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Glenn Beck to Give Liberty U. Commencement Speech
Christianity Today ^ | April 23, 2010 | Sarah Pulliam Bailey

Posted on 04/23/2010 8:46:44 PM PDT by Colofornian

Fox News commentator Glenn Beck will deliver the commencement address at Liberty University's May 15 graduation.

“Beck is one of the few courageous voices in the national media standing up for the principles upon which this nation was founded,” Jerry Falwell Jr., chancellor of Liberty University, said in the school newspaper's story.

The baccalaureate address will be delivered by Paige Patterson, president of the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, whom Falwell called one of the “patriarchs of Christian higher education."

SNIP

In 2008, Focus on the Family pulled an interview with Beck over concerns with his Mormon faith. Christianity Today did a feature on Liberty last fall and has followed Beck's call to "leave your church" if it promotes social justice.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.christianitytoday.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Ecumenism; Evangelical Christian; Other Christian
KEYWORDS: 2010commencements; beck; christiancolleges; evangelical; fallwell; glennbeck; lds; liberty; libertyu; mormon; virginia
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Well, let's see. Sun Myung Moon bought the Washington Times, which has given readers a more conservative alternative than the Washington Post. So why hasn't Liberty invited the head Moonie to speak on campus?

From the article: In 2008, Focus on the Family pulled an interview with Beck over concerns with his Mormon faith.

Good for them.

1 posted on 04/23/2010 8:46:45 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Glenn Beck who is a Mormon has probably been doing more for the country than Focus on the Family.


2 posted on 04/23/2010 8:54:16 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Colofornian

I like Glen, but this is a mistake.

Jerry Falwell would not have done this.


3 posted on 04/23/2010 8:59:37 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus

First off, let me say I like Glenn Beck and the role he is playing in exposing the evils of the current US government; however, I am a Southern Baptist pastor and would not allow Glenn Beck in my pulpit due to his mormon faith. Someone has made a very poor decision, which is a clear violation of the Scripture.


4 posted on 04/23/2010 9:12:37 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Colofornian

Glenn Beck to Give Liberty U. Commencement Speech
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Church Lady: “Well isnt that speshall...”


5 posted on 04/23/2010 9:12:56 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian

It’s a commencement address, not a sermon. Seems like Liberty wants to stir up their students toward patriotic principles. And according to this article, maybe that’s what they need (evidently some of the students think he’s too conservative and shouldn’t be allowed to speak.)

http://www.wset.com/news/stories/0410/729102.html


6 posted on 04/23/2010 9:25:17 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: dawn53
It’s a commencement address, not a sermon. Seems like Liberty wants to stir up their students toward patriotic principles. And according to this article, maybe that’s what they need (evidently some of the students think he’s too conservative and shouldn’t be allowed to speak.)

I don't think the last part of your conclusion is true. And while the first part might be a good description of the dynamics here...
...(and Beck would probably show decent discernment in what he would share vs. bringing in his peculiar Mormon "gospel version" into that arena)...
...the real issue is you cannot separate/compartmentalize the person from the anti-gospel he spreads.

Beck has produced, with the help of Mormon Church-owned Deseret Book Company, the DVD An Unlikely Mormon: The Conversion Story of Glenn Beck (2008).

I visited http://deseretbook.com -- which is owned by the Mormon church -- to find its description of this Lds resource. Here's an excerpt of their description of GLENN BECK's PRESENTATION that GLENN BECK APPROVED for his religious body to circulate worldwide!

...In this presentation, Glenn Beck tells an audience of nearly 7,000 about his conversion to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints...Glenn bears his testimony about home teaching, tithing, and the transforming power of the Spirit....Glenn's story will strengthen the testimony of any Latter-day Saint. In addition, An Unlikely Mormon will be an ideal missionary tool.

So, here you have the person putting "ideal missionary tools" into the hands of Mormons everywhere
-- Mormons who are pulling some Christians out of churches with their false gospel and proselytizing other potentially future Christians into their false cult
-- and you essentially have Liberty University, a Baptist based university, 'high-fiving' Beck, saying, "Way to go!"

Liberty University decision-makers have shown terrible discernment.

7 posted on 04/23/2010 9:35:29 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: evangmlw

I believe that Glenn Beck is Mormon light. There are many, many of these people, who believe they have found God and family by becoming a Mormon. They have absolutely NO idea of what goes on in the Temple worship. They have only given their 10% of income, much like Tom Cruise gives his money to Scientology. He has not become a leader in the church, going to ceremony after ceremony, swearing he will cut his throat before he would reveal the secrets of the temple, which by the way is protected by the Pentagram (it is on their holy underwear as well).


8 posted on 04/23/2010 9:47:23 PM PDT by Semperfiwife (We are the Sons of Liberty!!!)
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To: RepublicanChick

ping!


9 posted on 04/23/2010 9:53:07 PM PDT by kara2008
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To: Semperfiwife

The only emblem on their underwear is a compass and a square.

No pentagram.


10 posted on 04/23/2010 10:24:46 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Semperfiwife
I believe that Glenn Beck is Mormon light.

Heck... MOST of MORMONism's members are Mormonlight!

They, like their past Living Prophet, announce "I don't know that we teach that" when FACTS concerning MORMONism - straight from their own WEBSITES - are shown on FR.

11 posted on 04/24/2010 3:45:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vendome
 
 
 
 
 
Or....

 
The only emblem on their underwear is a compass and a square.
 


2 Nephi 3:12 Wherefore, the fruit of thy loins write; and the fruit of thy loins of Judah shall write; and that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins, and also that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins of Judah, shall grow together,

2 Nephi 3:18 And the Lord said unto me also: I will raise up unto the fruit of thy loins; and I will make for him a spokesman. And I, behold, I will give unto him that he shall write the writing of the fruit of thy loins, unto the fruit of thy loins; and the spokesman of thy loins shall declare it.

Joseph Smith Translation Gen. 50: 27   Thus saith the Lord God of my fathers unto me, A choice seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins, and he shall be esteemed highly among the fruit of thy loins; and unto him will I give commandment that he shall do a work for the fruit of thy loins, his brethren.

Joseph Smith Translation Gen. 50: 31    Wherefore the fruit of thy loins shall write, and the fruit of thy loins of Judah shall write; and that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins, and also that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins of Judah, shall grow together


12 posted on 04/24/2010 3:53:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; Semperfiwife; Colofornian; colorcountry; greyfoxx39; reaganaut
I believe that Glenn Beck is Mormon light.

You are getting close, but it is much more than just that. In my short sixty nine years on this earth I have seen many of these "types". There are a few in every ward trying to ascend. They are "pretty boys' that pander with their oh so sincere testimonies. They can cry on command. In most cases they are using the religion to get something or to get gain in the ranks. In many ways they resemble Falwell. They also copy others.

I love watching these big pretenders with all show and no substance, out there preening and using talking points of others as if they too are one of the boys. Usually and eventually their true colors are revealed.

Lightweight Beck is an accident waiting to happen.

13 posted on 04/24/2010 5:50:02 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, Twelve Miles East of Zion National Park)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Church Lady: “Well isnt that speshall...”

I wonder who got him the gig? Hmm? Could it be, I don't know,...Ssaatan?

14 posted on 04/24/2010 5:55:14 AM PDT by genetic homophobe
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Pat Robertson did the same thing with his invite to Romney to speak at Regent University commencement 3 years ago. Same thing here, different Mormon.

Ironically, the Catholic Cardinal over all of North America was invited to speak at Mormon BYU University just last month.

Nothing to see here, move along...


15 posted on 04/24/2010 7:06:10 AM PDT by Ripliancum (I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-4)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

How so? Just because Beck is louder does not in any way mean is has “done more”.


16 posted on 04/24/2010 7:10:07 AM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: Semperfiwife

Most (the majority of) LDS do not have any idea what the very foundation of LDS is or what is taught in the inner circles of the temple.


17 posted on 04/24/2010 7:11:43 AM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: Colofornian

jerry is turning over in his grave


18 posted on 04/24/2010 8:01:20 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Semperfiwife

He is a temple worthy mormon ...


19 posted on 04/24/2010 8:05:48 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Colofornian
If I were an official at Liberty University I would let Beck or Romney speak under three conditions:

1) No LDS propoganda (and the university reserves the right to review the final draft of the speech to assure this).

2) You may not lead the assembly in prayer (they would be allowed to take part in any offered prayers but not lead them).

3) In the commencement materials, there will be a statement that the official university position has always been that the LDS "Church" is not a Christian church and inviting this speaker in no way represents a change in nor a weakening of that position.

If they would agree to those conditions, I would let them speak. Both Romney and Beck could speak to current topics of interest to the audience. Of course, lots of other non-Christians could too.

20 posted on 04/24/2010 9:19:55 AM PDT by CommerceComet
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To: CommerceComet
On #2, yes, and this was the position of Walter Martin. Yes, pray with Mormons; but don't let them lead in praying to their false gods.

On #3, Beck would not agree to it & would probably deem it insulting.

Therefore, Liberty is not issuing any qualifier or caveat. It was a carte-blanche invite, which thereby means it was issued with Liberty's carte blanche endorsement of all Beck products.

I suppose we now can expect Liberty to invite a whole host of future cultists?
(1) Sun Myung Moon hated the communists after having been locked up by them in Korea. So Liberty can invite Moon to speak on anti-communism. (Never mind that he's a Messianic rival to Jesus; and some even claim he has somehow helped the North Koreans obtain submarines). Source for 2nd tidbit: http://www.mda.mil/global/documents/pdf/env_bmds_peis_vol3.pdf p. K-182

(2) According to the book referenced below, Jehovah's Witnesses oppose abortion and euthanasia. Therefore, when can we expect Liberty to invite the "grand poobah" of Kingdom Halls to come to the Liberty campus to enlighten its students on the JW sanctity of life ethic? (source: p. 40 of book Cultures of Color in America).

(3) A number of years ago, when Scientologists thought they were getting the short shrift of religious liberties by govt officials and reputation-wise, they did two things:
(a) They started having some of their leaders to wear white collars so they would be officially "recognized" as "ministers";
(b) They started putting out in-depth flyers and newspapers geared toward religious liberties and how our country was founded on religious liberties and how we need to cherish and protect religious liberties. And oh, BTW, especially Scientologists' "liberties!"

Therefore, when can we expect Liberty to start inviting Scientology reps to come on campus to speak out protecting religious liberties?

21 posted on 04/24/2010 10:00:18 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: CommerceComet
Oh, and also...
(4) Islam vehemently opposes homosexuality. So we can now expect Liberty to bring us an Imam who will discuss this subject as well?
22 posted on 04/24/2010 10:09:23 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
On #3, Beck would not agree to it & would probably deem it insulting.

Then the controversy would be settled. I wouldn't have an issue if BYU put reasonable restraints on a speaker. While I wouldn't deliberably attempt to insult a Mormon speaker, if he or she gets insulted by me (or my organization) acting in accordance with my conscience, then so be it. As I stated, an organization has a right to limit the content of the speaker's talk (within reason) or to state a fundamental disagreement with the speaker. If the speaker doesn't like it, he or she can go elsewhere. The limitations are making it clear that the university wants to hear Beck's political insights, not his Mormon testimony.

Therefore, Liberty is not issuing any qualifier or caveat.

That's what I feared.

It was a carte-blanche invite, which thereby means it was issued with Liberty's carte blanche endorsement of all Beck products.

I'm not sure I would make the same inference.

23 posted on 04/24/2010 11:33:37 AM PDT by CommerceComet
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To: Semperfiwife; evangmlw

He has not become a leader in the church, going to ceremony after ceremony, swearing he will cut his throat before he would reveal the secrets of the temple, which by the way is protected by the Pentagram (it is on their holy underwear as well).

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beck is temple worthy, and thus has taken out the oaths in the temple, (the throat cutting words were cut in 1990), and they have the compass and square on their garments, not a pentagram, although they do have pentagrams in their temple architecture.

Nevertheless, Beck is NOT ‘mormon light’. He is decieved and apparently hasn’t researched his faith like he researches politics, which is sad


24 posted on 04/24/2010 12:13:16 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christan - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Colofornian

I was never a big fan of Falwell, but I am concerned about LU giving quarter and honor to a member of a non-Christian group.


25 posted on 04/24/2010 12:14:17 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christan - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Utah Binger

In most cases they are using the religion to get something or to get gain in the ranks.

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If you are right about this, then it gives more credence to my ‘prophecy’ that Beck will come out in support of Romney (who comes from LDS royalty and much more likely to become a General Authority).


26 posted on 04/24/2010 12:31:35 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christan - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Ripliancum

Just because it has happened before doesn’t make it right.


27 posted on 04/24/2010 12:32:17 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christan - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
Not to you perhaps, but to the leaders of these schools it does.
28 posted on 04/24/2010 12:35:58 PM PDT by Ripliancum (I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-4)
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To: Colofornian; All

I just called the University and left a message on the Chancellor’s voice mail expressing my concern about their inviting a non-Christian to speak at their commencement with no caveat.

(434) 582-2000 (University Switchboard), hit 0 for operator and asked for the Chancellor’s office.


29 posted on 04/24/2010 12:43:35 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christan - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Ripliancum

And they should be informed that others do not agree with them.

Leaders of schools do stupid things all the time, and things that upset their donors/alumni.

Would you just sit by if BYU invited Chavez to speak at their commencement? Or Richard Dawkins?

No non-Christian should be invited to speak at a Christian college commencement. And Mormons are NOT Christians, by their own theology.


30 posted on 04/24/2010 12:46:38 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christan - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
It's interesting that you think that you are more intelligent or have thought it through more the Chancellors of these universities. No offense, but to me this is also symptomatic of you thinking Glenn Beck didn't research out Mormonism thoroughly before joining the Church, despite the statements by Beck himself that he did.

I'm sure glad everyone is not cut from the same mold.

Have a nice day.

31 posted on 04/24/2010 12:53:08 PM PDT by Ripliancum (I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-4)
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To: reaganaut

I concur!


32 posted on 04/24/2010 1:15:08 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Ripliancum

Having worked at Universities, it is a reasonable assumption that I have thought it through more than most Chancellors do. It is a ‘dirty little secret’ that useless profs with tenure or ones that have ‘gone off’ are promoted to Administration.

Secondly, ‘making it personal’ is against forum rules. :) Shame on you.

Finally, if Beck had REALLY studied Mormon doctrine and history before he joined, he never would have fallen for Mormonism. It is too easy to pick apart.


33 posted on 04/24/2010 1:23:15 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christan - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

Are you saying Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell Jr. are “useless profs with tenure” who don’t care about their own Universities?

Perhaps you should apply for the job at both universities.

Or get your own show on Fox and be known for a great researcher and with an astute mind with reasoning abilities above most.

I’m sure you can do any of them so much better. ;-)


34 posted on 04/24/2010 1:31:52 PM PDT by Ripliancum (I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-4)
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To: reaganaut

They’re all running for GA including Beck. He just has not learned that there is no advantage for the brethren to select him as he doesn’t have the proper cachet nor the Mormon Royalty blood.

Romney on the other hand may just give up politics and start running for GA. That way he could say he has been given a “higher calling”.

And then all of the passed over little morgbots of this world will be swooning. He could then bring along the idiot Harry Reid as he too will soon be out of work.


35 posted on 04/24/2010 1:45:11 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, Twelve Miles East of Zion National Park)
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To: reaganaut

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2499807/posts


36 posted on 04/24/2010 1:57:58 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, Twelve Miles East of Zion National Park)
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To: Ripliancum

In those cases they were televangelists who founded the Universities and THAT is why they go the job.

They may care, but that doesn’t mean they don’t make poor decisions.

And I probably could do better, but I like current profession, TYVM and I love my anonymity.

And I wouldn’t call Beck a ‘great’ anything, much less researcher.


37 posted on 04/24/2010 1:58:12 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christan - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Utah Binger

They’re all running for GA including Beck. He just has not learned that there is no advantage for the brethren to select him as he doesn’t have the proper cachet nor the Mormon Royalty blood.

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Exactly. Beck doesn’t have much of a chance to ever make GA, Romney has a good chance, OTOH.

And I think you are on to something with the “higher calling”.


38 posted on 04/24/2010 2:00:22 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christan - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Ripliancum; reaganaut
Or get your own show on Fox and be known for a great researcher and with an astute mind with reasoning abilities above most

#1 Beck pays his researchers to research for him;
#2 beyond that, how many hundreds of thousands of people have an "astute mind" with above-average "reasoning abilities"?

39 posted on 04/24/2010 2:19:48 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

... a great researcher and with an astute mind with reasoning abilities above most

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I certainly wouldn’t say that bout Beck in the least.

You are correct about him paying his researchers (I suppose I could apply for THAT job - I am a researcher anyway after all), and if he was that astute and had that ‘above average’ reasoning abilities, then WHY on Earth is he LDS?

Unless he is just lying to everyone and is only a member for the social things or to please his wife and he really doesn’t believe it, which would make him deceptive and thus not trustworthy.

Just another example of ‘Beck Worship’ that we see on here.


40 posted on 04/24/2010 2:26:19 PM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: All
I'm just fascinated by the way Beck's contributions are diminished by the antis on this site, as if you can counter the great work he is doing, in order to fit the anti Mormon agenda. Conservatism be damned, let's fry the dude for being misguided, deceived and a cultist.

But let's not word it so harshly, lest we offend other conservatives who appreciate him for what he is doing. Let's just say we are praying for him every day to come to his senses...

Shaking my head.

41 posted on 04/24/2010 2:27:21 PM PDT by Ripliancum (I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-4)
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To: Ripliancum; reaganaut
...let's fry the dude for being misguided, deceived and a cultist.

If you go back to post #7, my major concern with Beck is not that he chooses to practice whatever religion he wants. It's that he exports it for others to embrace.

It's one thing if somebody wants to home-grow their spiritual "pot" in their backyard tares; 'tis another when they say it has "street value" and hypes it door-to-door to unwary users.

Beck's backpack, white shirt, tie & bicycle is his DVD & microphone.

42 posted on 04/24/2010 2:44:44 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian; Ripliancum

If you go back to post #7, my major concern with Beck is not that he chooses to practice whatever religion he wants. It’s that he exports it for others to embrace.

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BINGO!


43 posted on 04/24/2010 4:36:15 PM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Ripliancum

Hey Rip, you may want to come support Beck on this thread...he seems to need it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2499807/posts?q=1&;page=1#1


44 posted on 04/24/2010 4:43:21 PM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Ripliancum; All

Conservatism be damned, let’s fry the dude for being misguided, deceived and a cultist.

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Not fry him, certainly, but definitely not accept what he says without question or trust him without verifying. He has proven that, in his personal life at least, he is not completely reliable or researches everything as much as he says he does.


45 posted on 04/24/2010 4:49:28 PM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Colofornian

Haven’t watched Beck’s show in a while until recently. I like what he says and I think it does a lot of good.


46 posted on 04/24/2010 6:31:28 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Show me one example where the results of Democrat policy are not the opposite of what they promise.)
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To: reasonisfaith

Something always comes up though, and he ends up seeming to be on the wrong track. I must say, he still fails the test when it comes to Obama’s eligibility.


47 posted on 04/24/2010 6:37:45 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Show me one example where the results of Democrat policy are not the opposite of what they promise.)
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To: Ripliancum
No offense, but to me this is also symptomatic of you thinking Glenn Beck didn't research out Mormonism thoroughly before joining the Church, despite the statements by Beck himself that he did.

Got a link for this assertion, so that I can 'research it myself'?

48 posted on 04/24/2010 7:40:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
Finally, if Beck had REALLY studied Mormon doctrine and history before he joined, he never would have fallen for Mormonism. It is too easy to pick apart.

But one has to do this while having a CHRISTIAN background, or there is NOTHING to stop considering MORMONism as viable, just like Islam, Hinduism or Christianity.

49 posted on 04/24/2010 7:43:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Good catch. I’m expecting crickets on that documentation.


50 posted on 04/24/2010 7:49:45 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christan - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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