Where is America in Biblical Prophecy?

The Ignorant Fishermen Blog ^ | 4/22/10 | DJP I.F.

[The Ignorant Fisherman]

A resounding question asked by many today is, “Where is America in Biblical prophecy?” The simple answer is that our nation will still exist, but our military power and socio-economic position will have been reduced into a godless, base nation at that time. When Christ calls His Church out of the world by means of the Rapture, our nation will implode on itself (2 Thess. 2:7). Any remnant of restraint by Conservatives will then be removed, and our demise will arise by means of civil war and lawlessness - even nuclear destruction - to a state of total social collapse and anarchy. The prophetic words and warnings of our Founding Fathers against the violation of Almighty God’s natural laws will come to pass. America will reap a whirlwind of consequences from her godless doings, and tyranny and oppression will fill the vacuum once filled with justice and the rule of

[Ripliancum]

Well said, I couldn’t agree more.

[Doctor Don]

The North American Continent was unkown in Biblical times. IMHO America is not found in Scripture, because the writers did not know America existed!

[righttackle44]

Not true. I think America is in that little group of nations who get together in Ezekiel 38:13 to ask, [”]’Have you come to capture spoil? Have you assembled your company to seize plunder, to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to capture great spoil?’” America is part of the villages of Tarshish—that is to say, apparently very weak and very unimportant. The Rapture has occurred by the time of this invasion and America has been emptied of all born again Christians. Many leaders of business, society and our military are gone. Unless Obama confesses Christ as Savior, he will be here, too. As will Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, Pelosi et al, unless they have made the same profession of faith.

[El Cid]

Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

[Outlaw Woman]

The United States may be in that carnage but the church will be gone. That is what you meant correct?

[Ripliancum]

God knew America existed, and since the writers were writing the words of God as His prophets, then I would say the American Continent was certainly known in Biblical times. Perhaps not understood fully by His servants, but known to God.

[rcrngroup]

Yawn. The world is coming to an end - again...

But there will be a new heaven & a new earth established by the Lord Jesus Christ. Someday your words of scorn & mockery will come back to haunt you, perhaps throughout eternity.

II Peter 3:3-9
3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance
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[GOP Poet]

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[rcrngroup]

Very good recap....and I agree with your comments as a fellow gentile believer.

[mountn man]

The Bible is the inspired word of God, the authors didn’t have to know all of Gods meanings. They just had to communicate his words.It is the Holy Spirit that reveals Gods meanings to us.

[rcrngroup]

I think America is in that little group of nations who get together in Ezekiel 38:13 to ask, [”]’Have you come to capture spoil? Have you assembled your company to seize plunder, to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to capture great spoil?’” America is part of the villages of Tarshish—that is to say, apparently very weak and very unimportant.

Thanks! I never thought of it this way. I tend to agree with you! As well as the 2nd half of your comments, especially regarding our so-called "leaders" (0bama, Reid, Pelosi, etc) who will likely have been left behind after the Rapture unless they truly become born again.

[Ripliancum]

Excellent summary! Agreed. It’s up to us to use his spirit to understand his words. They were given by inspiration, we should read them the same way. Thanks.

[BMWR1200C]

Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.

[Artcore]

“The statement was made by our Lord Jesus Christ. It is true. Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God. It can work for Hannity or anyone who will let it happen.”
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I know it’s true...I never said it wasn’t!

I just think it’s a bit tacky the way he uses it to go to a commercial break! This is God’s Word, not some slogan for a television or radio show!

[Safrguns]

>>> Bible prophesy isn’t about the US. IF it is about ANY nation, its strictly Israel.

I think that is what I was saying.
However, there are other nations that appear in prophecy besides Israel... America is just not one of them.

I agree with most everything else you said with one exception:

>>> God blessed this nation for a season, but whether now or the future, that blessing will end. That blessing is for Israel alone.

Now... since we both agree that America is not addressed in biblical prophecy, how can you know this?

God says in His word that the nations which curse Israel will be cursed... and that the nations which bless Israel will be blessed... so the real question comes down to this:

Does America bless Israel? or does it curse it?

Clearly the leadership and authority which has been allowed to take hold in this country curses Israel... but is the administration speaking on behalf of the nation? or on behalf of the nations which have successfully infiltrated our system?

God also says in His word that He uses all things for good.

Judgment does not come until the tribulation begins... and at that time of the rapture, America will simply cease to exist, because too much of it will simply vanish in the blink of an eye. But... until then, this nation is represented by the voices and hearts of it’s people... Not the president.

God brought this country into existence for His purpose... not our “blessing”. His purpose for this nation is not complete... so until we can demonstrate that the core of this nation stands against Israel, it is somewhat premature to suggest that the current administration represents the end of America’s blessings from God.

[Never A Dull Moment]

I offer the following in hopes that it provides answers to some of the questions posted. The answer to the question of the US being mentioned in the "End of Days' is found in the Torah, the Zohar, Midrash, Gemorah, and of course, in the writings of the Holy Niviim- the ancient Jewish prophets. You need to read Hebrew to find it, and fully understand the original writings. And, there is just so much of it, it requires an entire web site to post it all, and offer accurate translations from the original Hebrew scripture. However there are a few sites that do: Here are a few: http://yeranenyaakov.blogspot.com/2006/06/end-of-days-where-are- we-part-1-of-3.html http://www.redemption5768.com It may amaze many of you that America is indeed mentioned. It is the nation of "Edom" and Washington DC is "Romi, or Rome". And, if you look back into US history, you will find that the area of Maryland we now know as Washington DC, was indeed named "Rome." Edom betrays Israel, and as a result G-D destroys Edom leaving it desolate and uninhabitable. Obama is referred to as the Armilus. His name is very clearly given in code, as is his evil purpose, in Gematria, one of the coded languages of the Torah- Zohar. Here is a link where you will find these translations: http://www.redemption5768.com/ARTICLE1.pdf These portions are from the Zohar the innermost "center" or Rose, of the Torah) It was written before Christianity and Islam existed, making it all the more shocking to those not familiar with these scriptures. Zohar I, Va'era 32a: "

In the future the children of Yishmael will stir great wars in the world. And the children of Edom will gather against them, and make war with them, one on the sea, and one on the land, and one by Jerusalem; and each one will prevail over the other but the Holy Land will not fall to the hands of Edom.

 At the same time, a nation from the end of the world will be awakened against wicked Romi. And it will make war against her for three months, and many nations will gather there, and they will fall by her hand, until all the children of Edom will gather against her from all corners of the earth. And then G-d will awaken Himself against them, as it says, a "a sacrificial slaughter for the Lord in Batzra", and it says, "to shake the corners of the Land". 


Zohar HaKadosh: "
A nation will arise from one end of the world against the wicked Romi and will war against them for 3 months. Other nations will join the war and will fall into their hands, till all Edom will unite against this nation. Then HKB"H will 'arise' against them, as it says, A gigantic massacre in the land of Edom." Zohar III Shalach Lecha 166a: 

 "The King of Persia will rule and will conquer many kingdoms. He will rule over the Holy Land for twelve months. He will rule and kill many and afterwards the King (of Persia) will fall and the high holy ones (Israel) will receive the kingship." 


[Ripliancum]

Here's some more food for thought, this time from Isaiah. WE SHOULD CONSIDER OURSELVES WARNED. Looks like a close match to me.

Isaiah 18:
1 Woe to the land shadowing with wings, which is beyond the rivers of Ethiopia:
2 That sendeth ambassadors by the sea, even in vessels of bulrushes upon the waters, saying, Go, ye swift messengers, to a nation scattered and peeled, to a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden down, whose land the rivers have spoiled!
3 All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign on the mountains; and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye.
4 For so the Lord said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest.
5 For afore the harvest, when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall both cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks, and take away and cut down the branches.
6 They shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall summer upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them.
7 ¶ In that time shall the present be brought unto the Lord of hosts of a people scattered and peeled, and from a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden under foot, whose land the rivers have spoiled, to the place of the name of the Lord of hosts, the mount Zion.

[The Ignorant Fisherman]

bingo!

[The Ignorant Fisherman]

No... They couldn’t be more wrong. Jerusalem is Jerusalem.. That city is in God’s future program for His glory. Oh.. what a place that will be in the Kingdom age.

New Jerusalem (Rev 21) is God’s Eternal Heavenly city, perfect, sinless. Only the saved from Adam to the last individual at the end of Christ’s 1000 year reign will abide there in their eternal perfect state. That city is the abode for all who have trusted in God’s perfect Lamb. The Messiah of Israel.. the Lord Jesus Christ/Messiah. Individuals from Adam to the cross all looked and believed what God would do. From the cross to the end of time all will look back at what God has done.

Those false Prophets.. thoses individuals need to repent and believe God’s clear cut message about what will be. The future is all about Israel being restored and the chief nation coming up in the Kingdom age. Rome also is not the eternal capital either.

[The Ignorant Fisherman]

lol...all we need to know.. Israel sure is though... it’s moving to the east!

http://www.theignorantfishermen.com/2008/07/sets-in-west-and-rises-in-east.html