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It is sad and it happens far too often. The LDS claim they put families first but if only part of the family is ‘worthy’ or a member family values go out the window.
Amazing insight into the mormon Cult. Here’s a MOM who was locked-out of her son’s wedding because the MOM was not in the mormon Cult. How brainwashed is the son? He didn’t have the guts to allow his own MOM to experience the wedding? How incredibly wrong is the mormon cult to disallow anyone to a Wedding? More mormon sadness created. Big surprise.
this is standard....nonMormons don’t realize the ramifications of a child doing this until they’re locked out.....its part of the Mormon religion that they don’t talk about on tv.....it wouldn’t go over well with the Amercian people if knew of it....as far as most Americans go, the Mormon church is basically the Osmond family....
Why did the man consent to get married in a LDS church at all? Puzzling.
I went to high school with a Mormon girl - her mother divorced her father, he did not want it.
When she got married at the DC Mormon Temple [looks like the Emerald City - in white], her father was allowed to be there - her mother wasn’t ...
Years before I converted to Catholicism, I fell in love with a non-practicing Mormon boy and he with me. I knew a bit about the faith, and when he decided to become a practicing Mormon boy, again, I learned more. I knew it was a path I could not follow with him, and I didn’t tell him that was one of the reasons I was breaking his heart. He went on a mission and much later met and married a Mormon girl and was married in the temple. When he returned to the church, he changed so much, it was like he was brainwashed.
I have respect for the family values of the Mormon church, and I have dear friends who belong. It is not a spiritual path I can follow, and I raise my Catholic children to know that not all churches are alike.
*8and I raise my Catholic children to know that not all churches are alike.**
God bless you!
And now the Cult locks-out a Mom from her own son's Wedding?
Curious.....what is more legally accepted - a Wedding in Vegas with an Elvis impersonator or one in a Cult temple?
Elvis impersonator, any time. Obviously.
Horse tripe.
The Mormon Temple is for Mormons. It always has been, it always will be. In fact, it is not even for all Mormons. I am not sure what the requirements are because I am not a Mormon, but I do know they are stringent.
He chose to have a Temple wedding. He knew what that meant. If his family doesn’t like it, they can take it up with him. Do not expect the Mormon Church to cater to YOUR viewpoints just because it suits your convenience.
That is just as despicable as gays demanding a Catholic Church wedding.
Good for you. I ran into the same thing myself.
It’s hard sometimes. They have asked me many times, and I have told them that I’m very happy in my Catholic faith.
“That is just as despicable as gays demanding a Catholic Church wedding”
Well true, but the Mormans are the gay people here. This is why they are not, and will never be Christian in the same way as the folks who approve of gay marriage will never be Christian either.
LOL! Sure about that? A wedding is between one Man and One Woman.........so why does a Cult not allow the MOM of the Groom?
And please don't attempt any other comparisons, please. That made zero sense to me.
And there is an obviously misguided Cult called mormonism. Prayers going out.
You have the right to your beliefs and the sanctity or your sacraments, Mormons have a right to theirs.
You want to call Mormonism a cult, that is also your right.
Beating up on them for a church policy that has been a policy as long as they have been a church is petty and disingenuous.
Insufferable tripe... smells to high heaven.
Ronin:
Seriously, there was another option that would have been completely inclusive for everyone.
Church Doctrine allows a couple to marry outside the temple. They can be sealed to each other after waiting only one year.
The newlyweds have robbed a mother and family of sharing in the ceremony, for no reason.
It’s an intensely theological ritual and I can see why Mormons wouldn’t want people there who don’t believe in it and/or don’t understand what’s going on — same as with all the other rituals that occur in the temple. And it’s not just non-Mormons or “unworthy” Mormons that aren’t allowed to attend. No unendowed Mormons may attend, and that often includes young adult (and younger) siblings of the bride and groom, even those who are scheduled to be endowed a week or two later. The temple sealing ceremony just doesn’t have a comparable role in the LDS religion as wedding ceremonies in other Christian religions (where the “who’s invited” policy doesn’t generally differ from that of secular or atheist weddings). Many relatives and close friends who are Mormons in good standing travel to the city where the sealing and subsequent social events are, but are not present in the temple for the sealing, either because they are not yet endowed, or because there just isn’t room for everybody. Per LDS Church sources aimed at couples planning a temple sealing, most sealing rooms hold 50 or fewer people (and I would expect that in the smaller temples it’s a lot fewer). Given the size of many Mormon families, it’s the norm that not all close relatives will be able to attend the sealing even if they’re endowed.
All the wailing about this just strikes me as indicative of the insane emphasis our society places on The Wedding. I get sick to death of hearing brides yakking about all the details of their wedding for months in advance, and even sicker when I think of the insane amounts of money usually being spent on these affairs. The actual *marriage* seems to get lost in the Big Day hoopla.
A couple of years back, a co-worker who’d recently had his first child told me was going to try to quit smoking “because I’d like to live long enough to see my daughter walk down the aisle”. The poor little girl wasn’t even old enough to crawl yet, and already her father had decided that her trip “down the aisle” with nobody-knows-who was going to be the highlight of her life. The heck with all that stuff that supposed to come afterwards.
Petty? Disingenuous? Am I allowed to criticize Islam? Am I allowed to criticize the Inquisition? What makes LDS off limits? I can go to a Jewish wedding. I can go to a Hindu wedding. I bet can go to a Muslim wedding too. So why, exactly, isn't LDS doctrine open to question?
Right on.
Gee, you sure seem like a level-headed critic (not). I think you just set the world record for using the word “cult”. You need a hug and a drink, and then maybe you can relax and not feel so threatened by a bunch of good people. Your seething anger will cut years off of your life, so find a more constructive hobby. Good luck with that
Sorry. That’s the way it is.
Furthermore, from what I understand, if his mother was a baptized but non-practicing Mormon she would not have been allowed to attend either. Nor are faithful Mormon children below a certain age who have not entered the proper disciplines and blessings.
Temple rites are special to Mormons. Period. That’s the way they do things. That is the way they have ALWAYS done things.
Catholics have special ways of doing things, too.
I will mention only the Confessional and the Eucharist. Nobody is allowed into a Confessional with the Penitent sinner.
No one, no matter how wonderful a Christian that person may be, is welcome to partake of Communion if they are not Catholic.
Back in the day when Bill Clinton showed contempt for Catholic doctrine and beliefs by taking Communion in South Africa, I stood shoulder to shoulder with the Catholics who said he was wrong and should not have done so.
This is the same thing. Mormons have receptions after the weddings where gentiles are welcome. I have been to several. To expect to be allowed entry into the Temple itself, during that sacrament, is not realistic.
Sorry.. that’s still inhumane for a religion that would love to be mainstream so ... guess that’s the way it is ... and that’s the way they will be judged and seen. They follow their path and the judgment on them will also follow.
Nanny, nanny, pooh pooh. "these people are not Christians and those people are not Chrsitians". People like you a joke and give all "Christians" a bad name. I am pretty sure God will sort it all out and I bet he has a few things to say to some of you so-called Christian confimationists, and you will feel ashamed when he says it. I don't go to any church because people like you are there. Grow up and take a chill pill, prophet Ben.
So after going on and on about how important the "sealing" is -- too important to be viewed by infidels -- you back that up by arguing that weddings are over emphasized. You choose your values and I'll choose mine.
Your argument is cold hearted and shows a complete ignorance of the historical importance of weddings, not to mention the love "gentiles" have for their children.
I don’t know if you remember when that DC temple was built, but for a month or so after it was completed it was open to the public. Everyone knew that that would be their one opportunity to see the inside. Once it was blessed (or whatever term Mormons use) it would forever be closed to anyone who’s not a Mormon in good standing.
If a Mormon marries a non-Mormon, they aren’t married in the Temple, but in another area of the church building. If the spouse later converts, there’s another, more blessed ceremony in the Temple.
My daughter once dated a very practicing Mormon and it scared the hell out of me to think that if she ever converted (unlikely, but one never knows) and married that man, our family would have been excluded from (but expected to pay for) the ceremony.
You don’t go to church because *you* don’t go to church. God is holy. The people at church are sinners. Some understand Him better than others, but that doesn’t change the Lord or how you relate to Him.
It’s obvious that you believe in the difference between right and wrong. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be arguing.
Many of us believe that there is only One God. A church that teaches that men can become gods of their own planets in another life can’t be Christian. I believe that the Lord will, as you say, sort it all out for those who somehow do believe that Jesus is His Son, in spite of being taught that men can become gods.
and he could have had another ceremony in his local chapel and she would have been welcome. Sounds like maybe he's taken so many years of bashing about the church he chose, he chose not to have the other ceremony.
That said, when my dear little grandson was baptized - in a Catholic church, I was not allowed to attend as I was a Mormon.
And for those of you who call the church a cult - so could your church - whichever it is.
cult   /kʌlt/ Show Spelled[kuhlt]2.an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3.the object of such devotion.
4.a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5.Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
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Have a good night. Have fun with this weeks Mormon Bashing
I doubt the church banned you from going though the parents may have had misgivings about allowing you. The Catholics don’t stand a guard at the door asking for a Catholic card before being allowed to view a grand child’s baptism.
***So why, exactly, isn’t LDS doctrine open to question?***
If you question certain religions here on FR you need to have your asbestos undies on.
Members of those religions will wail and gnash their teeth and you will be accused of all manner evil.
Still, the truth comes out despite their protests.
Doubt all you want.
You weren’t there.
The Catholic Priest was - who said I would not be allowed to attend.
It never ceases to amaze me at how un Christian so many “Christians” are. Particularly when it pertains to the LDS Church...
“Judge not, lest ye be judged...”
Jesus knows His own - some of whom belong to NO organized church. It’s how a person lives their lives that Jesus judges.
So who told the priest you were Mormon?
You are another example of self-righteous arrogance. I provided the reason why I don’t go to church, but your ego does not agree with me. You seem to know my real motivations for not going. I also don’t play golf during a lightning storm or swim with sharks. I supppose you know better than me why I don’t do those things too. If you want to get hung up on details that you don’t understand, and use those details to slander a whole people, then it sounds like your problem. You are just another know-it-all jackass who will probably be corrected on a few things when you croak. Good luck with that and I hope you don’t use your imagined ‘talent’ on your mate.
Have you read the “Screwtape Letters?”
I’m not self-righteous, I’m one of the sinners.
Nevertheless, I do understand “Hear Oh Israel, the Lord our God is One,” and “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God, “ and “For God so loved the world that He gave his only Son that whosoever believes on Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”
There’s no place in there for other gods.
http://members.fortunecity.com/phantom1/books2/c._s._lewis_-_the_screwtape_letters.htm There’s some typos, but it’s readable.
The first time I read the book, I was in my 40’s. I knew those people Screwtape was talking about!
The last church that held my butt in it was a Nazarene church. The pastor gave a great sermon one time which encouraged us to not speak ill of other churches. To do so only serves an imaginary purpose, and probably causes more damage than good. I don’t like it one bit.
Interesting, but not all that unusual. I think traditional religious groups can sometimes be like this. Orthodox Judaism can be very strict when it comes to religious practices and “outsiders” attending their religious ceremonies.
Same thing happened to some friends of my parents - daughter converted to Mormonism, got married in the temple, and they weren’t allowed to attend.
Are you serious? I find that hard to believe. My family is very Catholic...practicing and all. Well my sister's husband was not initially Catholic when they married. They had their first child and he WAS at the Baptism...a year later he converted to Catholic. I think there must be more to your story.
He can not reach exaltation to the highest degree of glory in the Celestial Kingdom if he does not marry in the Temple.
Exaltation is called Eternal Life in Mormonism. Without Temple marriage - no eternal life.
From lds.org (look under additional information)
http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?locale=0&sourceId=61810bbce1d98010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD
After we are baptized and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, much of our progress toward eternal life depends on our receiving other ordinances of salvation: for men, ordination to the Melchizedek Priesthood; for men and women, the temple endowment and marriage sealing. When we receive these ordinances and keep the covenants that accompany them, we prepare ourselves to inherit eternal life.
BTTT
Good point!
You wrote:
“That said, when my dear little grandson was baptized - in a Catholic church, I was not allowed to attend as I was a Mormon.”
I call BS. I have been to my share of Catholic baptisms and I mean in the OLD RITE in Latin and ANYONE can attend. ANYONE. I know of a Muslim who attends weeekly Mass and has done so for 40 years! If he can attend Mass (and he’s still a Muslim) then I don’t see why a Mormon couldn’t be at a baptism. We baptism Mormons too! How could we do that if they couldn’t get in the door?
Note: The ritual is on the Internet so it isn’t a mystery. I understand the rationale historically. It was never intended to be something that a Gentile would encounter. It was designed to encourage Mormons to keep a Temple-recommend. But this is 2010, not 1870. Now we do encounter it and it is a problem for the church.
I am not Catholic and I was invited to attend the baptism of my granchildren as well as their First Communion.
Funny how real Christians are accused of being “intolerant bigots” when it comes to Mormons.
However, I grew up Roman Catholic and am now an Evangelical (for lack of a better term) and I’ve been to all sorts of churches including coservative Reformed, Pentecostal, Nazarene, RCC and other churches and I have NEVER been to one where family members of a different faith would be banned from attending a wedding.
Mormons have been demanding that we accept them as Christians (and many kind by uninformed Christians have) but they reject us.
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