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Vatican says media in "ignoble attempt" to smear pope
Reuters ^ | March 25, 2010 | Philip Pullella Philip Pullella

Posted on 03/25/2010 1:29:03 PM PDT by NYer

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) – The Vatican on Thursday angrily attacked the media over its reporting of sexual abuse of children by priests, saying there was an "ignoble attempt" to smear Pope Benedict "at any cost."

The editorial in a Vatican newspaper came on a day abuse victims protested near St Peter's Square to demand the pope open files on pedophile clerics and defrock "predator priests," and a cardinal spoke of a "conspiracy" against the church.

"The prevalent tendency in the media is to ignore the facts and stretch interpretations with the aim of spreading the picture of the Catholic Church as the only one responsible for sexual abuse, something which does not correspond to reality," the Vatican newspaper said.

There was "clearly an ignoble attempt to strike at Pope Benedict and his closest aides at any cost," it said.

The editorial challenged a New York Times report about the case of Rev. Lawrence Murphy, accused of sexually abusing up to 200 deaf boys in the United States from the 1950s to the 1970s.

Among 25 internal church documents the Times posted on its website was a 1996 letter about Murphy to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, then the Vatican's top doctrinal official and now Pope Benedict, showing he had been informed of the case.

Ratzinger's deputy first advised a secret disciplinary trial but reversed that in 1998 after Murphy appealed directly to Ratzinger for clemency. The priest died later that year.

The Vatican newspaper said: "There was no cover-up in the case of Father Murphy." The Vatican said earlier he was not disciplined because church laws do not require automatic punishment.

The report came amid mounting allegations of sexual abuse by priests in Europe and pressure on bishops, mostly in Ireland, to resign for failing to report cases to civil authorities.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: b16; benedict; benedictxvi; bxvi; catholic; pedophilepriests; pedophiles; pope; priests; ratzinger; scandal; secularagenda; vatican
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1 posted on 03/25/2010 1:29:04 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 03/25/2010 1:29:41 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer
The Vatican newspaper said: "There was no cover-up in the case of Father Murphy." The Vatican said earlier he was not disciplined because church laws do not require automatic punishment.

NEWS flash.... IF they think they are helping their cause because they had NO laws requiring automatic punishment then they are in a very sorry state of affairs... Blaming media is NOT going to play.

3 posted on 03/25/2010 1:31:50 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: NYer

Welcome to the club.


4 posted on 03/25/2010 1:32:48 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: NYer

A smilar situation was attempted against Pope Pius XII many years after his death. Before and during WWII, Pope Pius XII and the church tried their best to save the Jews. Many Catholic priests were sent to the ovens trying to save these folks.

A pox on all these assholes trying to bring down the Pope.

It really angers me.


5 posted on 03/25/2010 1:42:34 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: NYer
Who owns the Media?

I wonder if there is any sexual abuse among the non-Christian Arabs and Jews?

I guess we'll never know!

6 posted on 03/25/2010 1:43:23 PM PDT by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: NYer


7 posted on 03/25/2010 1:44:53 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: NYer

This will not end well.


8 posted on 03/25/2010 1:47:49 PM PDT by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: NYer

I’m so glad to see this! I believe that this is the right thing to do. It is a mistake to allow Satan to wage his war unchallenged.


9 posted on 03/25/2010 1:50:00 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

P.S.

“A similar situation”

In “similar,” I mean that they were trying to bring down Pope Pius XII reputation by saying he was against the Jews before and during WWII.

It is all about bringing down the Pope and the church.

Wake up.


10 posted on 03/25/2010 1:50:01 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: NYer
Weakland was the bishop involved up to his eyebrows in this affair. Anybody heard from him today? Any statement about his own role in this? Has he made any attempt to support the Holy Father or explain the situation?

Figures.

We're talking about a homosexual bishop who was run out of town for paying hush money to a former lover and who was a long time antagonist of Vatican directives.

I bet he and the rest of the lavender mafia are exchanging high fives all around over this.

11 posted on 03/25/2010 1:50:32 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: NYer

0 is trying to divide and conquor the Catholics. He is trying to paint orthodox Catholics as violent, child molesting “tea party” Chatholics and the liberal, godless, Catholics as the good Christians. The same thing he’s trying to do to all conseratives right now. Given what we are seeing here, what would happen to a conservative, orthodox Pope under a One World UN headed government?


12 posted on 03/25/2010 1:54:41 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: marshmallow

Oh God!! Weakland!! The left is determined to undermine this Pope.


13 posted on 03/25/2010 1:56:14 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: jnsun
Who owns the Media?

Near as I can tell, that would be Communists and Queers.

14 posted on 03/25/2010 1:57:44 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Heh. :)


15 posted on 03/25/2010 2:01:02 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
Ain't nothin' in the media but STEERS and QUEERS, and I don't see no horns ...
16 posted on 03/25/2010 2:09:54 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

:)

Seriously, though, it’s a disgrace, what’s happened since Vatican II. Looking back, how was this allowed to happen?


17 posted on 03/25/2010 2:29:42 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Lest anyone misunderstand, I’m referring to the gathering power of the Left and the homosexual and secular agendas.

The Church is all that is standing firm against the onslaught.


18 posted on 03/25/2010 2:33:02 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
Many folks, particularly in the Traditionalist movement, tend to idealize ("Golden Age") the mid XX Century. In many ways, it was a good time to be Catholic.

HOWEVER ...

"Modernism" had been explicitly condemned 50 years prior, yet the Church was infested with it. Teilhard de Chardin was a product of the 1920s ... he had many disciples.

Note that most of the priests and nuns, and ALL of the bishops who implemented the spurious "Spirit of Vatican II" had been trained and ordained (or consecrated) prior to Vatican II. Vatican II did not cause the destruction of so much of Catholic life, rather it was the excuse used by those who had wanted for a long time wreak destruction but didn't have the opportunity.

Many of these destroyers were and are queers. Queering the seminaries and inflicting effeminate "pastoral care" upon their parishoners was one method of destruction. It was tolerated and encouraged in many dioceses because the bishop himself was a fag. I offer Rembert the Vandal and the egregious Bernardin as examples.

The politically correct may protest, but faggotry and sexual abuse go together like stink and sewage.

Popes Paul VI and (to a lesser extent) John Paul II seemed unwilling to confront them, for a variety of reasons. This unwillingness would seem to have been an error in judgment. IMO. But they were in the hot seat, I was not.

19 posted on 03/25/2010 2:40:37 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: trisham
INDEED. The Church will always be God's strong bulwark against the godless.
20 posted on 03/25/2010 2:41:35 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer

Heck the media has nothing on a few bigots who post on the Religion Forum.


21 posted on 03/25/2010 2:42:33 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I could not agree more.


22 posted on 03/25/2010 2:42:44 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Yes, just as it has been throughout the centuries. After all, it was promised. :)


23 posted on 03/25/2010 2:44:01 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Hi, FRiend. :)


24 posted on 03/25/2010 2:44:29 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Helloz


25 posted on 03/25/2010 2:51:30 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: ArrogantBustard

“..they were in the hot seat, I was not”

I think there is some truth to this.

I remember a time when I was very disgruntled with things that the city council where I live either did or did not do. Then one day I found myself appointed to serve as one of two citizen advisory people to the council. I sat in on all the meetings for almost 2 years and was allowed to contribute to the discussions (just couldn’t vote).

It was the first time that I was able to have a first-hand experience of some of the knots and tangles and hurdles that governing a city can present. A lot of what we were able to consider depended a great deal on available good information, sound facts and reliable statistics.

I can only imagine what it is like to oversee the Church, even at the level of subsidiary.

I remember Archbishop Fulton Sheen telling about one of the times he met with Pope Paul VI. The Pope told Bishop Sheen that every night when he went to bed he put his head on a crown of thorns.


26 posted on 03/25/2010 2:52:31 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Running On Empty

I have always found “being in charge” to be a very humbling, and often frightening, experience.


27 posted on 03/25/2010 2:58:52 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Well said.

I believe satan has used and is using all of the -ism tools in his toolbox. Modernism, humanism, marxism, etc. etc. Cultural marxism’s m.o. is to rot all things of good and beauty from within, finding that more effective than the iron fist of armed revolution. Those things of good and beauty include the Church, the priesthood, the family, art, music, literature, language, church architecture, and so on.


28 posted on 03/25/2010 3:05:08 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: NYer

The media are Death Eaters. They don’t give a flying FReep about victims of sexual abuse: they think Intergenerational Same-Sex Intimacy is a natural right, and want people who say it’s wrong to be jailed. Their goal, which seems reasonable only to stupid people, is for the Church to say, “You’re right - adult-child sodomy is okay. What were we thinking all these years?”

Is it insane? Maybe. Maybe it’s simply demonic.


29 posted on 03/25/2010 3:08:58 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Never apologize - it's a sign of weakness.)
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To: Tax-chick

You got that right!


30 posted on 03/25/2010 3:14:14 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; trisham
Note that most of the priests and nuns, and ALL of the bishops who implemented the spurious "Spirit of Vatican II" had been trained and ordained (or consecrated) prior to Vatican II. Vatican II did not cause the destruction of so much of Catholic life, rather it was the excuse used by those who had wanted for a long time wreak destruction but didn't have the opportunity.

AB is right. Here in the Albany Diocese, one of the most progressive in the US, there are many sex abuse suits that had to be dropped because the priests (all ordained pre VCII) are now deceased.

This problem is not unique to the Catholic Church. There is plenty of blame to pass around. Unfortunately, as the only Church with a central authority figure, we are an easy target. Compound that with the strict and unshakable morals taught by the Church, and you have a willing audience of shooters. We need to pray for our Holy Father ... daily!

31 posted on 03/25/2010 3:23:20 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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AB knows his stuff! I said a prayer for Pope benedict today, and plan to make that at least a daily commitment.


32 posted on 03/25/2010 3:29:07 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

It’s the same line of reasoning, from the same filthy source, that’s used to attack the Boy Scouts: “The BSA has failed to prevent, completely, homosexual adults’ molesting boys. Therefore, they should stop trying and just turn the fags loose on the teens.

It’s stupid, it’s evil, and it’s absolutely infuriating. The people making these attacks *like* the behavior they’re using as a smokescreen. The hate the institution that stand in the way of universal acceptance of perversion.


33 posted on 03/25/2010 3:29:39 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Never apologize - it's a sign of weakness.)
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To: NYer
Oops. Pope Benedict.
34 posted on 03/25/2010 3:30:05 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Tax-chick

I absolutely agree.


35 posted on 03/25/2010 3:37:04 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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“Unfortunately, as the only Church with a central authority figure ... “

Huh?


36 posted on 03/25/2010 3:42:56 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marshmallow

Nope, not a word from “author” Rembert G. Weakland.


37 posted on 03/25/2010 3:43:05 PM PDT by onyx (Facts don't matter. Proof not required. Anything goes! Racial slurs, death threats.....)
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To: NYer

“Compound that with the strict and unshakable morals taught by the Church ... “

Huge falsity though when you have priests who don’t practice what they teach. Causes one to lose faith.


38 posted on 03/25/2010 3:44:39 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: sabe@q.com

Who is the head of the Baptist church?

The Anglican Not-Exactly-Communion-Anymore has the Archbishop of Canterbury, of course, but since he’s pro-sodomy, it’s irrelevant. Nobody attacks him over it ... but they go after the Bishops in Africa who are Christian.


39 posted on 03/25/2010 3:46:16 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Never apologize - it's a sign of weakness.)
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To: sabe@q.com
Causes one to lose faith.

Only if one's faith is in men rather than in God.

40 posted on 03/25/2010 3:46:58 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Never apologize - it's a sign of weakness.)
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To: Tax-chick

There are thousands of christian churches.


41 posted on 03/25/2010 3:47:31 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Many of these destroyers were and are queers. Queering the seminaries and inflicting effeminate "pastoral care" upon their parishoners was one method of destruction. It was tolerated and encouraged in many dioceses because the bishop himself was a fag. I offer Rembert the Vandal and the egregious Bernardin as examples.
The politically correct may protest, but faggotry and sexual abuse go together like stink and sewage

You're absolutely right about that. Grievously right.

42 posted on 03/25/2010 3:48:43 PM PDT by onyx (Facts don't matter. Proof not required. Anything goes! Racial slurs, death threats.....)
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To: sabe@q.com

True, and few, if any, have a worldwide individual leader. That was the original poster’s point to which you responded, “Huh?”

Perhaps I misunderstood the inarticulate monosyllable.


43 posted on 03/25/2010 3:48:58 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Never apologize - it's a sign of weakness.)
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To: Tax-chick

that kinda takes us back to that central authority figure comment doesn’t it


44 posted on 03/25/2010 3:49:13 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Tax-chick

Most born again christian churches have a central authority figure.


45 posted on 03/25/2010 3:50:47 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: trisham

I pray for our Pope Benedict XVI daily.

I think I’ll commit to praying the Rosary for him daily too.

Evil has the pedal to the medal aiming straight at him.


46 posted on 03/25/2010 3:53:35 PM PDT by onyx (Facts don't matter. Proof not required. Anything goes! Racial slurs, death threats.....)
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To: Just mythoughts

I agree we should always just automatically punish somebody on the basis of accusations. That will keep things neat.

Remember there was no canonical trial for the priest. And there is a statute of limitations in canon law.

The request for laicizing the priest was made long after the events in question, long after the accusations came to light and long after it would have done anything to protect any children from harm.


47 posted on 03/25/2010 3:54:03 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: onyx

Bless you, FRiend. :)


48 posted on 03/25/2010 3:54:44 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Yes indeed!!!


49 posted on 03/25/2010 3:55:53 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: trisham

Our Church will stand, but our Pope needs our prayers.
I love this Pope. He’s a GOOD man and Shepard.


50 posted on 03/25/2010 3:58:29 PM PDT by onyx (Facts don't matter. Proof not required. Anything goes! Racial slurs, death threats.....)
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