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Vatican under fire for linking gays to pedophilia
Reuters via The Vancoever Sun ^ | April 14, 2010 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 04/14/2010 10:28:34 AM PDT by DManA

VATICAN CITY - Gay groups and politicians condemned Pope Benedict's number two on Wednesday for calling homosexuality a "pathology" and linking it directly to sexual abuse of children.

The comments made by Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone during a visit to Chile, and the controversy they caused, were splashed on mainstream Italian newspapers on Wednesday.

The French foreign ministry and some Catholic blogs that support the pope also condemned the cardinal's remarks.

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TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: b16; benedict; benedictxvi; bxvi; catholic; gays; pedophilepriests; pedophiles; pope; priests; ratzinger; scandal; vatican
I am so confused. Apparently the PC position is that Priests are all a bunch of pedophiles - NOT that there's anything WRONG with that.
1 posted on 04/14/2010 10:28:35 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA
Taking flak. Over the target.

Bombs away, your eminence!
2 posted on 04/14/2010 10:29:17 AM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: DManA
Where is the "Gay Gene"
3 posted on 04/14/2010 10:30:18 AM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: DManA

We live in a world gone mad.

Here we are in the middle of a media driven circus concerning gay priests abusing boys and we must not notice the obvious...


4 posted on 04/14/2010 10:30:53 AM PDT by LastNorwegian
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To: DManA
If you're a homosexual man and you brag about seducing teenage boys, and your name is Harvey Milk and you live in San Francisco, you may one day have a city holiday in your honor.

On the other hand, if you're a Catholic priest, your diocese may be sued into the ground (even for abuse committed after they've removed you from the priesthood!) and churches and schools built by the blood, sweat, and tears of Catholic laypeople who never met you and never molested any kids may be taken by the courts to make lawyers very, very rich.

Makes perfect sense, I think ... /s

5 posted on 04/14/2010 10:33:02 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: LastNorwegian

They would prefer to condemn the Vatican for spreading the Gospel but we aren’t ready for that yet. Next year maybe.


6 posted on 04/14/2010 10:33:36 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA
Well, if you've noticed, all the male priests involved seemed to be involved with young altar boys, even though girls have been serving on the altar for at least 20 years now. For that matter, if celibacy were the issue, why aren't their more housekeepers stepping forward with stories to tell?

Just sayin'...

7 posted on 04/14/2010 10:34:06 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Is the difference between "anticipating" and "just waiting" the same as between "when" and "if"?)
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To: DManA

I think most folks have understood this to be a homosexual problem rather than a pedophile problem.


8 posted on 04/14/2010 10:36:35 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: DManA

The obvious is the insane to liberals.


9 posted on 04/14/2010 10:38:00 AM PDT by Woebama
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To: DManA

A pervert is a pervert.

The purpose of reproductive organs is to reproduce a species, not to get one’s rocks off on whatever one can find.


10 posted on 04/14/2010 10:40:44 AM PDT by chris37
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To: DManA

Thou shalt never speak the truth. This is the only commandment of the social engineering radicals of America.


11 posted on 04/14/2010 10:43:38 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Tanniker Smith

I believe the overwhelming majority of the young males abused were post-pubescent as well.


12 posted on 04/14/2010 10:46:24 AM PDT by cvq3842 (Freedom is worth fighting for.)
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To: DManA
The best defense is a good offense.
13 posted on 04/14/2010 10:47:15 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (FYBO: Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: NMEwithin

-Where is the “Gay Gene?”-

Your genes don’t make you do it !

http://www.mygenes.co.nz/index.html


14 posted on 04/14/2010 10:48:10 AM PDT by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: cvq3842

Every male homosexual friend I’ve ever met tells the same tale of their “first” experience being one of molestation by some older gay guy. That’s why they freak out so much when the actual truth is revealed this way. They are WAY too psychologically damaged to look at themselves.


15 posted on 04/14/2010 10:51:38 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: Campion

That is why there is no point in arguing with leftist vermin. Kill them on sight and dispose of the stinking corpse.


16 posted on 04/14/2010 10:51:50 AM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: DManA

Perversions and other mental diseases seldom are isolated; they tend to run in groups. Anyone with half a brain knows that.

I defend the Roman Catholic Church on this one.


17 posted on 04/14/2010 10:56:42 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: DManA
The 2002 definitive John Jay study exhaustively documents the sex abuse scandal by priests in the Catholic Church in America. This is Exhibit 1 in support of Cardinal Bertone’s candid statement that “homosexuality is a pathology which is linked directly to sexual abuse of children”, and specifically is the primary cause of the sex abuse scandal in the Church by gay priests abusing young boys. Only truly ignorant deniers can profess that a gay priest abusing young boys has nothing to do with homosexuality?! Excerpts from the Executive Summary of the John Jay report:

    * The majority of priests with allegations of abuse were ordained between 1950 and 1979 (68%). Priests ordained prior to 1950 accounted for 21.3% of the allegations, and priests ordained after 1979 accounted for 10.7% of allegations.

    *Over 79% of these priests were between 25 and 29 years of age when ordained. For priests whose age at the time of the first alleged abuse was reported, the largest group—over 40% was between 30 and 39. An additional 20% were under age 30, nearly 23% were between 40 and 49, and nearly 17% were over 50.

    *The majority of priests (56%) were alleged to have abused one victim, nearly 27% were alleged to have abused two or three victims, nearly 14% were alleged to have abused four to nine victims and 3.4% were alleged to have abused more than ten victims. The 149 priests (3.5%) who had more than ten allegations of abuse were allegedly responsible for abusing 2,960 victims, thus accounting for 26% of allegations. Therefore, a very small percentage of accused priests are responsible for a substantial percentage of the allegations.

    *The largest group of alleged victims (50.9%) was between the ages of 11 and 14, 27.3% were 15-17, 16% were 8-10 and nearly 6% were under age 7. Overall, 81% of victims were male and 19% female. Male victims tended to be older than female victims. Over 40% of all victims were males between the ages of 11 and 14.

    *In the 51% of cases where information was provided, half of the victims who made allegations of sexual abuse (2,638, or 25.7% of all alleged victims) socialized with the priest outside of church. Of those who did socialize with the priests who allegedly abused them, the majority had interactions in the family’s home. Other places of socialization included in the church, in the residence of the priest, and in various church activities.

18 posted on 04/14/2010 11:33:21 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Antoninus

Taking flak. Over the target.

&&&
Yep! The forces of the Evil One are in overdrive. We must all pray.


19 posted on 04/14/2010 11:34:46 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: DManA

I am so confused. Apparently the PC position is that Priests are all a bunch of pedophiles - NOT that there’s anything WRONG with that.


I’m confused as well. I point out to libs that 90%+ of abuse cases are homosexual, but apparantly, it just doesn’t register, as we are not supposed to know that. Just remember the party line - “the Church is BAD, but don’t bother to look beyond that.”


20 posted on 04/14/2010 11:44:00 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded, my brains fell out.)
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To: DManA
Politicians condemned Pope Benedict's number two man on Wednesday for calling homosexuality a "pathology" and linking it directly to sexual abuse of children.

Politicians condemned Pope Benedict's number two man on Wednesday for calling the ocean wet.

21 posted on 04/14/2010 12:23:07 PM PDT by Leoni
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To: DManA

“calling homosexuality a “pathology” and linking it directly to sexual abuse of children.”

Well, doh!


22 posted on 04/14/2010 12:23:11 PM PDT by vanilla swirl (To argue witha person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead)
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To: chris37

“A pervert is a pervert.

The purpose of reproductive organs is to reproduce a species, not to get one’s rocks off on whatever one can find.”

That’s way too obvious and logical.

But so true!


23 posted on 04/14/2010 12:24:50 PM PDT by vanilla swirl (To argue witha person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead)
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To: Antoninus

Man FReepers are sharp...


24 posted on 04/14/2010 12:42:03 PM PDT by BenKenobi ("we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be")
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To: DManA

No word yet about gays being under fire for participating in pedophilia...


25 posted on 04/14/2010 12:48:55 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: chris37

Just as my sofa was saying to the dog the other day.


26 posted on 04/14/2010 3:25:10 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: DManA

The majority of male children that are molested are molested by adult males. Male sex with a male is homosexuality. Therefore the link is accurate. Why is the word homosexual never used in the reports of a priest molesting a boy?


27 posted on 04/14/2010 4:46:43 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (Should I fly my flag at half staff now?)
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To: DManA

It’s so un-pc to speak the truth.


28 posted on 04/14/2010 6:00:33 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: The Toll
Every male homosexual friend I’ve ever met tells the same tale of their “first” experience being one of molestation by some older gay guy. That’s why they freak out so much when the actual truth is revealed this way. They are WAY too psychologically damaged to look at themselves.

II. SEXUAL ABUSE OF HOMOSEXUAL MEN A. Rate of abuse Given the above description of boys who are vulnerable to sexual child abuse, one might expect that homosexual males would be more likely to have been sexually molested as children. Several studies confirm this hypothesis. Shrier and Johnson interviewed 300 intercity boys as part of a general intake health history at an adolescent outpatient clinic. Forty of the adolescents disclosed an experience of being sexually assaulted by a male before puberty. These 40 were compared to an age-matched control group from the same sample of boys who do not report abuse. Shrier and Johnson found that while 90% of the control group reported they were heterosexual, only 42.5% of those reporting sexual victimization said they were heterosexual - 47.5% said they were homosexual, and 10% said they bisexual. Only 6 of the 40 victimized boys had revealed the molestation to anyone prior to participation in the study interview.(Johnson 1985) Shrier and Johnson feel that the 40 cases found may represent only a faction of the actual incidence, because although nearly half of the clinic patients are under 15, not one boy under 15 admitted molestation. In addition only 6 of the 40 who admitted being molested were under age 17. This suggests that younger adolescents may be extremely unwilling to admit previous molestation and may do only because they are suffering from some sexually related problem.(Johnson, 1985) In a study by Remafedi, 239 men aged 13 to 21 who identified themselves as homosexual or bisexual were queried. Of these 42% had been sexually abused or assaulted. In addition 30% had attempted suicide; 23% used cocaine; 66% used marijuana regularly; 29% had been arrested; 11% had accepted money for sex.. Based on the number of unprotected sexual acts and number of sexual partners, the author concluded that 63% of these young men were at extreme risk for HIV infection.(Remafedi, 1994) It was not clear from the study if the 42% who had been abused were among those who attempted suicide, used drugs, or engaged in unsafe sex. In 1992 Lynda Doll and associates published a study of "self-reported childhood and adolescent sexual abuse among adult homosexual and bisexual men." They identified 1,001 men who had engaged in sexual activity with another man in the previous five years and had attended a STD clinic. In the Doll study any sexual activity of a child under 6 with someone three or more years older was defined as a abuse. For children under 12 in addition to an age difference or use of force, any anal penetration was considered abusive. For adolescent males 16 to 18, the relationship was defined as abusive only if the partner was 10 years old or involved force. Among the 1,001 participants 360 (37%) reported sexual contact before the age of 19 with a partner whom they perceived as being older or more powerful than themselves (94% of these the first such contact was with a male). In 53% of the cases the abusers were over 19, in 43% of the cases they were family members. Force was used in 49% of all contacts.


A homosexual priest in the Gay Parade of Rome, 2000 Actualite des Religions, September 2000

29 posted on 04/15/2010 3:11:06 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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