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Pope Benedict Faces Child Abuse Cover-up Queries
BBC ^ | 3/25/10

Posted on 03/25/2010 6:51:30 AM PDT by marshmallow

Questions are being raised about whether Pope Benedict was personally involved in covering up a case of child sex abuse by a Roman Catholic priest.

Documents seen by the New York Times newspaper allege that in the 1990s, long before he became Pope, he failed to respond to letters about a US case.

Fr Lawrence Murphy, of Wisconsin, was accused of abusing up to 200 deaf boys.

Defending itself, the Vatican said US civil authorities had investigated and dropped the case.

For more than 20 years before he was made Pope, Joseph Ratzinger led the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith - the Vatican office with responsibility, among other issues, for the Church's response to child abuse cases.

Allegations that the Church sought to cover up child abuse by Catholic priests in Europe have haunted the Vatican for months.

'He was so friendly'

The documents seen by the New York Times suggest that in 1996, the then Cardinal Ratzinger twice failed to respond to letters sent to him personally.

They concerned the Rev Lawrence Murphy, who worked at a Wisconsin school for deaf children from the 1950s.

Three archbishops of Wisconsin were told Fr Murphy was sexually abusing boys but those allegations were not reported to civil authorities at the time.

Alleged victims quoted by the New York Times gave accounts of the priest pulling down their trousers and touching them in his office, his car, his mother's country house, on class excursions and fund-raising trips, and in their dormitory beds at night.

"If he was a real mean guy, I would have stayed away," said Arthur Budzinski, 61, a former pupil of at St John's School for the Deaf, in .......

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: b16; benedict; benedictxvi; bxvi; catholic; escapedjustice; lawrencemurphy; pedophilepriests; pedophiles; pope; priests; ratzinger; scandal; sexcrimes; vatican
The article doesn't mention it but the letters in question were written by Archbishop Rembert Weakland, of unhappy memory, who himself departed the scene amidst allegations that he paid hush money to a former homosexual lover to keep their relationship quiet.

I can understand the then Cardinal Ratzinger not responding to Weakland who was one of the foremost modernists in the American Church. In effect, he was saying "this is your mess..........clean it up yourself".

1 posted on 03/25/2010 6:51:31 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Well, well, well....the swamp gets deeper.


2 posted on 03/25/2010 6:52:49 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: T Minus Four
Scadenfreude...............happiness is a Catholic scandal.
3 posted on 03/25/2010 6:54:07 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: T Minus Four

I tweeted this last night just as the story broke. The NYT is doing an in depth investigation and more shocking details are yet to come.


4 posted on 03/25/2010 6:55:19 AM PDT by milwguy
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To: marshmallow
Don't you just love how the liberal media is trying to tar a good Pope with the sins of liberal bishops? Did the NY Times *ever* have anything negative to say about Rembert Weakland?

This is utterly revolting.
5 posted on 03/25/2010 6:56:38 AM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: T Minus Four

Being in Milwaukee, our local media has been deeply involved in the abuse scandal. The local media is just starting to dig into the Milwaukee connection here.


6 posted on 03/25/2010 6:56:38 AM PDT by milwguy
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To: marshmallow
happiness is a Catholic scandal

tell that to all the victims!

7 posted on 03/25/2010 6:57:24 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: milwguy
I tweeted this last night just as the story broke. The NYT is doing an in depth investigation and more shocking details are yet to come.

Yeah, about Weakland. Everyone knows he was a bad actor. This has nothing at all to do with the Pope. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if disgraced liberal pedophile protectors are the source of these "shocking details" in an attempt to harm the Pope.
8 posted on 03/25/2010 6:58:15 AM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: T Minus Four
tell that to all the victims!

How, exactly, is the Pope responsible for the malfeasance of a rogue bishop like Rembert Weakland?
9 posted on 03/25/2010 6:59:11 AM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: marshmallow

The Catholic church will never free itself from this problem they have of so many homosexuals and pedophiles in their ranks until they allow normal males to be priests. Yes, normal males who want sex with adult women, get married, and have a normal life.

As of now, the priesthood just attracts too many deviants. Presumably deviants who know they have sick thoughts and join the church to avoid temptation, only to wind up around lots of like-minded sickos who encourage that disgusting behavior.

I respect the Catholic church, but they really need to get rid of this dumb policy of priests not being married. Yeah, I know it’s is not that simple, but it really does have to be done to really end the homosexual/pedophilia problems.


10 posted on 03/25/2010 7:08:18 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

Wow I never new my female parts were a cure for pedophilia, homosexuality and other deviant sexual behaviors. Good thing I got one. Iz can save victims by a simple lowering of the ole delicates.


11 posted on 03/25/2010 7:17:10 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Antoninus
I think we've seen this coming for a while.

The chattering classes, secularists, the lavender mafia and assorted non-Catholic "Christians" of various stripes just loathe this Pope.

12 posted on 03/25/2010 7:18:26 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow

This is from the BBC. Just sayin’.


13 posted on 03/25/2010 7:18:50 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Antoninus
How, exactly, is the Pope responsible for the malfeasance of a rogue bishop like Rembert Weakland?

I think we're getting ready to find out.

14 posted on 03/25/2010 7:19:11 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: trisham
I know............but it's from the NY Times originally and is now all over the web.

Incoming du jour.

15 posted on 03/25/2010 7:19:46 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: milwguy
The NYT is doing an in depth investigation and more shocking details are yet to come

and on THIS subject they are credible? that's SHOCKING.

16 posted on 03/25/2010 7:21:31 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Antoninus

I read that this information was forwarded to the Vatican 20 years after the complaints in question. That civil authorities did not take action (not sure of the time table with that). That the priest in question was very ill by the time it was reported to the Vatican. And that Weakland never did anything under his watch to discipline this priest. But none of that matters.

I suppose we will have to start digging up the bones of any priest anywhere accused (not convicted) of any abuse and try him and burn the bones and scatter them to the winds. And we will have to start blessing abortion and deviant behavior and stop that whole blathering on about Jesus being Savior. Only full assimilation into the borg will shut these hatemongering, ignorant, pissants up.


17 posted on 03/25/2010 7:21:54 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: marshmallow

bump


18 posted on 03/25/2010 7:22:34 AM PDT by VOA
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To: T Minus Four
I think we're getting ready to find out.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Always funny to see a Freeper suddenly embrace the NY Times when it suits him.

The the then Cardinal Ratzinger wasn't getting involved in Weakland's mess.

Good for him.

19 posted on 03/25/2010 7:22:59 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow
I could give a monseignor's butt about the NY Times. I saw the article on FoxNews.com this morning. I suppose now Fox News hates the Catholics?

Hey, and remember that the Enquirer broke the Edwards scandal. Just because a rag is a rag doesn't mean they are always wrong.

I don't think killing the messenger is going to go much further in the coming weeks my Friend.

20 posted on 03/25/2010 7:27:42 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: Antoninus

Yep... The libs force you to allow perverts into your organization; and then use them to destroy you.

Beware the boll weavils.

Are they giving the same treatment to the corrupt public schools and the naughty teachers?


21 posted on 03/25/2010 7:28:32 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: T Minus Four
Fox News is not the primary source for this. The Times is. Anyway, pull up an armchair, pop open a beer and enjoy yourself.

Nobody is killing the messenger, BTW. I posted the story, right?

The then Cardinal Ratzinger failed to respond to two letters from Archbishop Weakland. That's it.

What more do we need to know?

22 posted on 03/25/2010 7:34:08 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow

I don’t know why you think anyone is getting any enjoyment out of this whole sickening mess.


23 posted on 03/25/2010 7:47:42 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: marshmallow

I would love to know what Weakland did besides send the Vatican a letter? How old were the victims?


24 posted on 03/25/2010 8:04:21 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: marshmallow

Prayers for Pope Benedict XVI!


25 posted on 03/25/2010 8:24:20 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: T Minus Four
Perhaps you do not know the entire story!

Church Renovation ("Wreckovation")

Bishop Rembert Weakland 
(now retired)
Modernist militant Bishop of Milwaukee openly defies Vatican orders that his Cathedral wreckovation does not meet Church teachings.

26 posted on 03/25/2010 8:25:13 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Longbow1969

It’s difficult not to agree that allowing priests to marry would go a long way towards shifting what seems this all too pervasive perversion within the male Catholic hierarchy.


27 posted on 03/25/2010 8:26:31 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: T Minus Four
You are aware that there are victims of sexual abuse in greater if not equal numbers from teachers and ministers of other denominations, aren't you?

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

Abuse by Protestant Ministers of Every Denomination

Child Sexual Molestation by Various Protestant Clergy

Baptist Predators website

"Yeshiva" of Brooklyn also Guilty of Child Abuse

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Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church

WHEN BOYS ARE MOLESTED BY TEACHERS AND OTHERS IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY


28 posted on 03/25/2010 8:27:34 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: T Minus Four

The most probable pedophiles in order are:

Fathers
Teachers
Coaches
Protestant ministers

Priests are way down on the list.

So if a father is a teacher of mid-high history, coaches the girl’s basketball team and is a youth minister at his church on weekends/Sundays — watch out! He would be much more prone to pedophilia that any priest.


29 posted on 03/25/2010 8:28:23 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: onedoug
It’s difficult not to agree that allowing priests to marry would go a long way towards shifting what seems this all too pervasive perversion within the male Catholic hierarchy.

LOL. Read the post immediately below yours for an education on this subject. If you think that homosexual sex abuse only occurs in the Catholic clergy, you are out of your cotton-pickin' mind. It only seems that way because the media will not report it when it happens anywhere else--like in public schools.
30 posted on 03/25/2010 8:32:48 AM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: T Minus Four
I don't think killing the messenger is going to go much further in the coming weeks my Friend.

So far, the media has created a lot of sound and fury about this garbage with nothing to show for it. What makes you think they've got something now?

The media and their butt-boy lackeys within the Church will continue to try to bring this Pope down. And they will fail. Miserably.
31 posted on 03/25/2010 8:35:21 AM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: onedoug
It’s difficult not to agree that allowing priests to marry would go a long way towards shifting what seems this all too pervasive perversion within the male Catholic hierarchy.

As is often posted in reply to a seemingly reasonable position like the above is to relate it to NY elementary school teachers who have a similar rate of child abuse and say, "if they only let school teachers marry...". It displays the illogic of making a direct logical relationship.

If we didn't have the purple mafia in clegical schooling, that would have more impact. If homosexuality wasn't promoted and encouraged in formative minds, that would have more impact. Many things would have more or equal impact.

While not a catholic, I was a Boy Scout leader and the Boy Scouts figured out how to cut the rare incident rate for this behavior by a large percentage making it an even more rare occurance -- a church can as well.

Many child abusers are married or have been married or in a traditional male/female relationship. The issue is what is acceptable behavior overall within a society and homosexual and other similar behavior is more and more tolerated as within the range of normality each decade.

32 posted on 03/25/2010 8:36:04 AM PDT by KC Burke (...but He has made the trains run on time.)
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To: KC Burke; Antoninus

Granted it would be interesting to ascertain statistics on the incidence of of pedophilia overall. Though I speak from my own experience when I was young and studying Catholicism with my mom. Most of the priests I encountered seemed decent but there was one who definitely gave me the heebie-jeebies. Granted, it may have been my own youthful perception, but I think not. So now I think about the statistics and the odds that I would encounter that situation inside a church setting overall. Add to it that I spent much more time in Protestant settings and never encountered a like circumstance.

Yes, we can add to it all of the shortcomings and failures of society in general. But even in that case it seems one should expect the Church more than any other institution to adhere to its values.

Again, it’s my perception, but I have thought about this for a long time and am cognizant of the many meritable arguments to the contrary. It’s just that I no longer agree with them.

The issue is with male nature, and that is paramount in what should be addressed throughout the entire issue.


33 posted on 03/25/2010 9:20:50 AM PDT by onedoug
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Yes, we can add to it all of the shortcomings and failures of society in general. But even in that case it seems one should expect the Church more than any other institution to adhere to its values.

You are right. Catholics should be held to a higher standard. I completely accept that.

But remember one thing--the Catholic Church has been specifically targeted by the enemy for infiltration and destruction. If we have vile creatures in our midst, many of them were put there with a purpose.
34 posted on 03/25/2010 9:28:03 AM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: KC Burke
While not a catholic, I was a Boy Scout leader and the Boy Scouts figured out how to cut the rare incident rate for this behavior by a large percentage making it an even more rare occurance -- a church can as well.

You may not be aware, but the Vatican issued directives, in 1961 and again in 2005 expressly forbidding those with same-sex attraction from being ordained priests. Here's the problem--many of the bishops openly ignored these directives. Some of these bishops, like Rembert Weakland were later outed as homosexuals themselves.
35 posted on 03/25/2010 9:31:30 AM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: Salvation

It’s the high-level cover-up that is the issue and you know it.


36 posted on 03/25/2010 9:37:12 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: T Minus Four
you know it

Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

37 posted on 03/25/2010 9:47:28 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator; Salvation

OK, sorry.


38 posted on 03/25/2010 9:57:00 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: Longbow1969
And all the public-schoolteachers-abusing-students cases in the news lately. It's an outrage! And it wouldn't be happening if it weren't for the dumb policy of school teachers not being allowed to marry.

Except that -- perhaps you've noticed --that in the dozen + teacher-beds-a-boy cases that have hit the publicity, every one of the perpetrators has been a married woman.

We've known this for years. Here's a Free Republic thread (link) in which Hofstra University researcher Dr. Charol Shakeshaft estimates that "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."

Doesn't quite fit the preferred narrative, though, does it?

This in no way mitigates the objective criminal responsibility of the parties involved, married or unmarried, women or men, gay or straight. But it serves as an indication that refrences to distinctive features of Catholicism per seare dubious, to say the least.

39 posted on 03/25/2010 9:58:41 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: Antoninus
Seminary staff and clegy as much as Bishops allowed this to happen as I read the history of it in the 20th century.

The media, forever anti-religous, loves to pick on the more conservative, large or traditional denominations. Sensitivity between denominations allows some of us to be sucked into intenicene fights when we should realize that the orthodox (small "o") amongst the Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox (Capital "O") branches of Christianity and the various strains of Judism have more in common with each other than their nearest doctrinal neighbors that are on the cultrual left that use their denominatin as a country club and a "means for social change" vehicle without a proponderance of belief.

I have people from my church, who though "churched", have little faith in the Enduring Moral Order. I have friends who are worlds apart from me in denominational doctrine but whose communion with Christ I respect to the utmost. The reason is we are both orthodox believers willing to practice our faith.

40 posted on 03/25/2010 12:18:20 PM PDT by KC Burke (...but He has made the trains run on time.)
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To: Salvation

That can not be true. Everyone knows that only priests ever molested children. And at least 198% of them are pedophiles.


41 posted on 03/25/2010 12:29:14 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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