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Vatican Defends Decision Not to Defrock U.S. Priest
Reuters ^ | 3/25/10 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 03/25/2010 7:00:24 AM PDT by marshmallow

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Vatican did not discipline a Catholic priest accused of sexually abusing up to 200 deaf boys in the United States from the 1950s to the 1970s as Church laws do not require automatic punishment, its spokesman said on Thursday.

The New York Times reported on Thursday that the Vatican did not defrock Rev. Lawrence Murphy in the late 1990s despite receiving clear warnings from his bishops that his case was serious and could embarrass the Church.

The report came amid mounting allegations of sexual abuse by priests in Europe and pressure on bishops, mostly in Ireland, to resign for failing to report cases to civil authorities.

Among 25 internal Church documents the Times posted on its website was a 1996 letter about Murphy to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, then the Vatican's top doctrinal official and now Pope Benedict, showing he was informed of his case.

Ratzinger's deputy first advised a secret disciplinary trial but later reversed that in 1998 after Murphy appealed directly to Ratzinger for clemency. The priest died later that year.

Vatican spokesman Rev. Federico Lombardi said in a statement that Murphy had broken the law but a civil probe into complaints against him in the mid-1970s had been dropped and the Vatican only learned of the allegations 20 years later.

"The canonical (Church law) question presented to the Congregation was unrelated to any potential civil or criminal proceedings against Father Murphy," Lombardi said.

"In such cases, the Code of Canon Law does not envision automatic penalties."

EXTENSIVE PAPER TRAIL

The 1996 letter to Ratzinger from the then Milwaukee Archbishop Rembert Weakland was not answered, the Times said.

After eight months, Weakland wrote a second letter to Ratzinger's deputy at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), .....................

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues
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To: ClearBlueSky
Since WW2 ended about 65 years it would be more accurate to use than 50 years. Japanese and American soldiers were as cruel as Nazis yet no hunting them down. Selected prosecution is demanded by some like you.Your rant is all about vigilante justice and is the reason we have Statute of Limitations to handle situations as these.
21 posted on 03/25/2010 8:00:17 AM PDT by bronx2
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To: Campion

OH, I paint everyone involved with this sickness with the same brush. The difference is- I EXPECT more from the Pope, morally.
Corrupt, lazy, inept, unconcerned cops and lawyers are no big surprise.The higher the moral authority one claims, the more is expected in the fight between good and evil.


22 posted on 03/25/2010 8:02:08 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: bronx2

Selected prosecution re. RAPING children!?! That’s bad?
Damned right I’m for selectively prosecuting such people right up to the grave, and reviling them after they’re rotting .At least the still living Nazis have the sense to hide- guilty priests are still pretending to be innocent and respectable.


23 posted on 03/25/2010 8:06:27 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Campion

Excuse it all you want, Ratzinger’s name is all over this!

But any attempt to point out his involvement or bring visibility to any abuse or cover-up by the Catholic church is considered slander and agenda driven.

I never cease to be amazed at the lengths people will go to protect pedophiles!


24 posted on 03/25/2010 8:07:01 AM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: vladimir998

That’s news to me ... and I remember those years well.


25 posted on 03/25/2010 8:10:56 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (One trillion days, at 365 days per year, is 2,739,726,027 years ... almost 3 billion years.)
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To: MikeWUSAF

You refuse to see the facts that people have pointed to you, and have already prejudged the matter.


26 posted on 03/25/2010 8:12:05 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: marshmallow

And Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was supposed to believe Waekland?

Evidently, these non-Catholics have not heard of Waekland or the wreckovation he engineered while a Bishop.


27 posted on 03/25/2010 8:12:20 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow

“The Pope’s crime: failing to respond to two letters from Weakland 20 years after the events.”

No, it sounds like the Pope’s failure was failing to take these charges seriously.

Here is a scenario for you: a Baptist deacon is told the pastor sexually abused several young children during a Bible Camp. The deacon spends months deciding if he should discuss the matter with anyone else, and if it is serious enough to require investigation.

In the end, he talks to the pastor, who, in Rev Lombardi’s phrasing, agrees to restrict his public ministry and accepts full responsibility for the gravity of his acts. The Baptist pastor moves on to another congregation and spends the rest of his life interacting with young children.

Would you defend the Baptists for their non-handling of that scenario? I wouldn’t!

Also, from the BBC article: “The Rev Peter Hullermann had been accused of abusing boys in the 1970s when the now Pope approved his 1980 transfer to Munich to receive psychological treatment for paedophilia. Hullermann was convicted in 1986 of abusing a youth, but stayed within the Church, serving as a village priest until 2008.”

If he needed treatment for paedophilia, he needed severe church discipline as well - NOT secret counseling, and NOT remaining a priest for 22 years after a criminal conviction!

Sorry, but the Pope & the Catholic Church have dropped the ball on this. They don’t seem to think these cases are serious...just a “Priests will be Priests” attitude.

It is appalling.


28 posted on 03/25/2010 8:12:47 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: ClearBlueSky

VIGILANTE JUSTICE JUST AS BAD


29 posted on 03/25/2010 8:13:01 AM PDT by bronx2
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To: Pyro7480
You refuse to see the facts that people have pointed to you, and have already prejudged the matter.

CHILD RAPE - Yep, let me step back and try to see this from a different more positive perspective.

The line between Michael Jackon and the Catholic church's bizarre behavior blurs more everyday.
30 posted on 03/25/2010 8:15:31 AM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: marshmallow

Here is a link to an article about Murphy from the site Bishop Accountability. I can not help but notice the accusations came about because of recovered memories by the chief accusers/victims. Though the article does mention one person saying he did report the abuse when it happened.

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2006/03_04/2006_03_27_Zahn_StaringAbuse.htm


31 posted on 03/25/2010 8:16:56 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Mr Rogers

“In 2001, Pope John Paul II placed this department in charge of the investigation of child rape and torture by Catholic priests. In May of that year, Ratzinger issued a confidential letter to every bishop. In it, he reminded them of the extreme gravity of a certain crime. But that crime was the reporting of the rape and torture. The accusations, intoned Ratzinger, were only treatable within the church’s own exclusive jurisdiction. Any sharing of the evidence with legal authorities or the press was utterly forbidden. Charges were to be investigated “in the most secretive way ... restrained by a perpetual silence ... and everyone ... is to observe the strictest secret which is commonly regarded as a secret of the Holy Office … under the penalty of excommunication.”...Nobody has yet been excommunicated for the rape and torture of children, but exposing the offense could get you into serious trouble.”

http://www.slate.com/id/2247861/


32 posted on 03/25/2010 8:20:46 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: MikeWUSAF; ZULU; OldNavyVet; iowamark; marshmallow; Lonely NY Conservative; matginzac; ...
The truth about Warkland:

Church Renovation ("Wreckovation")

Bishop Rembert Weakland 
(now retired)
Modernist militant Bishop of Milwaukee openly defies Vatican orders that his Cathedral wreckovation does not meet Church teachings.

33 posted on 03/25/2010 8:22:38 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow

marshmallow,

I am not anti-Catholic. I have friends and family that are Catholic and I truly appreciate and honor the church’s unyielding fight to protect the unborn.

Not all priests, bishops, cardinals or pope’s are molesters.

That said, I have entirely too much integrity to see this as an agenda driven attack on the church. The facts are repulsive whether they come from the most liberal or conservative news outlets.

The abuse is systemic and unfortunately for the church, the current sitting Pope appears to be part of the problem.


34 posted on 03/25/2010 8:24:52 AM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: bronx2

You seem to be really afraid that pedophile priests will pay for their evil- civilly and religiously.
How is exposing and prosecuting them ‘vigilante justice’?
Vigilante’s go door to door as a mob and leave bodies in the street.
Accountability and justice under civil and Church law is not vigilantism.


35 posted on 03/25/2010 8:25:05 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Salvation

First it was the psychologists fault
Then it was the local Bishop’s fault
Now it is the fault of Wreckovation

I’m shocked that Bush or Obama haven’t been blamed!


36 posted on 03/25/2010 8:27:18 AM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Pyro7480
The real news here has nothing to do with priests, homosexual perverts, Rembert the Vandal, or Pope Benedict.

The real story is that the Catholic-haters on this forum have not only jumped the shark, they have come crashing down in the water face first.

1) They show no evidence of having read the story.

2) They show no evidence of understanding what little they have read.

3) They show every evidence of uncritically accepting the insinuations, prevarications, and distortions spoon-fed to them by the leftist press.

They are a disgrace to this forum, and to whatever religious tradition/community/confession they represent.

37 posted on 03/25/2010 8:27:47 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: MikeWUSAF
Excuse it all you want, Ratzinger’s name is all over this!

I'm not excusing anyone.

You're the one who's excusing the police and the DA (who did nothing) and the local bishops (who did nothing) so you can point at a Pope who got two letters about it 22 years (or more) after the fact.

Are you amazed at the "lengths" the police went to to protect this particular pedophile?

38 posted on 03/25/2010 8:27:53 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: lastchance; Pyro7480; MikeWUSAF

“Here’s a little thought experiment on practical ethics. Suppose that you are having a drink with a new acquaintance and the subject of law-breaking comes up. “Ever been in any trouble with the authorities?”

You may perhaps mention your arrest at a demonstration, your smuggling of excess duty-free goods, that brush with the narcotics people, that unwise attempt at insider trading. Your counterpart may show a closer acquaintance with the criminal justice system. He once did a bit of time for forgery, or for robbery with a touch of violence, or for a domestic dispute that got a bit out of hand. You are still perhaps ready to have lunch next Friday. But what if he says: “Well, I once knew a couple who trusted me as their baby sitter. Two little boys they had—one of 12 and one of 10. A good bit of fun I had with those kids when nobody was looking. Told them it was our secret. I was sorry when it all ended.” I hope I don’t seem too judgmental if I say that at this point the lunch is canceled or indefinitely postponed.”

http://www.slate.com/id/2248557?obref=obinsite


39 posted on 03/25/2010 8:28:46 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Campion

I suspect the police’s actions were driven by the implied lack of attention to the issue by the clergy.

I excuse nobody, but you obviously do.

Are you so blinded by your faith that you cannot wrap your head around the fact that the Pope did not act to protect children who were being raped?

Think about it.


40 posted on 03/25/2010 8:30:24 AM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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