Skip to comments.Christians from political left and right sign 'Civility Covenant'
Posted on 03/26/2010 4:27:43 PM PDT by Colofornian
A group of more than 100 prominent Christians ranging from evangelical minister Jim Wallis on the political left to...Chuck Colson on the right released a document Thursday calling for an end to the fight club tone of the national political discourse.
...the "Civility Covenant"...says...churches have too often "reflected the political divisions of our culture rather than the unity we have in the body of Christ."
...the covenant...has 114 signatories from a broad swath of Christian traditions, including the president of the National Association of Evangelicals, the head of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference and the general superintendent of the Assemblies of God...
The list...includes...conservative Christian leaders like Harry Jackson -- who led the unsuccessful fight against gay marriage in Washington -- to Morna Murray, president of the progressive Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, which is close to the Obama White House.
Quoting the New Testament, the new covenant urges Christians to "put away from you all bitterness and wrath and anger and wrangling and slander, together with all malice, and be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ has forgiven you."
"We owe a certain responsibility to each other as believers," said Colson, an influential evangelical Christian voice. "This doesn't mean I haven't challenged some people's theology. But the document says we're not going to challenge each other's motives or engage in ad hominem attacks."
...Wallis organized a boycott of Beck's show but says the timing of the covenant's release is incidental.
Colson said the document "wouldn't apply to Glenn Beck because we're talking about the conversation in the family of believers ... Glenn Beck is a Mormon."
Many Christians don't consider Mormons...to be Christians, though Mormons consider themselves Christian...
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
Good discernment, Chuck.
This excerpt pretty much sums up why Colson signed the statement: "We owe a certain responsibility to each other as believers," said Colson, an influential evangelical Christian voice. "This doesn't mean I haven't challenged some people's theology. But the document says we're not going to challenge each other's motives or engage in ad hominem attacks."
This needs to extend to online forums like FR. We can't judge the inner heart-motive; only God can see that (1 Samuel 16:7).
We can also distinguish challenging the message vs. attacking the person.
The Christians turn the other cheek, AGAIN!
That’s just SOOOOOOO good for the Republic.
Oh, and the anti-Religion communists too, lest we forget their aims.
They’ll rip off the other cheek to, Christians.
Ecumenism is ALWAYS deadly to the Truth.
I plan to be civil because I am a Christian. From what I’ve seen and heard from this guy Jim Wallis, he has perverted the Gospel and isn’t a true Christian.
Letting the democrats pull their puppet strings.
commie Wallis ... that’s all I needed to know.
This is a joke, to make the tea parties go away. Not going to work. So why is a community organizer who doesn’t have the brains to run a successful lemonade stand scared so much about community organizations now ... Interestingly curious isn’t it.
***Colson said the document “wouldn’t apply to Glenn Beck because we’re talking about the conversation in the family of believers ... Glenn Beck is a Mormon.”***
Say Chucky - Jesus loves you, yes he do!
The next step is to make it a hate crime to criticize people you disagree with. Don’t these idiots realize that if they’re signing this stupid agreement, they’re obviously not the ones causing the problem. I swear this is all another setup.
Stop the madness!
History repeating again and again.
The left fights dirty, wins, then says we need to stop fighting.
The left fights dirty, wins, then says we need to stop fighting.
In theory this sounds good, it really means however that the right is to shut up and the left goes on their merry way doing and saying what they want.
Jesus DID throw out the money chargers from the Temple.
Having righteous outrage at theives and liars is no sin.
Destorying property? Rocks? Sniper attacks? no.
This is a declaration of economic war against the producers of this country. To rob us and then kill us with their phony health care bill.
The coming avalanche of the loss of freedom is going try to slowly crush the middle class, like a frog in warm water when the gas has just been turned on.
There is a way to stop this insanity. But it will take a large amount of anger and willingness to stand up, to do it.
The crux of this current economic mess is the Credit Swaps. These CDSs are insurance for the mortgage backed securities, MBS, that they made up and sold. They are dependent on a steady stream of money from mortgages. This is what is holding up the Federal government, and even the FED has this stuff on its books right now.
Dont pay the mortgage. This WILL collapse the system. It will kill the dollar, it will kill the ability of this country to get loans, they wouldnt be able to PAY FOR ANY OF THIS TO THEIR CRONIES, PUBLIC SERVANTS, if we push this system over the cliff.
Think about it. It would work, but are enough people willing to give the government a push, are enough people awake to want to think outside the box?
5Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. 6Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone. (Col. 4:5-6)
How about these “Christians” stick to religious type stuff?
Colson is misguided.shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Wallis teaches the Marxist gospel.
I’m generally civil because I’m civil. Not because I sign something and not because I agree to be.
I personally would never sign anything that has Jim Wallis’ signature.
The remark that Wallis doesn’t have to be civil to Beck because Beck is a mormon is proof to me of how empty this thing is. Wallis is a marxist. If you can be civil to a marxist you can be civil to a mormon. Are marxists to be construed as members of our “family of believers” now? More sleight of hand and more reason not to engage in this kind of clownery.
If you’re not a Christian you have nothing to worry about, just like Mr. Beck. Christians can be civil and still speak the truth.
I hear they make delicious shish kebobs because they are so delicate, tender and never tough even when they know they'll be roasted alive.
evangelical minister Jim Wallis
He’s just not loud as Rev. Wright. Just as insane, but not as loud.
Sorry... But these guys can go screw themselves as well...
“Christians from political left and right sign ‘Civility Covenant”
“Christians” from the political left do not exist, these are Socialists using Christianity as cover for their politics and I’ll not be “civil” to them in any way, shape, matter or form.
Yep. And lds consider everyone else (not lds) as "whores of Babylon".
“we’re not going to challenge each other’s motives”
This is called unilateral disarmament. The issue IS the motives of the left, which need to be exposed.
Jesus, the apostle Paul (Acts 17-18), and Apollos (Acts 18) were all harshest on the religious legalists of that era 2,000 years ago. The apostle Paul treated the polytheistic pagans very well on Mars Hill (Acts 17), speaking sensitively to them.
Colson in his quote makes sure people understand that he wasn't referencing the religious legalists of our day -- best represented by the precept/commandment/ordinance monger Mormons. So apparently the document covers how one Christian treats another.
Jesus didn't define the legalistic Pharisees and teachers of the law as God's people; in fact, per John 8, He said their father was Satan.
Leftist Christians is like virgin prostitutes.
I just found out recently that he was a Mormon. The few times I'd listened to him, he never made that an issue or commented on it so I didn't know.
I disagree with Glenn Beck's theology but that is all I disagree with him on and I am not going to boycott his show because of that. He's getting information out that needs to be heard.
Why do some people always apoint themselves as the voice of the people? That tends to infuriate me, you do not speak for me.
From experience on the Religion Forum, I wholeheartedly agree.
Well, I would certainly agree that Wallis has raised mega red flags in his writings. But as Colson says, it doesn't mean we don't challenge Wallis. It means that as we do it, we keep our tones in check.
So, what's wrong with keeping our content challenges the same for people like Wallis, but exercising self-discipline of our tone???
Jim Wallis on the political left to...Chuck Colson
Chuck Colson'll sign all sorts of stuff.
“Many Christians don’t consider Mormons...to be Christians, though Mormons consider themselves Christian...”
Well, from what I can tell, the Mormons know a communist when they see one—and they know what to do with him!
ALL Christians had better wake up to the fact that your enemy is at the gate.
I know you can come up with more than a few scriptures detailing how you should let your would-be murderers in, for kindness’ sake.
But they will not reciprocate your kindness—they will destroy you.
I'm sorry, Christian theology does not say that we must bow down to the servants of Moloch and worship his image.
EXACTALLY. This is NOT the same tactic Republicans Paul Weyrich, Howard Phillips, and DEM Jerry Falwell used when they formed the Conservative grassroots group The Moral Majority. They instead united ministers and those willing to fight for a common goal one of which Reagan wisely rose all the way to the White House. This is nothing more than an attempt to silence the churches & Pulpits at a time they should be screaming the loudest in outrage.
“Having righteous outrage at thieves and liars is no sin.”
To those who are false, to those who think they are ENTILED to my labor for free, I will stand against them whether they CALL themselves Christian or not.
Well, there's certainly got a be a "boundary" somewhere.
A "leftist" Christian in the 1940s would probably be deemed a "moderate" today -- and "conservative" on many social issues!
So as the culture has moved left, and if the "leftist" liberal "Christian" is...
...comparable to a flaming 1940s "liberal" non-Christian...
...and barely to the right or barely discernible from other cultural liberals in circa 2010...
...there'd have to be at least some recognition that at some point the further one moves left with the culture, calling oneself a "Christian" no longer correlates!
Yeah, this Christian wants tottell Colson and Wallis “Take your Civility Covenant and shove it!”
“Leftist Christians is like virgin prostitutes.”
Although I’m not the ultimate judge of their hearts, I was thinking the same thing. It seems to me to be kind of an oxymoron given the support for abortion on the left.
Leftists who masquerade as religious hate being called on it. Wallis is passing this thing around trying to preempt any criticism of the marxists who are infiltrating churches.
Beck is right. If your church is promoting marxist “social justice” you need to get down the road. If your church is promoting gay marriage and elevating unrepentant homosexuals into positions of authority, you need to get down the road.
If you don’t like that a mormon is saying it, fine. It doesn’t make it less true. This applies to catholics and evangelicals and high-church protestants as well. If your priest or minister is promoting marxism disguised as gospel, find another church or parish. If you can get him replaced, great, but if you can’t, move on.
Agreed. I don't pretend to know anyone's heart (that's God's domain) - but this fellow Wallis, who postures as a 'Christian' of some sorts, is not preaching Christ crucified, Risen, and Reigning. He's preaching some kind of marxist, Big Government is 'god', blasphemy...
... but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
I certainly wouldn't be signing anything with Wallis' name on it...
I suspect there’s an attempt to infect the traditional churches with the whole marxist liberation theology thing.
There was a “white pride” rally near me last weekend that consisted of 10 people. Now the local churches both left and right have joined up to hold a “unity” march. All over 10 morons claiming to be racist in a town that doesn’t have a history of racism.
There is something very suspect going on in America.
So, what then? Do we shoot to kill everyone who disagrees with us? If we’re not supposed to be civil, then what?
Remember something: The Christians that were persecuted by the Roman Empire were burned at the stake, crucified, fed to lions, attacked, ridiculed, and so forth. In no instance I can ever remember did I ever hear of them fighting back.
Meek is not weak. It is power under control. We can rationally argue our case without being ‘in your face’. We can be civil. Commies, libs, and Marxists cannot. They attack us, who looks better?
Yes...we turn the other cheek. If you’re a Christian, even if you are KILLED, it matters not. WE know where we GO when we’re done on this Earth. And we know where THEY go as well.
Leftist Christians are more like Jewish Nazis. They do understand that the Democratic party hates Christians, right?
I wouldn’t sign anything with the devil democraps. Screw them.
I HATE every liberal out there and am proud to say it. If they all die tonight, I would celebrate tomorrow, especially if our gay muslim communist pig prez goes first.
I guess I’m not a good Christian, but I am a good American. LOL
Yes, you are right. We are civil because we are civil. We are civil generally even when our opponents are not. We generally treat everyone with respect, even our opponents, because that is the way we are, or at least, that is how we aspire to be.
But if a communist asks you to sign an agreement promising to be civil, when you are civil anyway by nature, you should probably check the fine print. Or better yet, keep your pen in your pocket.