Posted on 04/11/2010 6:09:57 PM PDT by stfassisi
Your point? Of course things changed after the Resurrection, but your earlier post seeks to dismiss the Gospels.
This is a great example of how the Roman Catholic church perverts the Gospel.
Yes, Mark. A thousand times yes. All believers will be judged according to the good work of Jesus Christ within them.
No, no, a thousand times no. In your reply, you still didn't post any Gospel. You posted from Romans 3: which does not address this topic at all. If you go back to my last post, you will notice that I include:
2 Corinthians 5: 10 For we must all appear 7 before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive recompense, according to what he did in the body, whether good or evil.
Romans 14: 10 Why then do you judge your brother? Or you, why do you look down on your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11 for it is written: "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bend before me, and every tongue shall give praise to God." 12 So (then) each of us shall give an account of himself (to God).
Revelation 20: 11 9 Next I saw a large white throne and the one who was sitting on it. The earth and the sky fled from his presence and there was no place for them. 12 I saw the dead, the great and the lowly, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. Then another scroll was opened, the book of life. 10 The dead were judged according to their deeds, by what was written in the scrolls. 13 The sea gave up its dead; then Death and Hades 11 gave up their dead. All the dead were judged according to their deeds.
Romans 2: 5 By your stubbornness and impenitent heart, you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of wrath and revelation of the just judgment of God, 6 who will repay everyone according to his works: 3 7 eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works, 8 but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness. 9 Yes, affliction and distress will come upon every human being who does evil, Jew first and then Greek. 10 But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, Jew first and then Greek. 11 4 There is no partiality with God.
I will add to these some more words of Jesus:
Matthew 25: 41 17 Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.' 44 18 Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?' 45 He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.' 46 And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Matthew 24: 45 26 27 "Who, then, is the faithful and prudent servant, whom the master has put in charge of his household to distribute to them their food at the proper time? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master on his arrival finds doing so. 47 Amen, I say to you, he will put him in charge of all his property. 48 28 But if that wicked servant says to himself, 'My master is long delayed,' 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and eat and drink with drunkards, 50 the servant's master will come on an unexpected day and at an unknown hour 51 and will punish him severely 29 and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.
Matthew 20: 32 His master summoned him and said to him, 'You wicked servant! I forgave you your entire debt because you begged me to. 33 Should you not have had pity on your fellow servant, as I had pity on you?' 34 Then in anger his master handed him over to the torturers until he should pay back the whole debt. 23 35 24 So will my heavenly Father do to you, unless each of you forgives his brother from his heart."
Matthew 19: 24 19 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, 20 take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 21 26 What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? Or what can one give in exchange for his life? 27 22 For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father's glory, and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct.
There are many more, as well. Here you have the voice of Jesus, and Paul, telling us that we are to be Judged on our conduct (which is the belief of all Christianity right back to the Apostles), and you tell me different? I give you verse after verse of Jesus and you give me Sproul?
I see no Christ in your posts on Christianity. I pray for you and for all the lost that in their hubris believe that they know better. No difference between them and Ellen White or Mary Baker Eddy or Joseph Smith or David Koresh or...
You say that we pervert the Gospel. How would a Calvinist have any clue as to what the Gospel actually contains?
We don't have a religion. Christ has us - that is the difference between Christians and pagans. Especially the comfy pagans.
I agree, but the rabid anti-Catholics on this site often attack "Catholics" because of a misinterpretation of the term "alter Christus" by assuming that it means "another Christ" instead of the correct "in the role of Christ". I simply linked the two nearly identical errors.
The real irony is that the anti-Catholic bigots routinely side with those who openly embrace heresy (Nestorianism and Arianism) and those who openly deny the Holy Trinity simply because those heretics also embrace anti-Catholic bigotry.
I and other Bible-believing Christians will rest safely in the knowledge that Christ's righteousness is the only thing that saves a sinner, mercifully imputed to us as if it were our own.
But it's not. It's Christ's alone, given as a free gift to those who are His.
Read that link, Mark. It will help you to refocus your eyes away from yourself and onto the Triune God who alone deserves all glory.
Amen, Amen, Amen. A distinction that gets lost on too many.
The other Apostles were still teaching a hybrid Judaism. They wanted converts to adhere to Jewish rituals and customs. The resurrected Jesus Christ selected Paul to begin the church age of the Gentiles. We have been blessed to be free of rituals and works for salvation.
You must have missed some of my "10,000 posts" because I often mention Jesus' Sermon on the Mount. Especially when urging Roman Catholics to give up "vain repetitions" and pray as Jesus instructed us to pray."
But who is Jesus talking to on the Sermon on the Mount? He's talking to believers and He's telling them how believers are to live their lives. This is not a sermon on salvation; it is a sermon on sanctification.
Take for example...
"Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." -- Matthew 5:10
Jesus is not saying men MUST be persecuted in order to be saved. He is saying most likely Christians WILL be persecuted.
He's tellling Christians how to live their lives now that they've turned from their sins to follow Him.
This is certainly not the first thing RCs get wrong, but sadly, it probably won't be the last.
Then you agree that the The Beatitudes are at the heart of Jesus' preaching. That they take up the promises made to the chosen people since Abraham. The Beatitudes fulfill the promises by ordering them no longer merely to the possession of a territory or a single people, but to the Kingdom of heaven and all believers?
You agree that the Beatitudes depict the countenance of Jesus Christ and portray his charity, that they express the vocation of the faithful associated with the glory of his Passion and Resurrection; that they shed light on the actions and attitudes characteristic of the Christian life; that they are the paradoxical promises that sustain hope in the midst of tribulations; that they proclaim the blessings and rewards already secured, however dimly, for Christ's disciples; they have begun in the lives of the Virgin Mary and all the saints?
You believe the Beatitudes reveal the goal of human existence, the ultimate end of human acts: God calls us to his own beatitude. This vocation is addressed to each individual personally, but also to the Church as a whole, the new people made up of those who have accepted the promise and live from it in faith?
If we agree on these then all of our other differences are superficial.
I agree with some of it. The Sermon on the Mount does indeed "shed light on the actions and attitudes characteristic of the Christian life."
The Sermon on the Mount does "proclaim the blessings and rewards already secured" by all Christ's flock.
However, they are no more secured for "the Virgin Mary and all the saints" than they are for every believer who loves Christ's appearing.
The sad error of Rome teaches that living according to the Sermon on the Mount equates to salvation. And that is not at all what God's word tells us.
At the Sermon on the Mount Jesus Christ tells us that Christians will live a sanctified life in glory to the the Triune God who has given them everything because good works, the fruit of the Holy spirit, are the result of being born again to know the things of God.
Men are not saved by their own good works. Good works are the result of their regeneration from dead men to spiritual men by the Holy Spirit as a free gift from God.
Men are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Period. Read the Bible. Know the truth.
"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36
So what exactly did Christ mean when he are blessed by our actions in the Beatitudes?
You do not have the right to call yourself Bible believing Christian. I posted to you:
2 Corinthians 5: 10 For we must all appear 7 before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive recompense, according to what he did in the body, whether good or evil.
Romans 14: 10 Why then do you judge your brother? Or you, why do you look down on your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11 for it is written: "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bend before me, and every tongue shall give praise to God." 12 So (then) each of us shall give an account of himself (to God).
Revelation 20: 11 9 Next I saw a large white throne and the one who was sitting on it. The earth and the sky fled from his presence and there was no place for them. 12 I saw the dead, the great and the lowly, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. Then another scroll was opened, the book of life. 10 The dead were judged according to their deeds, by what was written in the scrolls. 13 The sea gave up its dead; then Death and Hades 11 gave up their dead. All the dead were judged according to their deeds.
Romans 2: 5 By your stubbornness and impenitent heart, you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of wrath and revelation of the just judgment of God, 6 who will repay everyone according to his works: 3 7 eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works, 8 but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness. 9 Yes, affliction and distress will come upon every human being who does evil, Jew first and then Greek. 10 But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, Jew first and then Greek. 11 4 There is no partiality with God.
Matthew 25: 41 17 Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.' 44 18 Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?' 45 He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.' 46 And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Matthew 24: 45 26 27 "Who, then, is the faithful and prudent servant, whom the master has put in charge of his household to distribute to them their food at the proper time? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master on his arrival finds doing so. 47 Amen, I say to you, he will put him in charge of all his property. 48 28 But if that wicked servant says to himself, 'My master is long delayed,' 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and eat and drink with drunkards, 50 the servant's master will come on an unexpected day and at an unknown hour 51 and will punish him severely 29 and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.
Matthew 20: 32 His master summoned him and said to him, 'You wicked servant! I forgave you your entire debt because you begged me to. 33 Should you not have had pity on your fellow servant, as I had pity on you?' 34 Then in anger his master handed him over to the torturers until he should pay back the whole debt. 23 35 24 So will my heavenly Father do to you, unless each of you forgives his brother from his heart."
Matthew 19: 24 19 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, 20 take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 21 26 What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? Or what can one give in exchange for his life? 27 22 For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father's glory, and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct.
And many more over our exchanges. It is you, Dr. E. that is not Bible believing. It is you, Dr. E. that is not Christ oriented. It is you, Dr. E. that is, essentially, non Christian.
We preach the Gospel to the world. It is the shrinking world of the Calvinist that rejects it. It is the ever smaller world of the Reformed that substitutes the like of Sproul and Machen and Calvin for Jesus. I will preach Jesus to you all day long and into the night if that is what it takes.
Face it, Dr. E. Calvinists are not Christians; they never were and never will be unless they repent of their heresies. Do you wish more Jesus inflicted upon you? We Christians pray for more Jesus. Why is it that the Reformed do not consider Jesus important except as a symbol?
Read that link, Mark.
It is ordure. Repent of the sty that the Reformed wallow in and believe in Christ instead.
Still misquoting this? I'm not surprised, with Reformed being so unacquainted with the Gospels. Let me quote this to you in context.
Mark 5: 35 10 While he was still speaking, people from the synagogue official's house arrived and said, "Your daughter has died; why trouble the teacher any longer?" 36 Disregarding the message that was reported, Jesus said to the synagogue official, "Do not be afraid; just have faith." 37 He did not allow anyone to accompany him inside except Peter, James, and John, the brother of James. 38 When they arrived at the house of the synagogue official, he caught sight of a commotion, people weeping and wailing loudly. 39 11 So he went in and said to them, "Why this commotion and weeping? The child is not dead but asleep." 40 And they ridiculed him. Then he put them all out. He took along the child's father and mother and those who were with him and entered the room where the child was. 41 12 He took the child by the hand and said to her, "Talitha koum," which means, "Little girl, I say to you, arise!" 42 The girl, a child of twelve, arose immediately and walked around. (At that) they were utterly astounded. 43 He gave strict orders that no one should know this and said that she should be given something to eat.
Why is it that you guys can get nothing of the Gospels right at all?
===================================
Stephan Passed on to be with Jesus.
He is there, you are here.
What makes you think he can hear you?
Is Stephan omniscient?
Does he have really good hearing?
Use listening devices?
Why would you need to talk to him anyways when Jesus is right next to him?
Hebrews 4:16
Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.
It doesn't say anything about talking to the guy standing next to the throne of grace.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.