

Thanks.


8 posted on 03/22/2010 8:34:50 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Thanks for posting the truth. It’s not that often that we see it here on the RForum regarding this issue.


9 posted on 03/22/2010 8:36:51 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: marshmallow
Why am I not surprised when there's a new scandal about the Catholic Church just when the House is working to pass a bill that, whatever they may say, will end up funding abortion with your tax dollars whether you like it or not?

This is like the dems screening their flank, although few democrats even try to live up to their Catholic commitment, you never know but what one of them will have one of those crazy religious moments at just the wrong time, so here's a scandal that shows not even bishops or priests live up to their Christian commitments so why should any demos?

Regards

10 posted on 03/22/2010 8:49:25 AM PDT by Rashputin
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To: trisham

Well balanced article. Liberalism seeped into the Church just as has occured in the American body politic and without the strong leadership in Rome, dissenters took over from Cardinals and Bishops down to religious groups. Time to weed them out.


11 posted on 03/22/2010 9:12:42 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

But it will — time will take care of it, no matter what the Pope does.


12 posted on 03/22/2010 9:51:17 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Campion
But it will — time will take care of it, no matter what the Pope does.

And they'll be replaced with men just like them.

13 posted on 03/22/2010 9:55:09 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hinneh, 'Anokhi sholeach lakhem 'et 'Eliyyah HaNavi'; lifney bo' yom HaShem hagadol vehanora'!)
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To: Steelfish
Liberalism seeped into the Church just as has occured in the American body politic and without the strong leadership in Rome, dissenters took over from Cardinals and Bishops down to religious groups. Time to weed them out.

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Quite right. It may be that the current political situation has emboldened these misfits, which is why they seem to everywhere in the news recently.

14 posted on 03/22/2010 10:08:00 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Salvation

Male homosexuals want to have sex with adolescent boys. Keep them away, period. (Keep crazy women away, too.)


15 posted on 03/22/2010 10:37:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Mother of your new alien overlords. You want to be on my good side.)
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To: Tax-chick

More than a few of those “crazy women” appear to be homosexual as well. Imho.


16 posted on 03/22/2010 10:40:33 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Certainly they’re ugly.


17 posted on 03/22/2010 10:41:27 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Mother of your new alien overlords. You want to be on my good side.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
And they'll be replaced with men just like them.

But that's just it -- they won't, because liberal Catholicism doesn't produce vocations to the priesthood. It's sterile and lifeless.

No liberal priests means no liberal bishops down the line.

18 posted on 03/22/2010 1:25:01 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Campion
But that's just it -- they won't, because liberal Catholicism doesn't produce vocations to the priesthood. It's sterile and lifeless.

No liberal priests means no liberal bishops down the line.

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Well said.

19 posted on 03/22/2010 1:26:43 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Campion
But that's just it -- they won't, because liberal Catholicism doesn't produce vocations to the priesthood. It's sterile and lifeless.

No liberal priests means no liberal bishops down the line.

I'd say "we'll see," but neither one of us is likely to live long enough to do so.

20 posted on 03/22/2010 1:28:16 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hinneh, 'Anokhi sholeach lakhem 'et 'Eliyyah HaNavi'; lifney bo' yom HaShem hagadol vehanora'!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Oh, it’s already under way. Find ten young priests and see how orthodox they are. Find ten dissenters and compute their average age.


21 posted on 03/22/2010 2:36:51 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Salvation

if you include pedophiles who go after girls, the main abusers are mom’s most recent boyfriend or stepdad, not fathers.

fathers do the most “physical” abuse, but I’ve only seen one case of sexual abuse by dad to boys..girls yes, but not boys.


22 posted on 03/22/2010 7:42:38 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Campion

and no liberal “sisters” either.


23 posted on 03/22/2010 7:43:50 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: LadyDoc
You are correct-- I came across that it this article from Dream Catchers

Dreamcatcher's Website is copyrighted -- The Child Abuse Crisis

24 posted on 03/22/2010 7:47:52 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: LadyDoc
I also found this.

http://www.baltimorecountymd.gov/Agencies/police/community/abuse.html

 

Facts About Child Abuse

Injured teddy bear.

  • 84 percent of prison inmates were abused as children.
  • One in three girls and one in five boys are sexually abused by an adult at some time during childhood. (Most sexual abusers are someone in the family or someone the child knows, not the proverbial stranger with a lollipop.)
  • Families with four or more children have higher rates of abuse and neglect, especially if their living conditions are crowded or they live in isolated areas.
  • More than 80 percent of abusers are a parent or someone close to a child. Child abuse is far more likely to occur in the child's home than in a day care center.
  • One in thirteen kids with a parent on drugs is physically abused regularly. (Drug and alcohol abuse in the family makes child abuse about twice as likely.)
  • One out of ten babies born today are born to mothers who are abusing drugs. Drinking and smoking heavily during pregnancy also endangers the health of unborn children.

25 posted on 03/22/2010 7:48:51 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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