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The Rosary, a powerful weapon against the devil
http://www.michaeljournal.org/rosarypower.htm ^ | 2003 | Father Gabriel Amorth

Posted on 04/11/2010 6:09:57 PM PDT by stfassisi

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To: Judith Anne

No it is truth...


101 posted on 04/15/2010 2:59:19 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Manic_Episode

Well! Thats true wisdom you just typed, I know because in actual exoricism I would go by that wisdom too Its very Good point. Not that I want to be looking for that experiance. I commend you on that point.I can’t say much for that incident myself, But It doesn’t mean the Rosary itself is wrong. But from the books I read an experianced exorcist near the end of the event has the Lord’s Angels in the supernatural banishing the fallen angel out of the body thus they have to obey the prays said and the questions correctly. Of course I do not know personally! But I did deal with my friend’s wife who is into the occult and she could not declare the 1 john 4 warning on a real Christian. She would try to say that Christ came in the flesh but the force behind would not let her. But she would say that there are many ways to God. Which is a big lie from the pit. I would repeat it again and again. To her husband’s chagrin and horror. She still couldn’t say it. What you do not understand is we declare that Christ came in the flesh when we say the Apostles Creed which begins the Rosary. We are going to see more of these New Age lies increase as time continues to the end.


102 posted on 04/15/2010 3:20:54 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: Pyro7480

So it may be accurate or it may not be, it is simply a mans opinion that has been accepted as true right?


103 posted on 04/15/2010 3:24:18 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Praying to Mary is against the second commandment. No small error. Repent of it.

When Christ was asked about the commandments, He said, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

So, how is praying to Mary against the second commandment? Wait-- that scripture is in the GOSPELS. I forgot! Presbyterians only go by the Pauline epistles. Who IS Pauline, anyway?

104 posted on 04/15/2010 3:25:29 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Manic_Episode

Mary is not dead.


105 posted on 04/15/2010 3:26:24 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Judith Anne

Judith -How about the 5th Commandment Honor your Father or Mother which is the reason Christ has to Honor her intercessory pray since she is his human Mother and he did enter humanity thru her. The opposite of not obeying the commandment is a sin and Christ could not be the sinless lamb for our salvation. Which thank God is not true. Praise JESUS AND HAIL MARY INDEED!!! Praise JESUS!!


106 posted on 04/15/2010 3:47:13 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"The "power of the rosary" is a negative power because it is a prayer directed at someone other than the Triune God."

You just had to step in it again. The Rosary is far more than Hail Mary's. Learn something about it before you criticize it.

107 posted on 04/15/2010 7:45:09 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: stfassisi

I lost the Rosary I had used for so many years, and I can’t find another that’s suitable for a man my age. Oh, well, I guess it’s dainty aquamarine glass beads.


108 posted on 04/15/2010 10:43:31 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Manic_Episode

“unbiblical prayers to the dead.”

You know, when I see how some people have such great resistance to understanding such a simple thing as the Communion of Saints, I can’t think of any possible cause other than the influence of Old Scratch.

It’s not hard. No member of the Body of Christ is dead. Asking them to pray for you is such a commonplace thing that it’s hard to imagine how anyone could fail to understand.


109 posted on 04/15/2010 11:03:22 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Natural Law
"Step in it?" lol. Somewhat appropriate, considering the topic.

Anyone who has read the Bible knows that only the Triune God is to receive our prayers. Praying to Mary is idolatry. 100%. Repent of it.

110 posted on 04/16/2010 12:26:01 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Judith Anne
Your post reaffirms what many of us have learned on this forum -- Roman Catholics ignore the Old Testament to such an extent that they feel free to break the 10 Commandments with impunity.

Very sad. Repent. All 10 Commandments are still in force, even the second commandment which Rome breaks every day of the week.

111 posted on 04/16/2010 12:42:04 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: johngrace
NO ITS NOT!

YES, IT IS!

You think the bible dropped from the sky and landed on someone’s lap. It did not come into existence in full New Testament form until centuries later

Errors like that reveal how ignorant of the Bible many Roman Catholic apologists really are.

"But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

And that from a child thou hast known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." -- 2 Timothy 3:14-15

And nowhere in those Scripture does it say to pray to anyone other than the Triune God.

Repent.

112 posted on 04/16/2010 12:49:35 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Pyro7480; RnMomof7
She opened to us the unspeakable abyss of God's love for us. Through her the old enmity against the Creator is destroyed. Through her our reconciliation with Him is strengthened, peace and grace are given to us, men are the companions of angels, and we, who were in dishonour, are made the children of God. From her we have plucked the fruit of 1ife. From her we have received the seed of immortality. She is the channel of all our goods. In her God was man and man was God. What more marvellous or more blessed? I approach the subject in fear and trembling.

Absolute idolatry. They weren't called the Dark Ages for nothing.

113 posted on 04/16/2010 1:07:04 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: nmh
Can you make the Rosary beads do some magic and get rid of Obama?

Unfortunately God seems to have this thing with giving people what they deserve.

114 posted on 04/16/2010 1:10:15 AM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (...he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one... Luke 22:36)
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To: Biggirl
Pray as if all things depend on God, but also work and VOTE as if all things also depend on you.

Good advice - worth repeating...

115 posted on 04/16/2010 1:14:42 AM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (...he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one... Luke 22:36)
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To: Leoni; nmh

Revere is one word, worship is another. Ultimately by what power are all men brought to salvation and healing?

Fill in the missing word of this verse and you’ll have your answer...”Not by might or by power but by My ______, says the Lord”


116 posted on 04/16/2010 1:22:05 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: johngrace

Had to look it up, and found this:

The Catechism of the Catholic Church gives the following English translation of the Apostles’ Creed:

1. I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth.

2. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.

3. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.

4. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.

5. He descended into hell. On the third day he rose again.

6. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

7. He will come again to judge the living and the dead.

8. I believe in the Holy Spirit,

9. the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints,

10. the forgiveness of sins,

11. the resurrection of the body,

12. and life everlasting.

Amen.


117 posted on 04/16/2010 1:33:31 AM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (...he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one... Luke 22:36)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Your post reaffirms what many of us have learned on this forum -- Roman Catholics ignore the Old Testament to such an extent that they feel free to break the 10 Commandments with impunity.

Your post reaffirms what many of us have learned on this forum -- Presbyterians ignore the Gospels to such an extent that they do not even recognize the words of Jesus Christ and feel free to flaunt that with impunity.

I am fully aware of what the OT commandments are, but it seems that Presbyterians haven't read the words of Christ in the Gospels where He comments on the commandments. Or, if they have read them, they have ignored Christ, and gone back to the OT for their list. Doesn't surprise me. Especially since the Pressy's don't seem able to understand.

118 posted on 04/16/2010 3:37:02 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: RnMomof7

In post 87 I asked if your question in post 83 was a trick question. Here’s your question:

“As you know many of the church fathers disagreed with each other and were often heretical in their teachings.. So is this writing infallible? “

Now, you post in 101 “No, it is truth.”

So, it seems that it WAS a trick question. Did you actually want an answer, or were you making a statement? Because that wasn’t clear at the time, and is even less clear now.


119 posted on 04/16/2010 3:50:32 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: johngrace; Dr. Eckleburg
NO ITS NOT ! You should repent with your non humble way! You don’t want to know How it is biblical. You think the bible dropped from the sky and landed on someone’s lap. It did not come into existence in full New Testament form until centuries later They were in Holy Spirit guidance as a Church.

The new Testament existed in the forum of letters to the churches from the beginning of the church. They were recognized by the N T church as valid and inspired before they were put in an "authorized" canon to be handed down.

But none of those things changes the facts that scripture tells us how to pray and WHO to pray to. No mention of prayers of "intercession" to Mary , Moses, Elijah or any-other of the deceased Saints.. it tells us that there is ONE mediator between God and man and that is Christ Jesus .

I do not worry about them forgetting to take my prayer to the throne of God, because i take it there myself, now having access to God without a man to do it for me.

I do not worry about what stones are in my prayer beads.. does that make the prayer more precious ?Seems some think so ....How sad when Christ waits to intercede for us that fire stones are the topic

120 posted on 04/16/2010 5:24:55 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Pyro7480
They weren't called the Dark Ages for nothing.

For those who still ignorantly use the term "Dark Ages", you need to read this book Cathedral, Forge, and Waterwheel, Technology and Invention in the Middle Ages.

For those others who still use the term, you should check your motives.

121 posted on 04/16/2010 5:37:55 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: dsc
"You know, when I see how some people have such great resistance to understanding such a simple thing as the Communion of Saints, I can’t think of any possible cause other than the influence of Old Scratch.

It’s not hard. No member of the Body of Christ is dead. Asking them to pray for you is such a commonplace thing that it’s hard to imagine how anyone could fail to understand."

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If what you say is so then you need to prove your case using scripture as per 2 Timothy 3:16. I'm all ears and waiting for your response.

Specifically any example of praying to worm food or them praying for us.

Asking those present here on earth for prayer is scriptural and proper, communicating with the dead is strictly forbidden (Deuteronomy 18:10).

I understand the concept well enough that I reject it out of hand as unscriptural, sinful and heretical. If I am wrong please straighten me out because I want to get it right, I only ask that you do so using Gods Word and not mans.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Jesus is our mediator. That is His office alone and no one elses.

2 distinctions I'm making here:

1) Someone praying for us is not mediating, it is entreating. These are 2 separate things that need to stay very separate. It would seem to to me that Catholics want other mediators.

2) Saints who have passed on and are no longer with us but are in Christs presence are off limits to us according to Gods Word.

122 posted on 04/16/2010 5:55:33 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Manic_Episode
2) Saints who have passed on and are no longer with us but are in Christs presence are off limits to us according to Gods Word.

Oh? I've asked before, and gotten no answer, maybe you can tell me. Where is the Gospel verse where Christ says, "Thou shalt not talk with or pray to the saints in heaven, especially not My Mom." Where is the verse where He says that because their bodies are "worm food" (to use your words) their souls are dead? Where does Christ say, "Pray to me, pray only to me, and never ever pray, talk to, or make a request of any other soul in heaven."

123 posted on 04/16/2010 6:52:20 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Judith Anne
I listed the verse in my post but you seemed to have missed it, somehow.

Deuteronomy 18:10

There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

I also said "Saints who have passed on and are no longer with us but are in Christs presence".
This is as opposite from saying "their souls are dead" as you can get. I did not say that or mean that. Their bodies are indeed worm food but Gods Word tells us that"

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

124 posted on 04/16/2010 7:11:32 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Manic_Episode
There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Fine, we all know the OT. But what did CHRIST say in the Gospels about the communion of saints? What does "the communion of saints" mean? Where did He tell us to never ever talk to His Mom?

125 posted on 04/16/2010 7:15:08 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Manic_Episode

And anyway, Dueteronomy is not a GOSPEL.


126 posted on 04/16/2010 7:15:46 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Judith Anne
Are you saying that necromancy is not a sin today?

Are you saying that Jesus is not the same God who wrote the OT?

127 posted on 04/16/2010 7:24:00 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Manic_Episode

Is necromancy the same as the communion of saints?


128 posted on 04/16/2010 7:24:49 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Manic_Episode
Are you saying that Jesus is not the same God who wrote the OT?

Not at all. Does Jesus want us to stone adulterers? Or did He fulfill the law? Did He come to condemn the world, or did He come so that the world might be saved? Is necromancy the same as praying to a saint in heaven?

129 posted on 04/16/2010 7:26:45 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I pointed out later that St. John was from Damascus, and therefore, he was removed from the “Dark Ages” in Western Europe. And did you miss the part where he point out that Mary doesn’t “possess grace on [her] own account”? I wouldn’t ever trust your judgment on what “idolatry” is.


130 posted on 04/16/2010 7:34:31 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Judith Anne
If the communion of saints is praying to those who have passed on then yes, it is necromancy and a sin. According to scripture a saint is anyone who is saved, and communion is the breaking of bread in memory of Christ as he told us to do.

"The communion of saints" is a catholic term based on catholic definitions. The working catholic definition of "saint" is those venerated by the church. That is not the working definition of the bible.

131 posted on 04/16/2010 7:36:54 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Manic_Episode

So, you are THE authority on the Scriptures, eh? Thanks, I didn’t know that...


132 posted on 04/16/2010 7:40:31 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Judith Anne
"Does Jesus want us to stone adulterers?"

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The book of Galatians makes it clear that gentiles are exempt from levitical law, so stoning is out of the question, however adultry is clearly a sin as is necromancy.

133 posted on 04/16/2010 7:46:45 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: All

self ping for later


134 posted on 04/16/2010 7:47:53 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yeah, I was in rehab. I got Hooked on Phonics. Darn that Sesame Street Gang.)
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To: Manic_Episode

Of course adultery is a sin.

If gentiles are exempt from levitical law, then what about the levitical laws against necromancy? Are gentiles exempt from that?


135 posted on 04/16/2010 7:49:22 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Judith Anne
"So, you are THE authority on the Scriptures, eh? Thanks, I didn’t know that..."

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It is interesting to me that not one single response to me on this thread contains any scripture to back up what is being communicated.

Instead there is opinion, sarcasm and accusation.

Interesting...

136 posted on 04/16/2010 7:53:38 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Judith Anne
I answered your question before you asked it but you asked it anyway.

You are very selective in what you read apparently.

137 posted on 04/16/2010 7:56:58 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Manic_Episode

So, you don’t want to answer my question? I do not claim to be an authority on the Scriptures, but you have not denied that you are.

I can quote Scripture, so can the devil. So what? I asked a question, you did not answer. I guess that since gentiles are exempt from Levitical law, necromancy is not a sin for them, according to YOUR reasoning. Pretty lame reasoning, if you ask me.

Right?


138 posted on 04/16/2010 7:57:38 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Judith Anne
Again, of course necromancy is a sin, but we will not stone you for it, just label you as heretical.
139 posted on 04/16/2010 8:01:33 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Manic_Episode
You are very selective in what you read apparently.

Well, it would be nice if you wrote more clearly. Or if your reasoning improved, that would be nice too.

Let's try again. According to you, gentiles are not subject to levitical law. This is why we don't stone adulterers, right? Silly me, I thought Christ's infinite mercy and His forgiveness of the woman taken in adultery were the reason, but I am no authority, as others profess to be.

But necromancy, and witchcraft, as in "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" etc., those are sins according to levitical law. If we go by the same reasoning, graciously exampled above by you, the Authority, gentiles (not subject to levitical law) are okay for doing those things, right?

As for sarcasm, is that one of the deadly sins? Or just a minor one? Levitical, or what? Because Christ used sarcasm, very effectively. Which kind of sin is it?

140 posted on 04/16/2010 8:13:07 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Judith Anne; All
Hmmmm ... Perhaps I should ask, again:

Would all of the infallible interpreters of Scripture and inerrant arbiters of doctrine on this thread please identify themselves?

141 posted on 04/16/2010 8:15:57 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Manic_Episode
Again, of course necromancy is a sin, but we will not stone you for it, just label you as heretical.

I am not a necromancer. See. even though you are an authority, you are not MY authority.

142 posted on 04/16/2010 8:17:22 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Judith Anne
Judith Anne, your questions are not questions, they are accusations.

You have not provided even a single scripture reference to back up any of your opinions.

For at least the 2nd time you have put words in my mouth that I did not say, and that will be the last time I will respond to your nonsense. I'm bailing this conversation and saving it for someone who is honest.

I never said or implied that sarcasm was a sin, I simply pointed it out.

It seems to be all you have.

143 posted on 04/16/2010 8:25:44 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: stfassisi

The Rosary has had a major impact on my life. And continues to do so.


144 posted on 04/16/2010 8:31:12 AM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Good question!


145 posted on 04/16/2010 8:53:13 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Manic_Episode

You seem confused about levitical law, as well. That is not sarcasm. Very little of what I wrote was sarcasm, it was intended to point out the self-contradictory nature of those who use the Scriptures as weapons against Catholics. I am very familiar with those sort of people. And using only the scripture YOU posted, I showed your error.


146 posted on 04/16/2010 8:55:39 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Praying to Mary is against the second commandment. No small error. Repent of it.

Says you. You've got about as much teaching authority as a shetland sheepdog.

Christians were asking for the intercession of the saints from the beginning--long before your sect was even a gleam in satan's eye.
147 posted on 04/16/2010 8:59:16 AM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: stfassisi
clicked on the thread thinking I could contribute, based on the headline.
I’m guessing not.

you see, the nuns in the orphanage had rosary beads the size of golf balls. and many a time I was whacked with them with the nun screaming “you’re the devil”.

148 posted on 04/16/2010 9:08:43 AM PDT by stylin19a (Never buy a putter until you first get a chance to throw it)
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To: Judith Anne
I'm sorry Judith Anne but inventing charges out of thin air is not pointing out error, it is inventing error, a dishonest and obnoxious approach at best.

I have very clearly stated twice that necromancy is a sin the same as adultery but you simply ignored that, bulldozed over it and went on to say that I must be saying that it's okay.

The irony is even richer in that you are the necromancer.

You are a lousy debater because you contribute no substance but only falsely accuse.

2 Timothy 3:16

16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

If you want to continue this discussion please use Gods Word to correct, rebuke, teach and train me and STOP with the dishonest attacks.

The proper way to debate doctrine is to state a verse and use HONEST reasoning to explain how that verse backs up your point. That's what Jesus did with the disciples, Pharisees and the devil.

Your approach is to lie and say that I said something I did not.

I'm probably wasting my breath.

149 posted on 04/16/2010 9:20:31 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Pyro7480
It doesn’t have the same degree of authority like a Council of the Church or the dogmatic declaration of a pope. So, in that sense, it isn’t “infallible,” but since it’s written by a Father and Doctor of the Church, it is certainly given high regard.

Certainly much higher regard that the teachings of certain heresiarchs who lived 1,500 years and more after Our Lord...
150 posted on 04/16/2010 9:25:05 AM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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