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"Now there is a loss of trust in the church..."
Beliefnet ^ | March 23, 2010 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 03/23/2010 3:45:22 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 03/23/2010 3:45:22 PM PDT by NYer
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Catholic Church

With one central authority figure, the Catholic Church is now on the radar screen for all the media and journalists.

2 posted on 03/23/2010 3:47:37 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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Many Germans find the Vatican's demand of priestly celibacy completely alien, and we recognize it as a historical, rather than holy, tradition, going back to a decree by Pope Benedict VIII in 1022. Indeed, in a poll conducted last week, 87 percent of Germans said that celibacy is no longer appropriate.

Rome better listen and change -sarc

3 posted on 03/23/2010 3:51:19 PM PDT by frogjerk
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Like Americans, Germans have already had to cope with a general loss of trust in public institutions. First there were the bankers, with their insane bets and bonuses. Then the politicians, who couldn't stop the bankers. Now there is a loss of trust in the church.

The author lost me with this paragraph. It re-inforces the propaganda that a free market is bad. The author is qualified to discuss the church and its member lack of trust in the church. To somehow link how Americans feel about the church/gov't/bankers with how Germans feel about their institutions is ludicrous.

Write about what you know...and NO MORE.

4 posted on 03/23/2010 3:52:23 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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“...Indeed, in a poll conducted last week, 87 percent of Germans said that celibacy is no longer appropriate...”

I can only offer my own observations from extensive travels in Southeast Asia and meeting various Germans - not only do they not believe celibacy is appropriate, they are trying to prove that the exact opposite is true!


5 posted on 03/23/2010 3:52:48 PM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded, my brains fell out.)
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How can they lose what they never had?


6 posted on 03/23/2010 3:53:15 PM PDT by Tax-chick (It's a jungle out there, kiddies. Have a very fruitful day.)
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Voluntary lack of sexual relations with women makes men pederasts. Makes sense to me - rolls eyes.


7 posted on 03/23/2010 3:53:34 PM PDT by frogjerk
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Why Benedict, why now? I feel that the Catholic Church is going to face a MASSIVE hit from liberals. They have to destroy the church to promote their agenda. I see it in my dear elderly friends who align themselves with the worst leftists thinking they are following peace-loving Jesus. Dupe the weak.


8 posted on 03/23/2010 3:56:55 PM PDT by NoExpectations
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I don’t get that either. How does free enterprise relate to this issue? Not at all, imho.


9 posted on 03/23/2010 3:57:16 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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One question I have: Are priests allowed or encouraged to masturbate? I only ask this because if godly sexual relations with a woman are not allowed, is anything allowed that is sexual for priests? And, if not, does the Catholic church have any priests that have had their testicles removed to help further curb desire?


10 posted on 03/23/2010 3:57:28 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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You gotta love pollsters. Only about 7% of Germans go to church, but 87% of them have an opinionn on the way priests live their lives.

Typical.

11 posted on 03/23/2010 3:59:29 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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12 posted on 03/23/2010 3:59:42 PM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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Well, I’m no Roman Catholic, but this plea from a “sexually liberated” culture is crap. If the Roman Catholic church can find a way to exit celibacy, let it be by their own reasoning and volition, not by pressure to conform to a godless society.


13 posted on 03/23/2010 4:01:54 PM PDT by Chaguito
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Voluntary lack of sexual relations with women makes men pederasts. Makes sense to me - rolls eyes.

I think the argument is that, by limiting the priesthood to men who will abstain from sex with women, the rule of celibacy attracts disproportionate numbers of pederasts to the priesthood. I'm not saying I agree with the argument (I'm not Catholic and haven't thought about it enough to draw any conclusion), but the argument has a greater surface plausibility than your re-casting of it.

14 posted on 03/23/2010 4:03:23 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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Well said. Thank you!


15 posted on 03/23/2010 4:04:35 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Post-christian europe is a mission field. It has to be approached that way. Catholics and evangelicals alike need to understand that and either work to reclaim it or watch the lights go out over europe.

Preach Christ and take back the lost ground.


16 posted on 03/23/2010 4:06:01 PM PDT by marron
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To: frogjerk

It’s a nonsensical argument.


17 posted on 03/23/2010 4:08:22 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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It is no longer adultery and fornication that are innapropriate. (”Who are they hurting?”), now it’s celibacy that is innapropriate. Now REALLY. Who is THAT hurting?


18 posted on 03/23/2010 4:08:24 PM PDT by TradicalRC (Secular conservatism is liberalism.)
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The secularists will do anything to destroy the Church and belief in God in general. This is but one way that they believe will accomplish that goal.

Instead of all Christians uniting against this threat, there are those who welcome this opportunity to destroy Catholicism.


19 posted on 03/23/2010 4:11:51 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ConservativeMind
One question I have: Are priests allowed or encouraged to masturbate? I only ask this because if godly sexual relations with a woman are not allowed, is anything allowed that is sexual for priests? And, if not, does the Catholic church have any priests that have had their testicles removed to help further curb desire?

I think a lack of releasing stored sperm in the epididymis results in nocturnal emissions, and "wet" dreams. It's the body's way of making room for more.

20 posted on 03/23/2010 4:19:10 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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