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1963 letter indicates former pope knew of abuse
AP ^ | March 31st 2010 | GILLIAN FLACCUS

Posted on 03/31/2010 6:26:01 PM PDT by Cardhu

LOS ANGELES – The head of a Roman Catholic order that specialized in the treatment of pedophile priests visited with the then-pope nearly 50 years ago and followed up with a letter recommending the removal of pedophile priests from ministry, according to a copy of the letter released Wednesday.

In the Aug. 27, 1963 letter, the head of the New Mexico-based Servants of the Holy Paraclete tells the pope he recommends removing pedophile priests from active ministry and strongly urges defrocking repeat offenders. The letter, written by the Rev. Gerald M.C. Fitzgerald, appears to have been drafted at the request of the pope and summarizes Fitzgerald's thoughts on problem priests after his Vatican visit.

A message left with the Paraclete order at one of their two existing facilities in Missouri was not returned. A number for the second facility was disconnected.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: abuse; abusivepriests; b16; benedict; benedictxvi; bxvi; homosexualagenda; lavendermafia; newmexico; pedophilepriests; pedophiles; pope; ratzinger; scandal
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1 posted on 03/31/2010 6:26:02 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu

He tells Paul VI that treatment for priests who have succumbed to “abnormal, homosexual tendencies” should include psychiatric, as well as spiritual, counseling — but goes on to warn about the dangers of leaving those individuals in ministry..

I guess know one agreed with him?


2 posted on 03/31/2010 6:35:21 PM PDT by GSP.FAN (These are the times that try men's souls.)
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To: Cardhu

One letter from 1963. My gracious you and all the other anti Catholics are getting desperate. And I will say again this vendetta by the press is about shutting the Church up so she never opens her mouth on any moral issue ever again.

Do you know how many psychiatrists at the time believed that sexual patholgies could be cured with therapy. Or how many believed that pedophiles focused on one or at most only a few victims making removing them from the source of their obsession a legitimate means of dealing with the abuse? No one truly had yet grasped the number of victims one pedophile could have.

Keep trying to make like the Church is the embodiment of evil. You will keep failing.


3 posted on 03/31/2010 6:39:27 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance

Every year, right before Easter, the liberals and anti-Catholics trot out something to assault the Church. They whip themselves into a frenzy about it.

Hmmm ... it’s all quiet and civil toward Islam right before Rammadan. Wonder why?


4 posted on 03/31/2010 6:46:19 PM PDT by Jackson57
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To: lastchance

Yet the media never addresses the far greater problem of pedophiles in the public schools.


5 posted on 03/31/2010 6:54:32 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: lastchance
And I will say again this vendetta by the press is about shutting the Church up so she never opens her mouth on any moral issue ever again.

It is not just the press here in the US but the entire world and independent reports in Ireland are all saying the same things and condtradicting the lies of the Vatican

...but goes on to warn about the dangers of leaving those individuals in ministry...

You forgot that sentence in you defense of the church - they tell you it is a vendetta by the MSM and as one of the flock you believe. Whereas the rest of the world is more concerned about the abuse of Catholic children you seemed to believe that it is the Pope who is the victim.

6 posted on 03/31/2010 6:55:49 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu

What is it that causes gay pedophiles to become involved in the ministry?


7 posted on 03/31/2010 6:56:13 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Alfred E. Neuman for President! Oh, wait a minute ...)
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To: Valpal1
Yet the media never addresses the far greater problem of pedophiles in the public schools

What a pathetic excuse- Who covers it up in the Public school?

8 posted on 03/31/2010 6:57:33 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Valpal1
"Yet the media never addresses the far greater problem of pedophiles in the public schools."

When a teacher is outed as a pedophile, that teacher is rightly chastised, but the school is usually held blameless.

If you want to find pedophiles go to anywhere there are children: parks, churches, schools, youth organizations, etc.

The Catholic Church definitely made some mistakes with regard to the problem of pedophiles, but no more than all of the other organizations that are plagued by these scumbags.

9 posted on 03/31/2010 6:59:48 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: Cardhu

The Vatican has not told any lies. Your defamation shames you. Interesting how impeccable a source the NYT and their lot becomes when it shows the same anti Catholic rabid foaming at the mouth that you do.


10 posted on 03/31/2010 7:00:11 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Cardhu

And you know nothing about how I feel about actual victims of abuse. So shut your pie hole.


11 posted on 03/31/2010 7:01:44 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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Yet the media never addresses the far greater problem of pedophiles in the public schools.

Catholic excuse #4. “Other groups molest children more than we do. We just molest a little.”

Sick
12 posted on 03/31/2010 7:07:08 PM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
When a teacher is outed as a pedophile, that teacher is rightly chastised, but the school is usually held blameless.

WRONG. The teacher goes to prison and the school district gets sued, thank you for playing, please try again.
13 posted on 03/31/2010 7:08:40 PM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cardhu

This letter is not newly discovered information. It’s been available for a number of years. So the Catholic bashers aren’t questioning the timing of its release, just jumping on the bandwagon to bash the Church. One of the other things that Fitzgerald recommends is the priests in question be sent to an isolated island and basically left to fend for themselves. While punishment is definitely in order, I suspect of the media reported that it would make Fr. Fitzgerald look somewhat less than sane.

Also, with all of the attacks on Pope Benedict, the media is failing to recognize what he is doing to clean things up. He’s been quietly going about reforming the process of how priests enter seminary, requiring much more stringent psychological testing before acceptance as well as much more oversight in the seminaries themselves. Anyone of you Catholic-bashers want to guess why that’s not being reported??


14 posted on 03/31/2010 7:08:46 PM PDT by Jackson57
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To: MikeWUSAF

I never said that. You have put words in my mouth before I suggest you stop doing it.

And by the way the incidents of sexual abuse by Catholic clergy is a lot lower than that in public schools. Which does not make it right by any means but it does show the MSM is selecting its targets.

Oh and most cases of abuse were from about 1960-1980. It is no coincidence that this is when relaxation of adhering to the teachings of sexual morals became prevalent in seminaries. This is the time when the Lavender Mafia started becoming more and more powerful.

The lie that sex is all about self fullfillment and other propoganda of the sexual revolution was also given voice in the seminaries Why do you think so many priests dissented on Humanae Vitae? It was because it went against the popular view of sexuality that was becoming the predominant voice of the culture.

Sexual abuse is wrong no matter who the abuser. And I have never said otherwise.


15 posted on 03/31/2010 7:20:00 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Pedophiles look for cover. Opportunites to be alone with kids, and trusted.

Ministry, school and day care teachers, babysitters. . .


16 posted on 03/31/2010 7:22:27 PM PDT by Persevero (Ask yourself: "What does the Left want me to do?" Then go do the opposite.)
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To: lastchance
Sexual abuse is wrong no matter who the abuser.

Agreed, so why defend those who did it and who covered it up regardless of how long ago the offense occurred?
17 posted on 03/31/2010 7:23:05 PM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cardhu

Most of the comments attached to that story read like something the Nazis would write about Jews.


18 posted on 03/31/2010 7:24:43 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: MikeWUSAF

Can you tell us how accusations of sexual abuse were handled by schools say 40 years ago.

If a teacher is accused of sexual misconduct or abuse does the teacher have any right under rules for that profession (I am not talking about the civil authorities) to challenge that accusation? Does the teacher get to have representation before any proceedings against him? Will her union try to make a settlement with the school board. Have any settlements ever been reached that required non disclosure by any of the parties involved?

Let me know what you find out.


19 posted on 03/31/2010 7:25:49 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance

The topic and thread is about Catholic abuse not school or teacher abuse. I know it is probably easier to change the subject than to have to deal with the icky truth.

I’ve been a FReeper for a while and have seen many different viewpoints on many different subjects but one I could never understand was that of those who defend pedophiles.


20 posted on 03/31/2010 7:29:07 PM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MikeWUSAF

I think you misunderstand me. I am protesting the lies told about the Pope in the media in regards to the cases under discussion.

The Bishops who did cover up (and a review of the facts show there was cover up in the Murphy case) so I mean in other case did a horrible wrong and I have no quarrel with them paying, canonical, civil and criminal penalties.

I wonder if you are aware of the steps the Bishops now have taken to prevent abuse and to assure it never gets covered up again.

The ones who abused and those who covered up the abuse damaged the souls of the most innocent. And they will answer to God even if the statute of limitations has passed for earthly justice.


21 posted on 03/31/2010 7:29:45 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Jackson57
Hmmm ... it’s all quiet and civil toward Islam right before Rammadan. Wonder why?

Because no Christians are cutting these communist MF's heads off.

Yet

22 posted on 03/31/2010 7:30:52 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: MikeWUSAF

I have never defended pedophiles. In fact I even disagree with the term since phile means love. I think pederast would be a more accurate description.


23 posted on 03/31/2010 7:32:14 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: MikeWUSAF

Perhaps you failed to notice that the media is currently chasing down 50 year old letters involving people who are now DEAD.

The pedophilia in public schools remains unexposed, is current and growing while this catholic bashing is done not to protect children but to disarm the church from its role in the right to life, in order to protect abortion, i.e. the killing of children.

There is no honesty or noble cause in what the media does, only the death of the innocent.


24 posted on 03/31/2010 7:32:15 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: MikeWUSAF
one I could never understand was that of those who defend pedophiles.

That's funny; one I could never understand was that of those who accuse people who ask for objectivity and evenhandedness of defending pedophiles.

25 posted on 03/31/2010 7:34:15 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Valpal1

Exactly.


26 posted on 03/31/2010 7:34:51 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Valpal1
Perhaps you failed to notice that the media is currently chasing down 50 year old letters involving people who are now DEAD.

Sorry, I should have known better. The abuse happened a long time ago so even though we are just now finding out about it we shouldn't talk about it. Okay.
27 posted on 03/31/2010 7:34:58 PM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Campion
objectivity and evenhandedness

Child rape is black and white and the Pope is and was fallible and culpable.
28 posted on 03/31/2010 7:37:56 PM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MikeWUSAF

Let’s try again. The media are not pursuing pederasts currently abusing child right now because they are not interested in protecting children.

The media are pursuing old stories about the Catholic Church because they wish to protect abortion and kill children.

Get it now?


29 posted on 03/31/2010 7:38:08 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: Cardhu
Here's a comment from that story that puts things into better perspective:

82% of the known offenses by Catholic Priests are homosexual behavior with TEENAGE BOYS. Why does Harvey Milk get a day of celebration in California public schools when he brags, in his biography, his partners were 16 to 23 years old. The US Catholic Church pays $1.5 million per victim and is hated. Why Did Sean Penn get an Oscar playing Harvey Milk (a pedophile by the same standards)? Therefore, you that hate the church, by definition, are ignorant or homophobic. Stop using double standards. They are evil and breed your hate. Be fair not judgmental. Progressives should conclude that the Catholic Church was a leading edge "progressive" when it comes to gay tolerance and employment. But, look what it got them. I rest my case.

30 posted on 03/31/2010 7:39:04 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: MikeWUSAF
Child rape is black and white

Only when it takes place in a context involving the Catholic church. Anywhere else, it could make you a hero with your very own holiday. (See above.)

and the Pope is and was fallible and culpable.

And the Pope in this particular instance is also quite dead.

31 posted on 03/31/2010 7:42:22 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Valpal1

Let’s try again. This isn’t about the media. It’s about the Catholic church reeling from new information related to sexual abuse of children regardless of how long ago that abuse occurred.

Look folks, I’m NOT anti-Catholic! I’m NOT anti-Pope! I’m just sick of the cover-up, lack of accountability and refusal of people to see the systemic problem that plagues the church.

I will not relent in being an advocate for those who have been abused.

This isn’t a conspiracy to take down the Catholic church during “Holy Week.” I realize the liberal media hates all things Christian however this is a culmination of revelations that grow more intense due to the Church’s piss-poor handling of the situation.


32 posted on 03/31/2010 7:45:07 PM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Campion

California schools don’t have a “Holy Week” or portend to be a sacred, holy religion either...


33 posted on 03/31/2010 7:47:40 PM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MikeWUSAF

LOL. That makes it okay to glorify a child molester?


34 posted on 03/31/2010 7:48:46 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Campion

Actually this pervert has more class and integrity than the Catholic church since he didn’t cover it up and attempt to silence his victims.


35 posted on 03/31/2010 7:52:00 PM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MikeWUSAF
It's about the Catholic church reeling from new information related to sexual abuse of children

A Pope who's been dead for 30 years being told 47 years ago that priests who molest children should be removed from office is "new information" that makes the church "reel"?

36 posted on 03/31/2010 7:53:39 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: MikeWUSAF

Sorry, I don’t think bragging about molesting a kid makes it any better.


37 posted on 03/31/2010 7:54:20 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Campion
that makes the church "reel"?

No, just you because it's "icky" to talk about.
38 posted on 03/31/2010 7:54:35 PM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Campion

Nor does covering it up...


39 posted on 03/31/2010 7:55:01 PM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MikeWUSAF

Whatever.


40 posted on 03/31/2010 7:55:36 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Campion

It’s been fun but I have to get up early for work.

We’ll agree to disagree.

Mike


41 posted on 03/31/2010 7:56:38 PM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: lastchance; MikeWUSAF

“Can you tell us how accusations of sexual abuse were handled by schools say 40 years ago.”

As a victim of physical abuse by my father our school nurse called LE when she saw belt welts all over my thighs. The school nurse also called both my parents with her concerns and what she was going to do. I was in elem sch in the late sixties.


42 posted on 03/31/2010 7:56:54 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: MikeWUSAF

There is no cover up as it’s pretty obvious that if the church wanted to keep these documents secret, they could. Instead they have chosen acknowledgement in order to pursue forgiveness and cleansing to scripture. (If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness)

You failed to acknowledge ANY of the changes the church has instituted to prevent further instance and to keep homosexuals out of seminary.

Sorry, I think you are anti-catholic.


43 posted on 03/31/2010 7:57:24 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: MikeWUSAF
I agree with you there. It's an egregious crime. It's a more egregious crime when it's committed by an authority figure, more egregious still when it's committed by a clergyman.

And when the MSM and popular culture starts admitting that it's an egregious crime no matter what, and stops glorifying perverts like Harvey Milk and garbage like Eve Ensler's Vagina Monologues (which glorifies the lesbian rape of a teenage girl by an adult), we'll all be better off.

44 posted on 03/31/2010 7:58:29 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: sabe@q.com

I should have clarified. I meant incidents of sexual abuse involving a teacher or other school employee and students.

And that being said, I am glad you found an adult who would speak up for you and tell LE.


45 posted on 03/31/2010 7:58:51 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Valpal1

The Catholic Church has kinda had to make abuse by priests somewhat public considering they have now paid out what over two billion in civil lawsuits to victims.


46 posted on 03/31/2010 7:59:18 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: sabe@q.com

But they don’t have to release all these 50 year old documents about dead people who aren’t part of any current civil or criminal case.

Yet they are - because that’s how you clean out the corruption and make sure it never happens again. But nobody gives them credit for it. Nope just more sensationalized media bashing.

Because the media is interested in protecting children, they’re interested in protecting abortion and the Church has been the biggest stumbling block that still speaks against killing children.

You are so blind.


47 posted on 03/31/2010 8:06:22 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: Valpal1

Those 50 year old documents are leading them to the Vatican.


48 posted on 03/31/2010 8:07:59 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Valpal1

Oh, and how can you sensationalize two billion dollars in payouts?


49 posted on 03/31/2010 8:09:07 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Valpal1
"Perhaps you failed to notice that the media is currently chasing down 50 year old letters involving people who are now DEAD."

Unfortunately, the fact that anyone is dead or the number of years ago that this took place does not heal the pain or trauma from an unrepented crime. To you, it may look like an act of desperation to dig that far back but for the rest of us, Catholics and non-Catholics, it points to the fact that this is a problem that has been going on for a long time and its only been in recent years that enough pressure has been put on to force the powers within to address it with any conviction.

50 posted on 03/31/2010 8:10:13 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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