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Ratzinger's Responsibility
National Catholic Reporter ^ | March 18, 2010 | Hans Kung

Posted on 03/25/2010 8:19:34 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

1st Question: Why does the pope continue to assert that what he calls "holy" celibacy is a "precious gift", thus ignoring the biblical teaching that explicitly permits and even encourages marriage for all office holders in the Church?...The rule of celibacy is not a truth of faith, but a church law going back to the 11th Century...

4th Question: Is it not time for Pope Benedict XVI himself to acknowledge his share of responsibility, instead of whining about a campaign against his person?

In his eight years as a professor of theology in Regensburg, in close contact with his brother Georg, the capellmeister of the Regensburger Domspatzen, Ratzinger can hardly have been ignorant about what went on in the choir and its boarding--school. This was much more than an occasional slap in the face, there are charges of serious physical violence and even sexual abuse.

In his five years as Archbishop of Munich, repeated cases of sexual abuse at least by one priest transferred to his Archdiocese have come to light. His loyal Vicar General, my classmate Gerhard Gruber, has taken full responsibility for the handling of this case, but that is hardly an excuse for the Archbishop, who is ultimately responsible for the administration of his diocese.

In his 24 years as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, from around the world, all cases of grave sexual offences by clerics had to be reported, under strictest secrecy ("secretum pontificum"), to his curial office, which was exclusively responsible for dealing with them. Ratzinger himself, in a letter on "grave sexual crimes" addressed to all the bishops under the date of 18 May, 2001, warned the bishops, under threat of ecclesiastical punishment, to observe "papal secrecy" in such cases...

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1 posted on 03/25/2010 8:19:34 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

You do know that Kung was disciplined by CDF and that he is a notorius dissenter, don’t you? So why should I believe a single word he has to say on this issue?


2 posted on 03/25/2010 8:21:00 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

This source is also pro-abortion - from their “woman’s” section:

QUEZON CITY, Philippines — The church’s catechism opposing the Reproductive Health Bill, which is now before Congress, has silenced election candidates on women’s rights, a leading advocate of the proposed law says.

Politicians seem to have “all meekly acquiesced to the dictates” of the Episcopal Commission on Family and Life, which issued the “Catechism on Family and Life” for the 2010 elections, former Health Secretary Alberto Romualdez said. National, provincial and local elections will be held nationwide May 10.


3 posted on 03/25/2010 8:22:38 AM PDT by DManA
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Oh and PS. For pity’s sake nothing, nothing in canon law requiring confidentiality in proceedings forbade any reporting of alleged crimes to civil authorities.

And by the way criminal investigations are also handled confidentially.

In canon law as well as civil law there is the presumption of innocence. So the accused does have the right to be treated as such. Which means not exposing a person who my not be guilty to public condemnation.

An investigation is not a trial. It is not a tribunal. It is not a foregone conclusion. It is just that, an investigation.

A trial and investigation are conducted under different rules. I wish people would learn the difference.

Ever heard of a “secret” grand jury investigation?


4 posted on 03/25/2010 8:26:46 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The National Catholic Reporter? Not Catholic. It is however, a left-wing front group used to divide Catholics.


5 posted on 03/25/2010 8:27:34 AM PDT by rbosque (11 year Freeper! A true American is an armed American.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

FYI, the National Catholic Reporter is an anti-Catholic dissent rag. They are also huge homo enablers. Their credibility on this issue is less than ZERO.


6 posted on 03/25/2010 8:27:55 AM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

“Is it not time for Pope Benedict XVI himself to acknowledge his share of responsibility, instead of whining about a campaign against his person?”

I’m no Catholic,, but it couldn’t be *any more obvious* that the leftards started hunting him the very minute he was picked for pope. They started carefully sifting through his life, for anything bad that happened somewhere he lived. They did it because they hate what he stands for,,, so it appears the pop was correct in his assessment.


7 posted on 03/25/2010 8:28:49 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Liberal Catholics HATE the discipline of celibacy. I’m not sure you could find a Catholic pundit who is pro-life, anti-birth control, anti-homosexualist agenda, anti-priestesses, and against “gay marriage” who is also against celibacy. You sure can find Catholic pundits who are for all those liberal things and they invariably hate celibacy.

Freegards


8 posted on 03/25/2010 8:36:15 AM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Kung loves to criticize the papacy. What do you know about him? LOL!


9 posted on 03/25/2010 8:37:58 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Hans Kung and the National "catholic" Reporter.

Stopped reading right there. The tired liberal and totally debunked rhetoric regarding "celibacy" as a bad thing is exposed (pun intended) again. If the priests in question had remained true to the "precious gift" of holy celibacy there would not have been a scandal. The homosexuals "OF this world" allowed into the priesthood are at fault, not holy celibacy.

Question: can the Bishop where National catholic Reporter is headquartered force them to cease and desist misusing "Catholic" in their name?

10 posted on 03/25/2010 8:40:17 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Kung's last "hurrah".

Sad.

11 posted on 03/25/2010 8:40:31 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Try this for starters:

Theology Incompatible with the Catholic Faith
Hans K¸ng Former theologian condemned by the Vatican.

12 posted on 03/25/2010 8:41:29 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

CP, Do you wish to associate yourself with Dr. Kung and his opinions? Do you have any commentary on it? Or is this just another left-wing rip and run attack on the Pontiff?


13 posted on 03/25/2010 8:56:07 AM PDT by Faraday
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To: Faraday

Hi Faraday,

I can tell you one thing, I do not want to be associated with the pope.


14 posted on 03/25/2010 9:01:30 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (When I survey the wondrous cross...)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I dislike Kung, but he is right regarding the origins of the celibacy rule. It was a comparatively late development and has been unevenly enforced. Within the Catholic communion for instance, for the last few hundred years Maronites have been permitted married clergy with a gentlements agreement they cannot progress higher in the church once married.

I don’t have an issue with married clergy theologically, but I suspect we’d see some awful instances of priests unable to keep distance between them and their flocks or finding it even harder to do so.

As to whether it would magically fix the pedophile scandal - I doubt it. The anglicans have had married clergy yet there’s been plenty of dubious instances within their ranks and within other bodies. As ever, most of this just comes from sick twisted perverts driven by lust or power, taking shelter within a respected institution and using it as cover.


15 posted on 03/25/2010 9:12:16 AM PDT by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: Faraday; DesertRhino; lastchance; DManA; rbosque; Antoninus; Ransomed; Servant of the Cross

Do I want to be associated with Hans Kung?

I can tell you what I do not want to be associated with. I do not want to be associated with the sexual violence of young children and the systematic coverup of paedophiles and their crimes.

I do not want to be associated with the perversion of the name of Jesus Christ by those who claim to represent Him.

It is a sad day when the godless have more credibility to stand on than those who have publicly taken the burden upon themselves to be representatives of the living GOD.


16 posted on 03/25/2010 9:17:05 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (When I survey the wondrous cross...)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The Catholic Church is not immune from attacks by the Enemy.


17 posted on 03/25/2010 9:18:35 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Then, the works of the Enemy should be exposed and fought, not covered up or defended.


18 posted on 03/25/2010 9:20:56 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (When I survey the wondrous cross...)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
I can tell you what I do not want to be associated with. I do not want to be associated with the sexual violence of young children and the systematic coverup of paedophiles and their crimes.

Guess what, genius. By associating with Hans Kung and lining up with those attacking the Pope and the Catholic Church, you are siding with those who enable the homosexual rape of children. All of these bums attacking the Pope are pro-homosexual. Do you think that's coincidence?

These accusations are being ginned up by homosexuals in the media (and within the Church itself) for the express purpose of attacking a Pope who has made every effort to expunge them from the Church.

Go cogitate over that for a while, then get back to us.
19 posted on 03/25/2010 9:24:24 AM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: Antoninus

Excellent, excellent post.


20 posted on 03/25/2010 9:26:57 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Antoninus

Anti Catholics do not care about the facts. Even the fact of the horrors of abuse becomes in their hands a tool to advance lies.

Do they really think Non Catholic denominations are safe from attack by secularists? Do they really think that no sins are ever committed by their clergy or members? Do they really think that any wrong doing by such will not be used to convince people that Christianity must surrender being a voice of moral authority. And shut up about deviance, abortion, and other sins? And most of all stop preaching the Gospel?

I am saddened by the blinders they have put on. If the secularists who are frothing at the mouth truly had the protection of children as their main concern they would stop promoting the sexualization of children, stop yammering for abortion, stop fawning over gay lifestyles.

They have an agenda and it is not protecting the innocent. Jumping on their bandwagon will not benefit the Gospel at all.

Wrong was done and it is a terrible sin and crime. But never forget that what Christianity has always claimed as being wrong is for the most part embraced and defended by the people you are so quick to laud.


21 posted on 03/25/2010 9:36:49 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
The rule of celibacy is not a truth of faith, but a church law going back to the 11th Century;

Nope.

Letters from Gregory the Great to Augustine of Canterbury require celibacy of clergy in major AND MINOR orders. Maybe the rule wasn't made 'law' in the 1000's but it was required way earlier than that.

22 posted on 03/25/2010 9:37:38 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: lastchance

Well said, lastchance.


23 posted on 03/25/2010 9:42:03 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

It’s hilarious, and telling, that anti-Catholics like liberal rags like the National Catholic Reporter.


24 posted on 03/25/2010 9:42:06 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Mad Dawg

The Secular Left is really ratcheting up the attacks on the church. Easter must be coming up.


25 posted on 03/25/2010 9:42:11 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Androcles; NYer

You wrote:

“Within the Catholic communion for instance, for the last few hundred years Maronites have been permitted married clergy with a gentlements agreement they cannot progress higher in the church once married.”

I think they always had married priests and celibate bishops.


26 posted on 03/25/2010 9:47:32 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: massgopguy

10-4

Hunker down. It happens every Lent.

“But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”


27 posted on 03/25/2010 10:11:19 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I agree.


28 posted on 03/25/2010 10:14:21 AM PDT by DManA
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
In his eight years as a professor of theology in Regensburg, in close contact with his brother Georg, the capellmeister of the Regensburger Domspatzen, Ratzinger can hardly have been ignorant about what went on in the choir and its boarding--school. This was much more than an occasional slap in the face, there are charges of serious physical violence and even sexual abuse.

In his five years as Archbishop of Munich, repeated cases of sexual abuse at least by one priest transferred to his Archdiocese have come to light. His loyal Vicar General, my classmate Gerhard Gruber, has taken full responsibility for the handling of this case, but that is hardly an excuse for the Archbishop, who is ultimately responsible for the administration of his diocese.

No excuse.

29 posted on 03/25/2010 10:28:53 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Antoninus

Thanks


30 posted on 03/25/2010 10:29:17 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: DesertRhino

Thanks


31 posted on 03/25/2010 10:29:54 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Salvation

Thanks


32 posted on 03/25/2010 10:30:45 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: trisham; antonius

Dittos


33 posted on 03/25/2010 10:32:15 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: trisham; lastchance

I agree


34 posted on 03/25/2010 10:33:22 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I didn’t say you wanted to be associated with Kung. I was explaining that liberal Catholics hate celibacy, and conservative Catholics think it is valuable. I did that because there are a lot of other types of conservatuve Christians on FR who might not realize this, and because the article you posted questions the worth of celibacy.

Freegards


35 posted on 03/25/2010 10:44:12 AM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Why are we putting anything at all from NCR without an appropriate barf alert? These people have nothing useful and seldom anything truthful to say.


36 posted on 03/25/2010 10:47:49 AM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: Antoninus
RE: NCR

Their credibility on this and any other issue is less than ZERO.

37 posted on 03/25/2010 10:49:44 AM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: arthurus

Hans Kung. Why don’t you just jump and convert. I hear that the Archbishop of Canterbury is hiring.


38 posted on 03/25/2010 4:08:26 PM PDT by BenKenobi ("we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be")
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To: DManA; trisham; Running On Empty; lastchance; Antoninus
"It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning. God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from among you." ~ St. Paul, (1 Corinthians: 5: 12-13)

Some more convicting parts of Paul's letter:

"I can hardly believe the report about the sexual immorality going on among you—something that even pagans don’t do." ~ (1 Corinthians 5:1)

"When I wrote to you before, I told you not to associate with people who indulge in sexual sin. But I wasn’t talking about unbelievers who indulge in sexual sin, or are greedy, or cheat people, or worship idols. You would have to leave this world to avoid people like that. I meant that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a believer yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or is a drunkard, or cheats people. Don’t even eat with such people." ~ (1 Corinthians 5:9-11)

39 posted on 03/25/2010 6:42:48 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (When I survey the wondrous cross...)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I can tell you what I do not want to be associated with. I do not want to be associated with the sexual violence of young children and the systematic coverup of paedophiles and their crimes.

what an asinine reply.....the incidence of child abuse among protestant clergy FAR outnumbers those in the Catholic clergy. In most cases, Catholic and protestant, the cases are far more homosexual then paedophilic. When you decide that name calling is your goal, find out what you are talking about or shut up.


40 posted on 03/25/2010 10:09:38 PM PDT by terycarl (4)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

LOLOLOLOL

Hans Kung? HANS KUNG?

LOLOLOLOL


41 posted on 03/25/2010 10:11:29 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

WOW, I llove experts who have no idea of what they are talking about


42 posted on 03/25/2010 10:12:21 PM PDT by terycarl (4)
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To: lastchance

“Do they really think Non Catholic denominations are safe from attack by secularists? Do they really think that no sins are ever committed by their clergy or members?”

Actually, most non-Catholic denominations DEAL with the problem. They don’t cover up decades of sexual abuse by homosexuals. Caught = out.


43 posted on 03/25/2010 10:21:15 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases


44 posted on 03/25/2010 10:29:09 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers

Well you really can not know if a cover up happened until somebody exposes the cover up.

So it is only the Catholic Church that has any sinners amongst its clergy and Bishops? It is only the Catholic Church that has ever had any member guilty of sexual abuse? It is only the Catholic Church where the guilty were wrongly and mistakenly viewed as a problem to be handled in house?

And I was not limiting my example of sin to that of homosexual behavior. But since you belong to a sinless denomination I see there is not need for any enlightenment.


45 posted on 03/25/2010 10:31:08 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance

Don’t throw dirt in the air to obscure the issue.

NO ONE is claiming their denomination is pure or without sinners or sexual abusers. The question is how the accusations are handled - are they vigorously investigated and turned over for civil prosecution if there is any evidence, or does the denomination try to hide what is going on?

The Catholic Church should have tried to root out this evil:

“1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father’s wife. 2 And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.

3 For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. 4 When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

6 Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians+5&version=ESV


46 posted on 03/25/2010 10:35:14 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers

I apologize, I was overly snarky and my tone was uncalled for. I agree that for too long homosexuals (not all, but enough to rightly raise concern) in the priesthood preyed on those whom they should have been protecting from evils.

I do believe the Church is taking the right steps to curb abuse and any resulting cover ups.

I behaved dreadfully towards you and I am truly sorry.


47 posted on 03/25/2010 11:42:27 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: vladimir998

They did (from when they formed initially) but their first few centuries sthey were outside the Catholic communion. The two churches rejoined in roughly the nineteenth century I think (Too tired to google).


48 posted on 03/26/2010 3:02:15 AM PDT by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: Mad Dawg
Maybe the rule wasn't made 'law' in the 1000's but it was required way earlier than that.

Forbidden in some areas, ignored in others, permitted with restriction elsewhere. Try the excellent Catholic encyclopaedia article here: (Halfway down pages is the history of Celibacy of the Clergy section)

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03481a.htm

49 posted on 03/26/2010 3:09:21 AM PDT by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: Androcles

They say they were never out of communion with the Catholic Church. They were in communion in the Middle Ages, for instance.


50 posted on 03/26/2010 3:10:25 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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