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NCAA - No Christians Allowed Anymore
Alleyesonchrist ^ | 4/21/2010 | Charles C. Matthews

Posted on 04/22/2010 1:49:04 PM PDT by alleyesonCHRIST

NCAA - No Christians Allowed Anymore? As a huge sports fan I found it interesting over the weekend when I discovered that without so much as a whisper the National Collegiate Athletics Association (NCAA) sucker punched the First Amendment of the Constitution. Among the proposed rule changes rolled out by the NCAA for the upcoming year is a ban on messages that appear on eye-black. Eye-black is the gummy black tape like stuff that football players wear beneath their eyes to eliminate glare from light. It goes without saying that the most notorious player who adorned himself with eye-black was former all-world Florida Gator quarterback Tim Tebow who would always put a Bible scripture verse on his eye-black in hopes that he would - gasp - make a positive influence in someone's life. In fact in the 2009 National Title Game Tebow sported the infamous John 3:16 Bible Verse on his eye-black. The result, 90 million Google searches for the verse the next day. In fact, the University of Tennessee's starting quarterback this past year Jonathon Crompton was saved after getting interested in the Bible when he saw Tebow's eye-black. In a day and age when football players bellyache about having to be role models, Tim Tebow has embraced the roll. He used his eye-black as a way to promote a positive message. Congratulations to the NCAA for getting yet another rule change wrong and in the process of removing messages from eye-black, giving itself a black-eye.


TOPICS: Activism; Current Events; General Discusssion; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: antichristianbigotry; athletes; christian; christianstudents; collegefootball; football; moralabsolutes; ncaa; purge; tebow

1 posted on 04/22/2010 1:49:04 PM PDT by alleyesonCHRIST
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To: alleyesonCHRIST

Do it anyway. Then file suit against the NCAA for violating the 1st Amendment.


2 posted on 04/22/2010 1:51:55 PM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: alleyesonCHRIST

Problem is what else might be posted on eyeblack. Yes, that stops another Tim Tebow from posting John 3:16 under his eyes. But it also stops “Allah Akbar”, “Praise Gaia” or other more inflamatory things as well.

The NCAA has opted for a blanket prohibition as opposed to trying to legislate what is acceptable or not. I can understand their position. Just sad that it has come to this is all.


3 posted on 04/22/2010 1:54:24 PM PDT by rstrahan
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To: alleyesonCHRIST

Believe me, some of the powers and writers are anti-Christian. How do you think this became an issue?


4 posted on 04/22/2010 1:54:34 PM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: alleyesonCHRIST

Eye-black is not just used for Christian messages. Some players put their area codes on the eye black, which is gangsta for the neighborhood they control. I remember Reggie Bush had his L.A. area code on his when he played @ USC.


5 posted on 04/22/2010 1:56:40 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: alleyesonCHRIST

While I understand and sympathize with your concern, calling it a violation of the 1st Amendment is disingenuous. The 1st Amendment does not, nor was it ever intended to regulate the rules and regulations of private organizations.


6 posted on 04/22/2010 1:57:08 PM PDT by Melas
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To: mrmeyer

Umm...because it’s not a violation of the 1st Amendment?


7 posted on 04/22/2010 1:57:59 PM PDT by Melas
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To: mrmeyer

The NCAA is not a branch of Government (or does it receive federal funding?)


8 posted on 04/22/2010 1:58:00 PM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Sans-Culotte

You are correct, and lots of gangbanger “playas” still do it. No doubt the NCAA would never have instituted this ban just for the bangers however, it took an eeeeevil Christian such as Tim Tebow to bring this important issue to a head. /sarc


9 posted on 04/22/2010 2:01:05 PM PDT by PermaRag (the stock market will stop bleeding when those who manipulate it START bleeding)
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To: alleyesonCHRIST

The NCAA instituted some questionable rules recently (including this one). The two others were that if a player is deemed to have celebrated before crossing the goal line then the TD doesn’t count. The other is that special teams can’t wedge block any more. From what I understand this essentially means no more than 2 players can be something like 2 yards apart when running down the field for kick/punt returns. Somebody needs to stick it to the NCAA soon or else crap like this will keep going on.


10 posted on 04/22/2010 2:03:11 PM PDT by camerongood210
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To: agere_contra
The NCAA is not a branch of Government (or does it receive federal funding?)

Without doing the research (and that might be stupid), I would imagine they get both state and federal funds indirectly. If I remember correctly, schools must pay a fee in order to be a part of the NCAA. Many schools get funding from the state and the state gets some sort of funding from the federal government. I don't imagine this money is earmarked in Congress to go to the NCAA but nevertheless, they receive funding from the government (in one way or another).

11 posted on 04/22/2010 2:06:33 PM PDT by camerongood210
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To: camerongood210

Boston College’s colors are Maroon and Gold. The colors of the Society of Jesus. Got a problem NCAA?


12 posted on 04/22/2010 2:08:17 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: rstrahan

I’m going to tattoo ‘allah akbar’ on my pet pigs’ ass.


13 posted on 04/22/2010 2:10:44 PM PDT by arrdon (Never underestimate the stupidity of the American Voter.)
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To: rstrahan

I’m going to tattoo ‘allah akbar’ on my pet pigs’ ass.


14 posted on 04/22/2010 2:11:09 PM PDT by arrdon (Never underestimate the stupidity of the American Voter.)
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To: massgopguy

I’m a Florida State fan (say what you will) and a few years ago they came after the school because the mascot (Seminoles) wasn’t PC. I guess they thought it was offensive to the Seminole tribe. Eventually key leaders from the tribe stood up for FSU saying they thought it was an honor to be the school’s mascot. FSU-1 NCAA-0


15 posted on 04/22/2010 2:12:07 PM PDT by camerongood210
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To: arrdon

Then you might have to tattoo “CENSORED” on top of that.


16 posted on 04/22/2010 2:16:15 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (If you could read my mind ... just count up the felonies!)
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To: mrmeyer

If this were the NFL, I would yawn about this, but it’s pretty demanding to apply to a non-scholarship player.


17 posted on 04/22/2010 2:16:35 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: mrmeyer
How did the NCAA violate the rule that Congress shall make no law...
18 posted on 04/22/2010 2:19:37 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: alleyesonCHRIST
When a college accepts the endorsement of, say Russell or Nike, that company supplying their equipment does not like the players to wear anything that is not in their line. And the players are penalized if they wear something not in the company line. I think the restriction to not wear any messages on the eye-black is more to keep the players from any kind of advertising that might endorse a rival brand.

Personally, I find the messaged eye-black to be disrupting, much like when you see a player wearing big, old diamond earrings that look like they borrowed them from their grandmother.

Actions off the field speak louder than anything written under somebody's eyes during the game.

19 posted on 04/22/2010 2:20:00 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: camerongood210

I am not sure there is a membership fee per se. I believe the NCAA’s sole income is almost exclusively shared through contract negotiations between the NCAA and member schools and media networks as well as branding rights on apparel(ie “Offical NCAA”).


20 posted on 04/22/2010 2:20:39 PM PDT by aft_lizard (Barack Obama is Hugo Chavez's poodle.)
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To: arrdon

What did that poor pig do to deserve that!


21 posted on 04/22/2010 2:22:30 PM PDT by Ronin
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To: camerongood210

I guess they do, although it was suspended this year, the NCAA membership fees are between 900-1800 dollars depending on level. Something many schools make in an hours worth of concession stands.


22 posted on 04/22/2010 2:24:25 PM PDT by aft_lizard (Barack Obama is Hugo Chavez's poodle.)
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To: alleyesonCHRIST

Not a First Amendment issue.


23 posted on 04/22/2010 2:25:07 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: alleyesonCHRIST
These are proposed changes? What other types of messages (besides Tebow's 3:16) have been written in the sticky black stuff?
24 posted on 04/22/2010 2:35:54 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Control the American people? Herding cats would be easier.)
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To: mrmeyer

The NCAA isn’t the government, they can abridge your freedom of speech on their fields during their games any time the want. Just like your boss.


25 posted on 04/22/2010 2:37:27 PM PDT by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: camerongood210

The wedge block rule is just copying the NFL rule from last year. They decided wedges caused to many injuries. Oddly enough average return yardage increased.


26 posted on 04/22/2010 2:39:17 PM PDT by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: alleyesonCHRIST

The headline is so full of stupid that I can hardly wrap my head around it. This is a good policy for the NCAA. What are they going to do, sit there and say only Jesus messages are allowed? That is not going to work out.


27 posted on 04/22/2010 2:50:30 PM PDT by Vindibudd
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To: massgopguy

Aren’t these the guys that covered the statue of the Sacred Heart because Obama did not want to appear with it on TV when he made a speech at BC?

If I am right, shame on BC, if I’m wrong I appologize to BC.


28 posted on 04/22/2010 2:58:31 PM PDT by 353FMG (What can Islam possibly contribute to America other than its destruction?)
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To: rstrahan

“Problem is what else might be posted on eyeblack. Yes, that stops another Tim Tebow from posting John 3:16 under his eyes. But it also stops “Allah Akbar”, “Praise Gaia” or other more inflamatory things as well.

The NCAA has opted for a blanket prohibition as opposed to trying to legislate what is acceptable or not. I can understand their position. Just sad that it has come to this is all.”

Exactly.


29 posted on 04/22/2010 3:52:41 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: arrdon

That would only get better if its name was Mohammed!


30 posted on 04/22/2010 4:02:05 PM PDT by NV Lawdog (In God I trust; Everybody else keep your hands where I can see them!)
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To: alleyesonCHRIST

Screw them, they aren’t a fiefdom.


31 posted on 04/22/2010 4:12:20 PM PDT by vpintheak (Love of God, Family and Country has made me an extremist.)
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To: rstrahan; P-Marlowe

It’s a free speech issue, rs, so I don’t mind if they put alla akbar on their eyeblack.

To allow messages, and only to forbid religious messages is an equal opportunity issue.

They must ban ALL messages, to include NIKE, Tostidos, etc., or they are selectively permitting messages on some athletes but not on other. JMHO.


32 posted on 04/22/2010 4:52:03 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

That’s asinine. Sponsors pay for their names to be on the uniforms. The player has no right to express himself on the NCAA’s field.

They’ve forbidden any private, personal expression. That’s a reasonable policy. The NFL doesn’t allow that either.


33 posted on 04/22/2010 5:25:15 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: discostu

Just like Jim Robinson.


34 posted on 04/22/2010 7:48:54 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Can around 25-30% moonbat base really steal the country from us and hold it?)
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To: Vindibudd

Actually - NO. I do not have a problem with any messages that are not obscene or vulgar. The problem is that EVERYONE knows that this is the Tebow rule. No other football player got so much attention as Tebow did.


35 posted on 04/23/2010 11:27:39 AM PDT by alleyesonCHRIST
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To: Melas

You are assuming the NCAA is a private organization. Courts have ruled this both ways, but there is at least a straight faced argument that the NCAA is a quasi-governmental agency. They do receive public funds from the government and the vast majority of their revenue is derived from government sponsored entities...mainly....public institutions.


36 posted on 04/23/2010 11:27:39 AM PDT by alleyesonCHRIST
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To: alleyesonCHRIST

You lost me at quasi. Anytime you have to adjectivally qualify something as a quasi anything, then it really doesn’t meet the criteria on it’s own.


37 posted on 04/23/2010 12:49:30 PM PDT by Melas
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