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Is the Biblical Flood Account a Modified Copy of the Epic of Gilgamesh?
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/gilgamesh.html#QIruzd1LxbS2 ^

Posted on 04/08/2010 8:15:01 PM PDT by truthfinder9

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1 posted on 04/08/2010 8:15:02 PM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9
I believe that every word in the Douay-Rheims English version of the Bible is complete, accurate and true!
The key words here are “I Believe” - so I'm closed minded on this article and I admitted it without a second thought or apology to the world!
2 posted on 04/08/2010 8:21:57 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: truthfinder9

Maybe the Epic of Gilgamesh was a modified retelling of the actual account of the flood


3 posted on 04/08/2010 8:22:10 PM PDT by slumber1
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To: truthfinder9
It is a dogma of establishment science that the tale of the biblical flood is a fairytale or, at most, an aggrandized tale of some local or regional flood. That, however, does not jibe with the facts of the historical record. The flood turns out to have been part and parcel of some larger, solar-system-wide calamity.

In particular, the seven days just prior to the flood are mentioned twice within a short space:

Gen. 7:4 "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights;...

Gen. 7:10 "And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth."

These were seven days of intense light, generated by some major cosmic event within our system. The Old Testament contains one other reference to these seven days, i.e. Isaiah 30:26:

"...Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days..."

Most interpret this as meaning cramming seven days worth of light into one day. That is wrong; the reference is to the seven days prior to the flood. The reference apparently got translated out of a language which doesn't use articles. It should read "as the light of THE seven days".

It turns out, that the bible claims that Methuselah died in the year of the flood. It may not say so directly, but the ages given in Genesis 5 along with the note that the flood began in the 600'th year of Noah's life (Genesis 7:11) add up that way:

Gen. 5:25 ->

"And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years and begat Lamech. And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters. And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years.

<i.e. he lived 969 - 187 = 782 years after Lamech's birth>

And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years and begat a son. And he called his name Noah...

<182 + 600 = 782 also...>

Thus we have Methusaleh dying in the year of the flood; seven days prior to the flood...

Louis Ginzburg's seven-volume "Legends of the Jews", the largest body of Midrashim ever translated into German and English to my knowledge, expands upon the laconic tales of the OT.

From Ginzburg's Legends of the Jews, Vol V, page 175:

...however, Lekah, Gen. 7.4) BR 3.6 (in the week of mourning for Methuselah, God caused the primordial light to shine).... God did not wish Methuselah to die at the same time as the sinners...

The reference is, again, to Gen. 7.4, which reads:

"For yet seven days, and I shall cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights..."

The note that "God did not wish Methusaleh to die at the same time as the sinners" indicates that Methusaleh died at pretty nearly precisely the beginning of the week prior to the flood. The week of "God causing the primordial lights to shine" was the week of intense light before the flood.

What the old books are actually telling us is that there was a stellar blowout of some sort either close to or within our own system at the time of the flood. The blowout was followed by seven days of intense light and radiation, and then the flood itself. Moreover, the signs of the impending disaster were obvious enough for at least one guy, Noah, to take extraordinary precautions.

The ancient (but historical) world knew a number of seven-day light festivals, Hanukkah, the Roman Saturnalia etc. Velikovsky claimed that all were ultimately derived from the memory of the seven days prior to the flood.

If this entire deal is a made-up story, then here is a case of the storyteller (isaiah) making extra work for himself with no possible benefit, the detail of the seven days of light being supposedly known amongst the population, and never included in the OT story directly.

Greek and Roman authors, particularly Hesiod and ovid, Chinese authors and others, note that small groups of men and animals survived the flood on high places and on anything which could float for a year. I do not see an essential contradiction between this and the biblical account. Noah's descendants were probably unaware of anybody else surviving and wrote the story that way.

4 posted on 04/08/2010 8:24:57 PM PDT by wendy1946
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About 4,800 years ago, a large asteroid or comet impacted in the Indian Ocean, producing a tsunami at least 600 feet high. This may be the origin of the stories of both Gilgamesh and Noah.


5 posted on 04/08/2010 8:31:26 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: J Edgar
The key words here are “I Believe” - so I'm closed minded on this article and I admitted it without a second thought or apology to the world!

Did you read the article?

6 posted on 04/08/2010 8:32:09 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: wendy1946
Many think that the flood accounts point to the same catastrophe that ended the last Ice Age, see The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: How a Stone-Age Comet Changed the Course of World Culture. by Richard Firestone, Allen West, and Simon Warwick-Smith. The Hebrew of the Genesis flood account is written in such a way (that usually isn't translated well into English) that suggests it is only describing Noah's immediate area. Hence, possible survivors elsewhere.
7 posted on 04/08/2010 8:36:10 PM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: J Edgar

The article is saying the Bible is true.


8 posted on 04/08/2010 8:36:53 PM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9
The flood happened 11,500 years ago. It was the mother of all tsunamis. Great earth changes emerged and the mantle of water surrounding the earth collapsed. Water poured out from fountains within the earth as well. Continents collapsed. Humanity did not repent.

Now we await trial by fire.

9 posted on 04/08/2010 8:37:07 PM PDT by Armaggedon
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To: truthfinder9

Genesis and Gilgamesh provide accounts of the same event. That there are similarities should be expected when describing the same event. Just because Gilgamesh predates Genesis doesn’t mean the Genesis account was copied from Gilgamesh.


10 posted on 04/08/2010 8:37:26 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Inyo-Mono
No - I was closed minded and also embarrassed!
But since you asked - I did, and I'm still convinced that faith is required to believe the biblical account since, we really don't have an accurate accounting of historical earth.
11 posted on 04/08/2010 8:41:51 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: truthfinder9

It’s the other way around.


12 posted on 04/08/2010 8:42:02 PM PDT by Dan Middleton
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To: wendy1946; Armaggedon
So while there is evidence of a catastrophe that ended the last Ice Age and could have caused Noah's flood, genetic studies put Noah further back (from Is the Truth Out There?: Why do genetic studies trace the first human woman to about 60,000-50,000 years ago and the first man to 47,000-35,000 B.C? Perhaps Genesis has the answer. In the account of Noah and the flood, all men on board the ark were blood related, the women were not. So the most recent common ancestor of the men would be Noah. The women could trace their common ancestor to Eve (see Chapter 13 for more on these studies) a few thousand years earlier.... So what about the Ice Age event then? The Bible talks about it too: Does the Bible contain any other possible references to this past? In Genesis 10:25 there is a brief, enigmatic reference to Peleg’s day as the time “earth was divided.” Does this refer to the final collapse of the land bridges at the end of the last Ice Age?
13 posted on 04/08/2010 8:53:32 PM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9
It was a world-wide and solar-system wide event. Chinese and Greek/Roman accounts speak of handfuls of people and animals surviving here and there on high places and/or anything which could float for the better part of a year.

The story itself is true; the standard religious interpretation of it being a divine punishment against the entire world you could take or leave, my own choice is to leave it.

14 posted on 04/08/2010 8:55:24 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Armaggedon
The flood happened 11,500 years ago.

You seem pretty confident on that dating.

15 posted on 04/08/2010 8:57:25 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("I'm so thankful for the active obedience of Christ. No hope without it." -- J. Gresham Machen)
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To: truthfinder9
In Plato's Republic, Solon got the information from the high priest of Egypt. The main casualty was the entire continent of Atlantis. After this blow, poles shifted and ice came and left. The survivors huddled in caves.

Point is Satan lied and mankind died. Nothing has changed under the sun. We must serve God not Satan.

16 posted on 04/08/2010 9:02:25 PM PDT by Armaggedon
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To: Armaggedon

I think the Noahic flood was the second of God’s such judgements on the earth. “ And darkness was on the face of the deep”. Deep what? Deep water? Is that when the dinosaurs perished, perhaps?

Does that explain why those fossils are on this planet yet were not living creatures included on the ark?

I’m not the first to subscribe.

Greater Biblical scholars contemplated this before us.

When God gave the rainbow as the sign He would not destroy the earth with water again, did it mean He had only done it once before? Check it out and read slowly.


17 posted on 04/08/2010 9:12:26 PM PDT by One Name
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To: Rockingham
About 4,800 years ago, a large asteroid or comet impacted in the Indian Ocean, producing a tsunami at least 600 feet high. This may be the origin of the stories of both Gilgamesh and Noah.

Or possibly a glacial ice dam breaking up ???

Check this out:

http://www.glaciallakemissoula.org/

18 posted on 04/08/2010 9:39:21 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: slumber1
Maybe the Epic of Gilgamesh was a modified retelling of the actual account of the flood

Yup... (the actual account being described in the Bible).

19 posted on 04/08/2010 9:39:55 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Rockingham

Myself, I believe the original tale goes much further back, and describes the flooding of the Mediterranean basin when the Gibraltar land bridge broke.


20 posted on 04/08/2010 9:48:14 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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