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Jennifer Knapp Returns to Christian Music Scene, Confirms Her Sexuality (Yes, she says she's gay)
Christian Post ^ | 04/17/2010 | Josh Kimball

Posted on 04/17/2010 11:26:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Award-winning Christian music artist Jennifer Knapp has returned from a seven-year hiatus with a bang.

Aside from touring with provocative singer-songwriter Derek Webb and preparing for the release of a new album, Knapp is confirming what some had for years suspected – she’s gay.

In interviews with The Advocate, Reuters, and Christianity Today – all published Tuesday – Knapp spoke openly about her sexuality while making it clear that she is not a pro-gay activist or even a self-described lesbian despite being in an eight-year relationship with a woman.

“I'm just a normal human being who's dealing with normal everyday life scenarios,” Knapp told Christianity Today.

“As a Christian, I'm doing that as best as I can,” she added. “The heartbreaking thing to me is that we're all hopelessly deceived if we don't think that there are people within our churches, within our communities, who want to hold on to the person they love, whatever sex that may be, and hold on to their faith. It's a hard notion.”

Though not the first Christian music artist to “come out” as gay, Knapp is arguably the most prominent.

Knapp's impressive history includes over one million albums sold with her three releases to date – Kansas (1998), Lay It Down (2000), and The Way I Am (2001). In 1999, Knapp won her first Dove Award for Best New Artist. The Kansas-born musician later scored a Grammy nod in 2002 and another Dove nomination in 2003.

"She's like a fine cabernet. She only gets better with age,” commented John Huie of Creative Artists Agency, Knapp’s booking agent.

In September 2002, however, Knapp decided to leave the music scene over a number of issues – her "crazy" and exhausting schedule, for one – and has for the past seven years been spending time and soul searching in Australia as well as traveling throughout Europe.

It wasn’t until the last year that Knapp picked up a guitar again and came out with a couple of new tracks that led to her return to the United States last July.

After a few sessions in the studio, it became clear to Knapp and her team that it was time to make music again, and so Knapp officially moved back to the states in August together with her partner, whose identity Knapp is adamant about protecting.

Now, the finished product, titled Letting Go, is slated for a May 11 release and will be the first test of her fans’ loyalty given her sexuality confirmation.

While the decision to "come out" one month before her new album’s release is a risky one, The Advocate said Knapp chose to do so partly because she didn’t want people to love her music and then discover that their own values won’t let them sing along full-throated.

“I think it’s going to be shocking and feel like a betrayal to some people who live their spiritual lives through the music they listen to,” Knapp told the LGBT publication.

Furthermore, the move provides Knapp a chance to be “wholly myself."

Currently, Knapp is on tour with former Caedmon's Call member Webb and will be until at least the end of April.

On Monday, Knapp turned 36.


TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: abnormal; christianmusic; gay; homoagendaalert; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; jenniferknapp; moralrelativist; sexualdeviant
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1 posted on 04/17/2010 11:26:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Abnormal people want people to believe they are normal.
2 posted on 04/17/2010 11:30:54 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

What really saddens me is she is using the term “Christian” as an adjective to describe herself while simultaneously ignoring the Christian injunction against the homosexual lifestyle.

It will be even sadder if Christians buy, patronize and endorse her music if she does not repent.


3 posted on 04/17/2010 11:34:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
“I'm just a normal human being who's dealing with normal everyday life scenarios,” Knapp told Christianity Today.

Ah, no, you're not honey. Sorry to break it to you. Most people are not dealing with the same "scenarios" as you are.

4 posted on 04/17/2010 11:34:43 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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To: SeekAndFind
You can't be a genuine Christian *and* a “practicing” homosexual.Regardless of what any atheist,Episcopal bishop,Methodist bishop,Unitarian/Universalist “minister’ might say.
5 posted on 04/17/2010 11:44:01 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: SeekAndFind
“I'm just a normal human being...Knapp told Christianity Today.

Wrong first time...sweetheart.

6 posted on 04/17/2010 11:45:29 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

She’ll realize what we all know to be a fact when they discover that her record sales among “christians” are in the toilet. At this this point, she should just save the grief and stay with secular music. It will save her a lot of trouble.


7 posted on 04/17/2010 11:46:44 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: ThunderSleeps

We’re all dealing with temptation to sin, so she’s right in that way. But as long as we’re alive and Christian we will be struggling with sin - not embracing it.

We die with Christ so that we can rise with Him. That means that some of the things we really crave have to become dead to us. It’s a small price to pay for being found in Christ.

We all fall and need His grace and forgiveness to pick us back up again. But to refuse to be yoked with Him and let Him carry the heavy burden of our sin and the temptations we face, is to be without Him. His grace is made perfect in our weakness; there is so much lost because she has embraced sin rather than leaning on Jesus to fulfill her every need.


8 posted on 04/17/2010 11:52:54 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: SeekAndFind

Never heard of her.


9 posted on 04/17/2010 12:00:40 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: SeekAndFind

Her choice is Christ or this woman and she doesn’t want to make the choice. That’s true for any relationship outside of marriage.

Unfortunately, she’ll have a chorus of voices telling her that she doesn’t have to choose.


10 posted on 04/17/2010 12:00:55 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Drunks are normal people, too, and they often deny that they have to change.


11 posted on 04/17/2010 12:05:56 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: RobbyS

Hey, when was the last time my anyone hurt drinking?


12 posted on 04/17/2010 12:10:33 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: SeekAndFind; All
On the plus side, she'll now have thousands of people praying that her "relationship" will fail, that she'll repent, and then be able to write better songs. Sure, there's a struggle everyday against whatever is our "cross," but embracing it and not dealing with it is....well, stupid.

There. I said it. She's stupid. Now, watch everyone call me a stupidophobe.

13 posted on 04/17/2010 12:12:33 PM PDT by Othniel (Meddlng in human affairs for 1/20th of a millennium.......)
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To: SeekAndFind

“I think it’s going to be shocking and feel like a betrayal to some people who live their spiritual lives through the music they listen to,” Knapp told the LGBT publication.”

Yep, them old eight track tapes are so..so...inspiring...they just bring tears to my eyes!!!!


14 posted on 04/17/2010 12:13:12 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: SeekAndFind
“As a Christian, I'm doing that as best as I can,” she added. “The heartbreaking thing to me is that we're all hopelessly deceived if we don't think that there are people within our churches, within our communities, who want to hold on to the person they love, whatever sex that may be, and hold on to their faith. It's a hard notion.”

She's right, of course. There are men in the churches who would like to run off with another woman, yet they don't. There are women who face comparable temptations. There are people who really want to steal, who really want to gossip or who are tempted to lie. I knew a Christian lady who was repeatedly tempted to go worship Krhishna (who she had served years before) yet she resisted the temptation.

Sin is pleasurable. For sexual temptations, scripture advises us to flee.

gitmo

15 posted on 04/17/2010 12:32:18 PM PDT by gitmo ( The democRats drew first blood. It's our turn now.)
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To: Repeat Offender
Big case down here. A guy who had just served time for DWI and was on parole, killed a mother and daughter while driving drunk. The cops and the DA are all over him, two two murder counts. Lightning speed by normal standard, because everyone is outraged.
16 posted on 04/17/2010 12:33:20 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wow. She has collaborated with the great Christian band Third Day. It is not clear from the article whether she is actually a practicing homosexual, or has lesbian inclinations. Remember that God is not willing that anyone should perish, and that homosexuality is not inherently worse than adultery, promiscuity, or other sins. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I hope and pray she gets turned around.


17 posted on 04/17/2010 12:40:46 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: SeekAndFind

I find it funny that she is on tour with a member of Caedmon’s Call. I expect Bebo Norman will be joining them shortly.


18 posted on 04/17/2010 12:47:02 PM PDT by Tramonto
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To: hellbender
Wow. She has collaborated with the great Christian band Third Day.

Yes, and she has some serious talent. I was a fan of her early stuff.

It is not clear from the article whether she is actually a practicing homosexual, or has lesbian inclinations.

It says she's in an 8-year "relationship" with a "partner." I think that's plenty clear, unfortunately.

Remember that God is not willing that anyone should perish, and that homosexuality is not inherently worse than adultery, promiscuity, or other sins. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I hope and pray she gets turned around.

Me too.

19 posted on 04/17/2010 12:49:15 PM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: Tramonto
I find it funny that she is on tour with a member of Caedmon’s Call. I expect Bebo Norman will be joining them shortly.

Derek Webb - who is, by the way, an incredibly nice, friendly, funny, genuine guy in person - is definitely on the liberal end of the Christian music world. Not sure about Bebo.

20 posted on 04/17/2010 12:50:42 PM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: xjcsa
homosexuality is not inherently worse than adultery, promiscuity, or other sins.

Not so sure about that. The others are plenty bad enough, but homosexuality seems to lead to the downfall of nations/cultures in a special way.

21 posted on 04/17/2010 12:55:29 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: gitmo

Well said.


22 posted on 04/17/2010 12:56:45 PM PDT by FourPeas (God Bless America)
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To: SeekAndFind

So, she wants to sell records to people who she knows will openly condemn this lifestyle, due to their beliefs and what the Bible says .... or is there a large gay Christian music audience I am not aware of?

This woman represents a larger problem with the contemporary Christian music industry. Too many are in it just for the money, prestige and the fame. They use Jesus and God as trappings to make money, the words they sing to others have no meaning to them personally.

Paraphrasing a few lines from a Steve Camp song called Ministry

“We once sang for Jesus without charging a dime, and we called in ministry. We weren’t ashamed of the gospel, we let our light shine, and we saw lives saved and set free.”

“While singing about God’s love, they are indulging their lust and they dare to call it ministry.”

“We don’t need stars in the body of Christ, but servants who live a holy life, yes we’ve all seen the famous revel in their sin, but we need to see holiness live out again.”

“An ambassador of Christ must be chosen and called to deny ourselves for the glory of God!”


23 posted on 04/17/2010 1:13:31 PM PDT by wastedpotential (McCain always said I was an agent of intolerance - but in 2008 those like me tolerated him most)
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To: butterdezillion

Yes.

When a person identifies himself as a homosexual, he is identifying himself as his sin.

When a person is in Christ and struggles with temptation to homosexual acts, I think it is more accurate and helpful to identify himself as in Christ — a Christian — who then has various struggles, one of which is named homosexuality.


24 posted on 04/17/2010 1:50:53 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Sic semper tyrannis! Stop spending. Starve the beast.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Not just saddening, sickening.

Will pingout later today.


25 posted on 04/17/2010 1:54:07 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: hellbender

Homosexual is intrinsically worse than many of the sins you listed. The idea that “all sin is equal” is a fantasy.


26 posted on 04/17/2010 1:55:05 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: little jeremiah
Homosexual is intrinsically worse than many of the sins you listed.

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I see that the Lord is a freeper and He calls Himself Little Jeremiah.

27 posted on 04/17/2010 1:58:44 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: wtc911

I never understand why people say “all sins are equal”. It’s senseless.

There are degrees. Common sense.


28 posted on 04/17/2010 2:06:26 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: SeekAndFind

Other than someone who has no choice but to be gay, such as Elana Kagen (search to see photo to find out why), most women who become gay just do it for fun...they really don’t care who they wind up with. And, in a lot of cases, it’s a political statement - that men are simply not needed in their lives.

Whereas most gay guys are simply sick.


29 posted on 04/17/2010 2:16:32 PM PDT by BobL
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To: little jeremiah
The scriptures say that all our righteousness is like filthy rags. Compared to the perfection of God, nothing we do is good. There is no "good" or "better" sin. All have fallen short of the perfection required for fellowship with God. Without condoning Jennifer Knapp's behavior, let's remember than no sin is tolerable with God, including the heterosexual promiscuity which seems amusing to some FReepers.

If you want to get into relative grades of sin, I think that "monogamous" lesbianism is better than the promiscuity which typifies male homosexuality or the swinging promiscuous hetero lifestyle. God's desire is love, which requires commitment, "for better or worse."

30 posted on 04/17/2010 2:32:12 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: SeekAndFind

April 16, 20100:12
A few words...

I share my life with a woman. I have approached this relationship with gratitude, joy and humility. I am honored to have the support of my loving family, a caring partner, friends and people of faith who have accepted me as I come, while encouraging me to become who I am meant to be. My loved ones - you have endured much, loved much and made full the lives of all those around you. I thank you as one who has been blessed by your generosity and gentle spirits.

In the abundant amount of private time I have been afforded to reflect, I have been deeply moved by the memory of rich experiences brought about through the intersection of faith and music. Generous fans, humble churches, believers, stumblers, seekers, the broken, the faithful and the faithless, alike, through the common thread of music we have found ourselves in the same spaces ignoble in our own humanity. Where I often begin, alone in sacred spaces, to plumb and pen the depth of my own person, music draws me out to the land of others. I discover that I am not alone, nor have I ever been.

As ever,
Jennifer

http://www.jenniferknapp.com/


31 posted on 04/17/2010 2:38:09 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: BobL

I’ve known her for many years and on a few occasions met her “personal assistant”. It never donned on me that she was a homosexual even though i guessed her assistant was. I was shocked when I learned of her being gay about ten years ago. But after a little retrospect I felt silly thinking she was straight. She is truly a wonderful person and I pray the best for her. I have dreaded the day when she would return to music as the lesbian prodigal. She will only mislead alot of confused young people.


32 posted on 04/17/2010 2:39:11 PM PDT by wheathead (libtard sandwich: an abortion smothered in global warming on a peta bun.)
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To: hellbender

All sin is founded on rebellion to God. Therefore, in that sense, all sin is equivalent. But as far as how sinful behavior and actions manifest themselves, all sins are not equal nor do they have the same effect on the sinner or those around him or her.

It’s a long topic and I don’t have time to do it justice, but just as all physical ailments are not the same (hangnail, sunburn, measles, AIDs, cancer...), similarly the spiritual sickness of sin is a continuum.


33 posted on 04/17/2010 2:40:56 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: kcvl

So she’s saying she’s “meant to be” a homosexual.

So she’s proud of her aberration.


34 posted on 04/17/2010 2:43:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: SeekAndFind

Try again little girl. You miss the boat some where.


35 posted on 04/17/2010 2:44:59 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: kcvl

The other women in her life is more important to her than Christ apparently.


36 posted on 04/17/2010 2:45:14 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: SeekAndFind

Jennifer isn’t going to market herself as a Christian singer. She’s going more along the lines of a new-age spiritual genre. She’s not with a Christian recording label. Her first album, “Letting Go” will be a true test of how Knapp will be able to make it outside the industry.

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Knapp is very clear that she is not marketing herself as a Christian artist, a term with which she said she has never been comfortable. She’s no longer on a Christian-based record label, and her new album of folksy rock songs is described as being about “inner-conflicts, spirituality and life lessons.”

Knapp quit the industry and moved to Australia, she said, because she was simply exhausted by all the performing and unprepared for the challenges being a music star brought her way.

She said she began writing music again in earnest two years ago and the music, as well as the decision to go public with her sexuality, all happened “organically.” Knapp said she is no longer afraid of her gifts as a musician and now realizes that who she is as a private person can remain intact even as she shares herself with the world through her music.

“I was tired of not writing because I was afraid of what other people were going to think of me,” she said. “So for me it was a really healing process.”

Knapp said she realizes that some fans will now view her earlier work with lyrics about inner turmoil as evidence of the struggle between her beliefs and her sexuality. But she says she has always struggled as a person of faith to be the person she wants to be, and her sexuality was only a part of that, she said.

God has always known she would walk this path, Knapp said.

“I would rather be judged before God as being an honest human being,” she said. “If I am in any way unpleasing in his sight, I can only hope and pray that he gives me the opportunity to find who I am supposed to be.”

Perhaps the most telling clue to where Jennifer Knapp finds herself in life after so many years is contained in the title of her new album. It’s called “Letting Go.”


37 posted on 04/17/2010 2:48:22 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: SeekAndFind

38 posted on 04/17/2010 2:50:24 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: little jeremiah
We are all sinful! We are all imperfect. If we deny forgiveness to others, the Gospel is clear that we do not deserve it ourselves. As to gradations of sin, is Jennifer Knapp worse than a heterosexual father who physically and emotionally abuses his own children? Is she even remotely comparable to someone who cheats the public out of millions in order to achieve political power? If Jennifer were to blatantly assert that her lifestyle is blameless or even desirable, I would be disturbed. But frankly, what she does seems less disruptive to others than the rampant cheating which goes on in the heterosexual Hollyweird culture.

I often wonder about the morality of Christian musicians. I know some of them have been faithfully married for years, and some have adopted children. Most seem to me like fine people. Anyway, my judgment is meaningless. That of God is all that matters.

39 posted on 04/17/2010 2:57:55 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: SeekAndFind
From the first time I heard Jennifer Knapp
I was reminded of Melissa Etheridge.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

40 posted on 04/17/2010 3:12:44 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: hellbender

It’s not my job to forgive anyone except those who harm me personally. Forgiving those who harm me personally is my job. Forgiving others is God’s job. It’s offensive to think that I should around forgiving people I don’t even know or who have not harmed me personally.

Second, forgiveness of God is dependent on whether people are repentent or not. God does not forgive people who sin who are not truly repentent and continue on their merry way.

And just because all kinds of sin exist in the world does not mean some are not more egregious than others. I just have no clue where people get this erroneous idea. There is no homosexual act which is not an offense against nature. Homosexual acts used to be legally called “crimes against nature”. Sexual acts between a man and a woman may be sin if illicit, or may not be, if between a husband and wife and allowing the potentiality of life.

So you cannot compare the two. Of course, promsicuity, adultery, and the long list of even worse sexual sins is there. But to be an unrepentent proud homosexual is helping not only to degrade the general culture, but acts to influence young people. As does the other degraded lifestyles of all the “stars” both Hollywood, music and sports. USed to be that young people were encouraged to read biographies and look up to heroes and heroines who used their lives well for the benefit of humanity. Now they look up to those who are famous for their weath, thuggery, illicit sex and so-called beauty which is not only ephemeral as the mist in the morning, but a product of chemicals, surgeons and photoshop.


41 posted on 04/17/2010 3:53:49 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

I don’t know at this point whether Jennifer Knapp is a “proud, unrepentant” homosexual. I do know that there is no Biblical basis for believing that homosexuality is worse than other sins. I can think of a myriad of sins which seem worse to me than non-promiscuous lesbian homosexuality, but I am not “forgiving” Jennifer any more than I am condemning her. I do know that based on the scripture, I am in danger if I condemn anyone. I am disturbed that so many on FR are happy to bash homosexuals, while winking and laughing at heterosexual sin. I find nothing in the Bible which condemns “sin against nature.” In fact, that sounds like a concept rooted in atheistic evolutionary thinking. Christians are required to manifest only two things, which are love of God, and love of our neighbors. Jesus said his followers would be known not that they had pure doctrine, but that they loved one another.


42 posted on 04/17/2010 4:13:46 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: butterdezillion

Beautiful. Very well put!


43 posted on 04/17/2010 4:20:00 PM PDT by peteram
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To: hellbender

Love your neighbor does not mean condoning or minimizing sinful behavior, especially that which harms others.

It’s obvious she’s unrepetnent and proud. Just read what she wrote about herself, it’s clear as glass.

I don’t know what the heck you mean by “bashing” homsoexuals, but I help run the Homosexual Agenda ping list and I critize homosexual behavior and the agenda as much as I can because it harms people, families and the social fabric. So does abortion, so does promiscuity, so does the huge increase in illegitimate and fatherless children, etc.

The Bible may not use the phrase “crime against nature” but it’s also crystal clear from all scriptures including those of other religions, as well as biology, common sense, and news articles, that homosexuality is indeed a crime against nature.

Ever heard of Tough Love? Love the sinner but not the sin? We are not supposed to give up our God given discrimination and send of judgement. Everyone makes choices every day - what to listen to, how to spend money, what to say and not to say, what to read and what not to read, who to look up to or associate with, who not to, etc etc. We use our judgement, based on wisdom and intelligence, to make those choices. Love for God and all of God’s creatures doesn’t mean giving up our intelligent discrimination and use of judgement.


44 posted on 04/17/2010 4:28:20 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
I noticed that Amy Grant seems to have "returned to Christian music" also. Perhaps it is because her secular career was dying. IIRC, Amy was divorced. Divorce has wrought terrible damage on our society, yet it is winked at and tolerated, by and large. Who does more harm, a hetero divorcee who leaves confused and destabilized offspring in his/her quest for personal fulfillment, or a monogamous lesbian who has no children? There are millions of selfish divorced heterosexuals--far more than there are lesbians.

I think there is an obsession with homosexuality here on FR. Predatory, promiscuous male homosexuals are a threat, but so are predatory, promiscuous heterosexuals, who get a pass from many FReepers. Monogamous lesbians are another thing altogether. Lesbians tend to be much less promiscuous than male gays.

No one is ever going to convince me that homosexuality can compete with heterosexuality, no matter how much gays may seek to "recruit" among the young. "Nature" and instinct will always favor the latter. What is really the threat to the family and to human society is the hedonistic, selfish, totally unChristian lifestyle which is found both in the gay and hetero communities today. The only legitimate form of sexuality, both in terms of biology and Christian ethics, is that within faithful, monogamous, heterosexual marriage. The real division which matters is between selfishness and self-sacrificing love. We are taught that the proper love between man and woman is like that of Christ for the church. Are you as disturbed at how few heterosexuals live that way as you are about homosexuality?

I don't give a bleep what other "religions" think about "crimes against nature," let alone what the world's people think. Christianity is not another "religion"; it is obedience to and imitation of the Lord Jesus.

45 posted on 04/17/2010 4:56:07 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: hellbender
Remember that God is not willing that anyone should perish, and that homosexuality is not inherently worse than adultery, promiscuity, or other sins.

I would disagree with that. Homosexuality was consider "abomination". In practical terms, homosexuality is "inherently" more destructive than is adultery.

In addition to injuring relationships, homosexuality also comes with tremendous biological and psychological injury, and it is a rejection of natural order.

Abominations caused great pain and/or great injury.

46 posted on 04/17/2010 5:15:14 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

I place my faith in the holy scriptures. Where does it say that homosexuality is inherently more sinful than adultery? Why do the 10 Commandments specifically condemn adultery, while making no mention of homosexuality? How many gays are there, vs. the no. of hetero. adulterers? Marital cheating deeply wounds those who are cheated, both male and female. Divorce creates millions of confused and deeply disturbed children. I’ve known men who lived in poverty supporting children whom they were never allowed to see. Their suffering is beyond measure. Only about 1% of the population is homosexual, while something like 30% of children are born without an intact family. What is the greater “crime against nature?” What is harming society more?. Let’s get real here. I am not excusing homosexuality. I am trying to awaken people to the fact that the heterosexual hedonistic lifestyle is a far worse threat, affecting more people, yet many conservatives wink at the problem. The male homosexual lifestyle is also promiscuous, but quantitatively far less significant than the promiscuous and non-committed hetero lifestyle.


47 posted on 04/17/2010 5:37:30 PM PDT by hellbender
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Of course I am extremely disturbed about all the evils that are not only induged in by so many today but activetly promoted, and indeed, forced down our throats constantly not only by the media but by government.

That is why I started the Moral Absolutes ping list a few years ago.

The homosexual agenda is extremely detrimental to society and is now backed up by law - kids in schools across the country (and in other countries such as the UK) are now actively recruited into the “gay life” starting from kindergarten. The “sex positive” agenda goes all the way from the homosexual agenda, to lowering (evenutally with the goal to elminate entirely) age of consent laws, teaching little children that all sexual acitivity is beneficial including teaching them to masturbate, and so on.

The entire agenda is evil, and the homosexual agenda is the lynchpin. I’m sorry you do not see this, and perhaps you should look into GLSEN and other recruitment efforts.

Also, I do care what the religions of the world say because they are all in agreement that sexuality is for committed monogamous marriage, and in the US although overwhelmingly - and nominally - Christian, there are also many members of other religions. I’d like to see people of all faiths band together to fight the evil of degradation of culture to protect the family and children from the onslaught of immorality and hedonism, of which the homosexual agenda is the engine in many ways.


48 posted on 04/17/2010 5:42:27 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: SeekAndFind

Matthew 7:5 people...


49 posted on 04/17/2010 5:50:42 PM PDT by acad1228 (Palin/Watts in 2012!!!)
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To: hellbender
The bible specifically labels homosexuality as an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 YLT `And a man who lieth with a male as one lieth with a woman; abomination both of them have done; they are certainly put to death; their blood [is] on them.

It required a death penalty under the law, because the harm was so great.

It is continued in:

Romans 1: 24 Wherefore also God did give them up, in the desires of their hearts, to uncleanness, to dishonour their bodies among themselves; 25 who did change the truth of God into a falsehood, and did honour and serve the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed to the ages. Amen. 26 Because of this did God give them up to dishonourable affections, for even their females did change the natural use into that against nature; 27 and in like manner also the males having left the natural use of the female, did burn in their longing toward one another; males with males working shame, and the recompense of their error that was fit, in themselves receiving. 28 And, according as they did not approve of having God in knowledge, God gave them up to a disapproved mind, to do the things not seemly

Were David and Bathsheba put to death?

50 posted on 04/17/2010 6:06:18 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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