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Christians from political left and right sign 'Civility Covenant'
CNN ^ | March 25, 2010 | Dan Gilgoff

Posted on 03/26/2010 4:27:43 PM PDT by Colofornian

A group of more than 100 prominent Christians ranging from evangelical minister Jim Wallis on the political left to...Chuck Colson on the right released a document Thursday calling for an end to the fight club tone of the national political discourse.

...the "Civility Covenant"...says...churches have too often "reflected the political divisions of our culture rather than the unity we have in the body of Christ."

SNIP

...the covenant...has 114 signatories from a broad swath of Christian traditions, including the president of the National Association of Evangelicals, the head of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference and the general superintendent of the Assemblies of God...

The list...includes...conservative Christian leaders like Harry Jackson -- who led the unsuccessful fight against gay marriage in Washington -- to Morna Murray, president of the progressive Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, which is close to the Obama White House.

SNIP

Quoting the New Testament, the new covenant urges Christians to "put away from you all bitterness and wrath and anger and wrangling and slander, together with all malice, and be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ has forgiven you."

"We owe a certain responsibility to each other as believers," said Colson, an influential evangelical Christian voice. "This doesn't mean I haven't challenged some people's theology. But the document says we're not going to challenge each other's motives or engage in ad hominem attacks."

SNIP

...Wallis organized a boycott of Beck's show but says the timing of the covenant's release is incidental.

Colson said the document "wouldn't apply to Glenn Beck because we're talking about the conversation in the family of believers ... Glenn Beck is a Mormon."

Many Christians don't consider Mormons...to be Christians, though Mormons consider themselves Christian...

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TOPICS: Ecumenism; Evangelical Christian; Other Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: beck; christendom; christians; civility; colson; glennbeck; inman; jimwallis; lds; mormon; mormon1; religiousleft; wallis
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From the article: Colson said the document "wouldn't apply to Glenn Beck because we're talking about the conversation in the family of believers ... Glenn Beck is a Mormon." Many Christians don't consider Mormons -- members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- to be Christians, though Mormons consider themselves Christian.

Good discernment, Chuck.

This excerpt pretty much sums up why Colson signed the statement: "We owe a certain responsibility to each other as believers," said Colson, an influential evangelical Christian voice. "This doesn't mean I haven't challenged some people's theology. But the document says we're not going to challenge each other's motives or engage in ad hominem attacks."

This needs to extend to online forums like FR. We can't judge the inner heart-motive; only God can see that (1 Samuel 16:7).

We can also distinguish challenging the message vs. attacking the person.

1 posted on 03/26/2010 4:27:44 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Wonderful!

The Christians turn the other cheek, AGAIN!

That’s just SOOOOOOO good for the Republic.

Oh, and the anti-Religion communists too, lest we forget their aims.

They’ll rip off the other cheek to, Christians.


2 posted on 03/26/2010 4:30:32 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Colofornian

Ecumenism is ALWAYS deadly to the Truth.


3 posted on 03/26/2010 4:30:38 PM PDT by fwdude (It is not the liberals who will destroy this country, but the "moderates.")
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To: Colofornian

I plan to be civil because I am a Christian. From what I’ve seen and heard from this guy Jim Wallis, he has perverted the Gospel and isn’t a true Christian.


4 posted on 03/26/2010 4:30:50 PM PDT by bamagirl1944 (That's short for Alabama, not Obama)
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To: Colofornian

Letting the democrats pull their puppet strings.


5 posted on 03/26/2010 4:31:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Colofornian

commie Wallis ... that’s all I needed to know.

This is a joke, to make the tea parties go away. Not going to work. So why is a community organizer who doesn’t have the brains to run a successful lemonade stand scared so much about community organizations now ... Interestingly curious isn’t it.


6 posted on 03/26/2010 4:31:33 PM PDT by Tarpon ( ...Rude crude socialist Obama depends on ignorance to force his will on people)
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To: Colofornian

***Colson said the document “wouldn’t apply to Glenn Beck because we’re talking about the conversation in the family of believers ... Glenn Beck is a Mormon.”***

Say Chucky - Jesus loves you, yes he do!


7 posted on 03/26/2010 4:31:39 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: Colofornian

The next step is to make it a hate crime to criticize people you disagree with. Don’t these idiots realize that if they’re signing this stupid agreement, they’re obviously not the ones causing the problem. I swear this is all another setup.

Stop the madness!


8 posted on 03/26/2010 4:31:40 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: Colofornian

History repeating again and again.

The left fights dirty, wins, then says we need to stop fighting.

repeat

The left fights dirty, wins, then says we need to stop fighting.


9 posted on 03/26/2010 4:32:48 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: Colofornian

In theory this sounds good, it really means however that the right is to shut up and the left goes on their merry way doing and saying what they want.


10 posted on 03/26/2010 4:34:37 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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Jesus DID throw out the money chargers from the Temple.

Having righteous outrage at theives and liars is no sin.

Destorying property? Rocks? Sniper attacks? no.

This is a declaration of economic war against the producers of this country. To rob us and then kill us with their phony “health care” bill.

The coming avalanche of the loss of freedom is going try to slowly crush the middle class, like a frog in warm water when the gas has just been turned on.

There is a way to stop this insanity. But it will take a large amount of anger and willingness to stand up, to do it.

The crux of this current economic mess is the Credit Swaps. These CDS’s are “insurance” for the mortgage backed securities, MBS, that they made up and sold. They are dependent on a steady stream of money from mortgages. This is what is holding up the Federal government, and even the FED has this “stuff” on its books right now.

Don’t pay the mortgage. This WILL collapse the system. It will kill the dollar, it will kill the ability of this country to get “loans”, they wouldn’t be able to PAY FOR ANY OF THIS TO THEIR CRONIES, PUBLIC SERVANTS, if we push this system over the cliff.

Think about it. It would work, but are enough people willing to give the government a push, are enough people awake to want to think outside the box?


11 posted on 03/26/2010 4:35:09 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Boucheau
Again...Colson indicates this is dealing with believer to believer as part of the broad "Body of Christ." (It isn't a statement for how we deal w/outsiders; although it's not as though we're to be "uncivil" toward them, as well...here are the apostle Paul's words on that:)

5Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. 6Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone. (Col. 4:5-6)

12 posted on 03/26/2010 4:35:21 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

How about these “Christians” stick to religious type stuff?


13 posted on 03/26/2010 4:35:26 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Colofornian
Colson is misguided.

Wallis teaches the Marxist gospel.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

14 posted on 03/26/2010 4:35:41 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Colofornian

I’m generally civil because I’m civil. Not because I sign something and not because I agree to be.

I personally would never sign anything that has Jim Wallis’ signature.

The remark that Wallis doesn’t have to be civil to Beck because Beck is a mormon is proof to me of how empty this thing is. Wallis is a marxist. If you can be civil to a marxist you can be civil to a mormon. Are marxists to be construed as members of our “family of believers” now? More sleight of hand and more reason not to engage in this kind of clownery.


15 posted on 03/26/2010 4:36:06 PM PDT by marron
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To: Colofornian
Sorry Colofornian, those on the Left are not Christians.

Colson was wrong, he compromised.

They don't lead Holy lives, they don't believe in the righteousness of the bible or the fallibility of the bible.

They cannot be Christians and believe either in Gay Marriage or Abortions.

Being Born-Again, as Christ commanded us to be in the New Testament, implies, in context, that All things are new, old things have passed away.

You cannot be a Christian and either practice sin (as clearly defined in the Bible) or believe that it is OK for others to practice sin.

1 John 3

1. Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

4. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

5. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

6. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
16 posted on 03/26/2010 4:37:04 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Boucheau

If you’re not a Christian you have nothing to worry about, just like Mr. Beck. Christians can be civil and still speak the truth.


17 posted on 03/26/2010 4:37:22 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Colofornian
The lambs are lying down with the lions.

I hear they make delicious shish kebobs because they are so delicate, tender and never tough even when they know they'll be roasted alive.

Leni

18 posted on 03/26/2010 4:37:26 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Bill O'Reilly: 9/8/09: "Communism is not a threat to us anymore"-10/20/09: "Obama is not a Marxist")
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To: Boucheau

evangelical minister Jim Wallis

He’s just not loud as Rev. Wright. Just as insane, but not as loud.


19 posted on 03/26/2010 4:37:35 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: Colofornian

Sorry... But these guys can go screw themselves as well...


20 posted on 03/26/2010 4:37:44 PM PDT by myself6
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To: Colofornian

“Christians from political left and right sign ‘Civility Covenant”

“Christians” from the political left do not exist, these are Socialists using Christianity as cover for their politics and I’ll not be “civil” to them in any way, shape, matter or form.


21 posted on 03/26/2010 4:37:57 PM PDT by Grunthor (Over YOUR dead body!)
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To: Colofornian
Many Christians don't consider Mormons -- members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- to be Christians, though Mormons consider themselves Christian.

Yep. And lds consider everyone else (not lds) as "whores of Babylon".

22 posted on 03/26/2010 4:37:58 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: Colofornian

“we’re not going to challenge each other’s motives”

This is called unilateral disarmament. The issue IS the motives of the left, which need to be exposed.


23 posted on 03/26/2010 4:39:21 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: TruthConquers
Jesus DID throw out the money chargers from the Temple.

Jesus, the apostle Paul (Acts 17-18), and Apollos (Acts 18) were all harshest on the religious legalists of that era 2,000 years ago. The apostle Paul treated the polytheistic pagans very well on Mars Hill (Acts 17), speaking sensitively to them.

Colson in his quote makes sure people understand that he wasn't referencing the religious legalists of our day -- best represented by the precept/commandment/ordinance monger Mormons. So apparently the document covers how one Christian treats another.

Jesus didn't define the legalistic Pharisees and teachers of the law as God's people; in fact, per John 8, He said their father was Satan.

24 posted on 03/26/2010 4:40:03 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Leftist Christians is like virgin prostitutes.


25 posted on 03/26/2010 4:40:19 PM PDT by MNDude (The Republican Congress Economy--1995-2007)
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To: Colofornian
...Wallis organized a boycott of Beck's show but says the timing of the covenant's release is incidental.

I just found out recently that he was a Mormon. The few times I'd listened to him, he never made that an issue or commented on it so I didn't know.

I disagree with Glenn Beck's theology but that is all I disagree with him on and I am not going to boycott his show because of that. He's getting information out that needs to be heard.

26 posted on 03/26/2010 4:40:19 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Colofornian

Why do some people always apoint themselves as the voice of the people? That tends to infuriate me, you do not speak for me.


27 posted on 03/26/2010 4:40:26 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: fwdude
Ecumenism is ALWAYS deadly to the Truth.

From experience on the Religion Forum, I wholeheartedly agree.

28 posted on 03/26/2010 4:40:30 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes.)
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To: marron
I’m generally civil because I’m civil. Not because I sign something and not because I agree to be.

Exactly. And guys like Wallis will want to hold the right to a standard he and the left have no intent of holding themselves to.
29 posted on 03/26/2010 4:41:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: marron; All
I personally would never sign anything that has Jim Wallis’ signature.

Well, I would certainly agree that Wallis has raised mega red flags in his writings. But as Colson says, it doesn't mean we don't challenge Wallis. It means that as we do it, we keep our tones in check.

So, what's wrong with keeping our content challenges the same for people like Wallis, but exercising self-discipline of our tone???

30 posted on 03/26/2010 4:43:04 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Jim Wallis on the political left to...Chuck Colson

Chuck Colson'll sign all sorts of stuff.

31 posted on 03/26/2010 4:43:05 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: All
My reply to the request from the LEFT is a simple one;

Praise the Lord;

And pass the ammunition


32 posted on 03/26/2010 4:45:22 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: Colofornian
COVENANT
A "civility convenant"? Ya' well...we know all about those.
33 posted on 03/26/2010 4:46:14 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (Will work for ammo)
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To: Colofornian

“Many Christians don’t consider Mormons...to be Christians, though Mormons consider themselves Christian...”

Well, from what I can tell, the Mormons know a communist when they see one—and they know what to do with him!

ALL Christians had better wake up to the fact that your enemy is at the gate.

I know you can come up with more than a few scriptures detailing how you should let your would-be murderers in, for kindness’ sake.

But they will not reciprocate your kindness—they will destroy you.


34 posted on 03/26/2010 4:46:40 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Colofornian
Some "persons" are "evil".

I'm sorry, Christian theology does not say that we must bow down to the servants of Moloch and worship his image.

35 posted on 03/26/2010 4:46:46 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: cripplecreek
Letting the democrats pull their puppet strings.

EXACTALLY. This is NOT the same tactic Republicans Paul Weyrich, Howard Phillips, and DEM Jerry Falwell used when they formed the Conservative grassroots group The Moral Majority. They instead united ministers and those willing to fight for a common goal one of which Reagan wisely rose all the way to the White House. This is nothing more than an attempt to silence the churches & Pulpits at a time they should be screaming the loudest in outrage.

36 posted on 03/26/2010 4:48:07 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Colofornian

“Having righteous outrage at thieves and liars is no sin.”

To those who are false, to those who think they are ENTILED to my labor for free, I will stand against them whether they CALL themselves Christian or not.


37 posted on 03/26/2010 4:48:23 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: MNDude
Leftist Christians is like virgin prostitutes.

Well, there's certainly got a be a "boundary" somewhere.

A "leftist" Christian in the 1940s would probably be deemed a "moderate" today -- and "conservative" on many social issues!

So as the culture has moved left, and if the "leftist" liberal "Christian" is...
...comparable to a flaming 1940s "liberal" non-Christian...
...and barely to the right or barely discernible from other cultural liberals in circa 2010...
...there'd have to be at least some recognition that at some point the further one moves left with the culture, calling oneself a "Christian" no longer correlates!

38 posted on 03/26/2010 4:48:41 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: myself6

Yeah, this Christian wants tottell Colson and Wallis “Take your Civility Covenant and shove it!”


39 posted on 03/26/2010 4:49:13 PM PDT by cammie
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To: MNDude

“Leftist Christians is like virgin prostitutes.”

Although I’m not the ultimate judge of their hearts, I was thinking the same thing. It seems to me to be kind of an oxymoron given the support for abortion on the left.


40 posted on 03/26/2010 4:49:16 PM PDT by ThomasSawyer (Democratic Underground: Proof that anyone can figure out how to use a computer.)
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To: Colofornian
the "Civility Covenant"...says...churches have too often "reflected the political divisions of our culture rather than the unity we have in the body of Christ."

Colson starts off wrong. Instead of falsely including them in the Body of Christ, he should have called them to Repentence.

Given he gets this wrong, I have a hard time believing he is accurately discerning the problem.
41 posted on 03/26/2010 4:49:40 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Colofornian

Leftists who masquerade as religious hate being called on it. Wallis is passing this thing around trying to preempt any criticism of the marxists who are infiltrating churches.

Beck is right. If your church is promoting marxist “social justice” you need to get down the road. If your church is promoting gay marriage and elevating unrepentant homosexuals into positions of authority, you need to get down the road.

If you don’t like that a mormon is saying it, fine. It doesn’t make it less true. This applies to catholics and evangelicals and high-church protestants as well. If your priest or minister is promoting marxism disguised as gospel, find another church or parish. If you can get him replaced, great, but if you can’t, move on.


42 posted on 03/26/2010 4:50:53 PM PDT by marron
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To: Colofornian
the "Civility Covenant"...says...churches have too often "reflected the political divisions of our culture rather than the unity we have in the body of Christ."

Sorry, but you're getting it wrong.

A Christian is only a Christian if he is born-again. A person can call themselves a Christian all day long, but if their life does not reflect the Love of God, and they are not living above sin in their own life, it is a false title.
43 posted on 03/26/2010 4:51:55 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: bamagirl1944
From what I’ve seen and heard from this guy Jim Wallis, he has perverted the Gospel and isn’t a true Christian.

Agreed. I don't pretend to know anyone's heart (that's God's domain) - but this fellow Wallis, who postures as a 'Christian' of some sorts, is not preaching Christ crucified, Risen, and Reigning. He's preaching some kind of marxist, Big Government is 'god', blasphemy...

Galatians 1:7b-8
... but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

I certainly wouldn't be signing anything with Wallis' name on it...

44 posted on 03/26/2010 4:52:24 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: svcw

bitttt


45 posted on 03/26/2010 4:52:51 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: Boucheau

I suspect there’s an attempt to infect the traditional churches with the whole marxist liberation theology thing.

There was a “white pride” rally near me last weekend that consisted of 10 people. Now the local churches both left and right have joined up to hold a “unity” march. All over 10 morons claiming to be racist in a town that doesn’t have a history of racism.

There is something very suspect going on in America.


46 posted on 03/26/2010 4:52:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Boucheau

So, what then? Do we shoot to kill everyone who disagrees with us? If we’re not supposed to be civil, then what?

Remember something: The Christians that were persecuted by the Roman Empire were burned at the stake, crucified, fed to lions, attacked, ridiculed, and so forth. In no instance I can ever remember did I ever hear of them fighting back.

Meek is not weak. It is power under control. We can rationally argue our case without being ‘in your face’. We can be civil. Commies, libs, and Marxists cannot. They attack us, who looks better?

Yes...we turn the other cheek. If you’re a Christian, even if you are KILLED, it matters not. WE know where we GO when we’re done on this Earth. And we know where THEY go as well.


47 posted on 03/26/2010 4:53:08 PM PDT by hoagy62 (.)
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To: MNDude
Leftist Christians is like virgin prostitutes.

Leftist Christians are more like Jewish Nazis. They do understand that the Democratic party hates Christians, right?

48 posted on 03/26/2010 4:53:32 PM PDT by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: Boucheau

I wouldn’t sign anything with the devil democraps. Screw them.

I HATE every liberal out there and am proud to say it. If they all die tonight, I would celebrate tomorrow, especially if our gay muslim communist pig prez goes first.

I guess I’m not a good Christian, but I am a good American. LOL


49 posted on 03/26/2010 4:57:47 PM PDT by bfree (The revolution is coming and it will be violent--FUBO)
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To: hoagy62
Meek is not weak. It is power under control.

Yes, you are right. We are civil because we are civil. We are civil generally even when our opponents are not. We generally treat everyone with respect, even our opponents, because that is the way we are, or at least, that is how we aspire to be.

But if a communist asks you to sign an agreement promising to be civil, when you are civil anyway by nature, you should probably check the fine print. Or better yet, keep your pen in your pocket.

50 posted on 03/26/2010 5:00:02 PM PDT by marron
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