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Popular Galt Pastor Mary Sanders leaves after church votes to secede... { ELCA }
Lodi News-Sentinel ^ | 4/26/10 | Ross Farrow

Posted on 04/26/2010 2:16:51 PM PDT by SmithL

Popular Galt Pastor Mary Sanders leaves after church votes to secede from Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

A second Lutheran church in the Lodi-Galt area has voted to leave its parent organization over the liberalization of gay rights.

The congregation at Shepherd of the Valley Lutheran Church voted 49-12 on April 18 to part ways with the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. The vote resulted in Pastor Mary Sanders leaving the Galt church because of her desire to remain with the ELCA. The issue came to a head when the ELCA national convention voted on Aug. 21 to allow gays in committed relationships to be pastors and deacons. However, no church would be forced to accept a gay religious leader. Convention delegates, in their vote last year, didn't vote to allow gay marriage.

Shepherd of the Valley became the second local Lutheran church to opt out of the ELCA. Pending a final vote on June 13, Emanuel Lutheran Church in Lodi, known as a theologically conservative church, stands to leave the organization as well. Emanuel's congregation voted 162-32 on Feb. 21 to leave the ELCA, though organizational bylaws require a final vote in June, said Alice Reimche, president of Emanuel's church council.

Sandy Lindquist, president of Shepherd of the Valley's church council, said after Sunday's service that she couldn't discuss that day why the congregation voted to leave ELCA. The congregation, meeting without Sanders, discussed which organization the Galt church might affiliate with, along with a possible severance package for the departing pastor.

"She is an excellent pastor," church member Michael Greer said after Sunday's service. "She was very involved in the community, which speaks very well for our church."

Sanders is well known in Galt and converses regularly with pastors in the community. She has served as a crisis and grief counselor on a rotating basis with other pastors for crime victims and grieving families in Galt.

"It was a very difficult decision for everyone," said Colleen Hurley, who offered a prayer for Sanders during the service. "We will miss Mary very much."

Sanders said she chose to remain in the ELCA and therefore leave Shepherd of the Valley because God led her that way.

"I believe the Holy Spirit was at work in the discussions which took place last year and in the years previous," Sanders wrote in an e-mail Sunday. "I believe the spirit led the results of the vote. I also am convinced there is room in the body of Christ and the ELCA for a variety of understandings of Holy Scripture and questions about it. I am sorry that so many feel otherwise."

Mattie Shepherd, who said she isn't a church member but attends services regularly at Shepherd of the Valley, said she doesn't agree with her congregation's decision.


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: elca; exodus; galt; lutheran
Mary Sanders, right, presents a gift to pianist Colleen Van Egmond-Avila at a reception after Sanders' final service at Shepherd of the Valley Lutheran Church in Galt. Ed Lindquist is at center. Sanders is leaving after 12 years, following her congregation's vote to leave the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America.
1 posted on 04/26/2010 2:16:51 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL
A second Lutheran church in the Lodi-Galt area has voted to leave its parent organization over the liberalization of gay rights.

A second Lutheran church in the Lodi-Galt area has voted to leave its parent organization over the sanctioning of sodomy.

2 posted on 04/26/2010 2:19:17 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: SmithL

Separating the wheat from the tares.


3 posted on 04/26/2010 2:19:44 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: SmithL

My dad calls the ELCA “the Church of Whatever”.


4 posted on 04/26/2010 2:20:12 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: lightman; rhema

Exodus


5 posted on 04/26/2010 2:20:26 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Hey, Mary, don’t let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya. This church is obviously better off getting a pastor that agrees with their desire to adhere to biblical principles.


6 posted on 04/26/2010 2:22:47 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: SmithL
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America??

How can a church be Evangelical and pro gay pastors?

7 posted on 04/26/2010 2:24:21 PM PDT by pollywog ("Under His Wings".........Psalm 91:4)
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To: Mojave

“Come out from among them”-St. Paul


8 posted on 04/26/2010 2:26:43 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: circlecity
Maybe less so than you imagine. ELCA, like all other multicongregation religious organizations, has a "retirement package". It's most likely written up by Fidelity.

There are clauses in the contract regarding what happens when you walk away from "the plan".

I'm guessing this particular Lutheran priest figured out pretty quickly that her current retirement package is more beneficial in the long run than the new one offered by the new affilation.

What these preachers, priests, and prayer leaders need are portable retirements. Then they wouldn't have to make such ignant looking decisions.

9 posted on 04/26/2010 2:28:20 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: SmithL

“I believe the spirit led the results of the vote”

The spirit of demons, yeah, but not the Holy Spirit.


10 posted on 04/26/2010 2:28:30 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: pollywog
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America??

How can a church be Evangelical and pro gay pastors?

Because "evangelical" doesn't always and in all contexts mean "conservative protestant who aren't the mean fundamentalists".

11 posted on 04/26/2010 2:33:05 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (Dispensational exegesis not supported by an a-, post- or historic pre-mil scholar will be ignored.)
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To: SmithL

I would interpret this differently. The ELCA left the scriptures, and a second church in this area voted to stay with scripture. There isn’t a lot of room for honest “interpretation” when it comes to homosexual behavior and scripture, just for reading the Bible and following God’s word or choosing to ignore God’s word.


12 posted on 04/26/2010 2:34:44 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...


Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

Alleluia! Christ is Risen!

13 posted on 04/26/2010 2:43:10 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: rwfromkansas

The Church of Psychobabble.


14 posted on 04/26/2010 2:50:59 PM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: SmithL

Any “church” with a woman as a pastor (of any sort) is already well down the path to perdition.


15 posted on 04/26/2010 3:00:39 PM PDT by politicket (1 1/2 million attended Obama's coronation - only 14 missed work!)
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To: SmithL

She can’t be a great pastor if she believes the pro-gay elca vote, which was ironically preceded by a lightning strike on the cross of the church where they were meeting to vote that morning, was a ‘Holy-Spirit led’ vote.

It was a ‘spirit’ led vote, but not the Holy Spirit. that is for certain.

and of course biblically women are not allowed to be pastors. She could be a great Christian education teacher, just not a pastor.


16 posted on 04/26/2010 3:07:30 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: muawiyah

Did you hear her explanation? She agrees with the pro-gay vote. She said she thinks God made the vote turn out that way.

I take her at her word.


17 posted on 04/26/2010 3:09:17 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: SmithL

This is a twist on “going Galt.”


18 posted on 04/26/2010 3:09:26 PM PDT by Disambiguator (Progressivism, Socialism, Marxism, Communism - it's all shades of black.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
She's lying.

It's the retirement package ~ they'll say anything to stay in the good graces of the folks who manage it.

19 posted on 04/26/2010 3:10:39 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: SmithL

Better to let ELCA keep her priestesses....


20 posted on 04/26/2010 3:12:25 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: muawiyah

Has it occurred to you that both could be true? I have no reason to doubt a female single ‘pastor’ in ELCA when she says she believes the pro-gay vote ELCA took was “Spirit-led”.


21 posted on 04/26/2010 3:12:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Follow the money.


22 posted on 04/26/2010 3:18:37 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: Secret Agent Man

Did you hear her explanation? She agrees with the pro-gay vote. She said she thinks God made the vote turn out that way.

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I agree with her to an extent. I believe God did “allow” the vote to turn out that way, but not for reasons the supporters may think. It’s been my experience over the years that the LORD often allows these sort of things to happen to help his servants see what’s going on and to allow us to make the proper decisions for our lives. As in my case, I left the ELCA and now attend a biblically sound Wisconsin Synod church.


23 posted on 04/26/2010 3:42:50 PM PDT by Softballmom
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To: SmithL

Who gets a severance package when they quit?


24 posted on 04/26/2010 3:52:28 PM PDT by DManA
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To: SmithL
They couldn't find a member to ask?

Mattie Shepherd, who said she isn't a church member

25 posted on 04/26/2010 3:53:28 PM PDT by DManA
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To: SmithL

The ELCA died when they allowed women to become pastors.


26 posted on 04/26/2010 3:56:50 PM PDT by upsdriver (ret.)
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To: DManA
They couldn't find a member to ask?

Perhaps they couldn't find one that was critical of the vote.

27 posted on 04/26/2010 4:00:09 PM PDT by aberaussie
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To: AnalogReigns

And what is the ‘orientation’ of this particular priestess, I wonder...


28 posted on 04/26/2010 5:19:39 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: SmithL

Call me olf fashioned, but I believe the role of the Pastor according to THE BIBLE is supposed to be filled by a man anyway.


29 posted on 04/26/2010 5:21:02 PM PDT by vpintheak (Love of God, Family and Country has made me an extremist.)
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To: upsdriver
"The ELCA died when they allowed women to become pastors."

It is interesting to note that every denomination that has allowed female Pastors has gone on to full blown liberalism. It seems to always be the first step to apostasy. Next comes the "social Gospel", then comes the acceptance of the sin of homosexuality and finally the denial of Christ being the exclusive path to salvation. Once a Church starts conforming to the world to gain social acceptance it's end is inevitable.

30 posted on 04/27/2010 5:03:50 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SmithL

Madam Pastor apparently wasn’t too “popular”.


31 posted on 04/27/2010 6:06:20 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: SmithL
"I believe the spirit led the results of the vote.

Pr Sanders needs a sabbatical, during which she can contemplate, and hopefully discern, the difference between the Holy Spirit and the Zeitgeist.

32 posted on 04/27/2010 6:46:25 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: SmithL

“I also am convinced there is room in the body of Christ and the ELCA for a variety of understandings of Holy Scripture and questions about it. I am sorry that so many feel otherwise.”

This is what happens when a church no longer believes that the Scriptures teach THE truth, but that everyone is free to choose what is true for himself. The ELCA disregarded the prohibition against women pastors in Scriptures, so why should any of them be upset over the acceptance of practicing homosexuality? Once someone determines that they can pick and choose what they want and leave the rest, unity become impossible.
You do not make doctrine on whether or not you like someone: male, female, heterosexual or homosexual. You make it on objective principles. There is nothing more objective than, “God said.”


33 posted on 04/27/2010 4:53:30 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Secret Agent Man
Sandy Lindquist, president of Shepherd of the Valley's church council,

Problem two, women serving as council leaders in a church that has no Board of Elders.

34 posted on 04/27/2010 9:13:21 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids (Mugabi will look like Reagan when this thing is over with)
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To: Nosterrex

But really, where did “God say” women cannot be pastors?

*Paul* seemed to say it, but he also seemed to say it’s better not to marry; just “OK”. So why are we allowing pastors to marry if they are purveyors of God’s Word?

I sympathize with the traditional view, if only because women doing certain public services can be very impractical - when they get pregnant. But otherwise, I don’t know why.


35 posted on 04/30/2010 6:12:44 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
God chose only intact males to be priests.
Jesus chose only intact males to be his disciples.
Paul writes: “Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.”
“Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.
And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.”
The pastor or priest re-presents Christ (the bridegroom) to the congregation (the bride).
Jesus being male is not an accident, nor is the male gender of God the Father an accident. A female priestess or pastor will eventually turn God into a female or a hermaphrodite as we have seen happening in all the liberal denominations. The fastest way to turn a Christian church into a cult is having female pastors or priests. There is no prohibition against married clergy in the Scriptures. Peter was married. Paul does recommend a celibate life, but he does not command it. The teachings in the Scriptures is that a bishop or pastor have only one wife at a time. No such thing as a homosexual wife.
36 posted on 04/30/2010 2:13:26 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Nosterrex

Do you mean, as opposed to eunuchs? Do you KNOW that all the disciples were “entire”, as horse people say? I guess you don’t mean “uncircumcised”, because Jews were supposed to be circumcised, which isn’t intact in that sense.

Honestly, I don’t remember about “intact”.

As for Paul’s writings - again, that’s Paul, not God. And at the same time, women are written in that very section of the Bible as teaching their local groups. How does all this jibe?


37 posted on 04/30/2010 7:08:57 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

St. Paul is an apostle, and his writings are considered to be divinely inspired, God-breathed. He bases his teachings upon the order of creation as found in Genesis.
Priests had to be “whole,” which is associated with holiness. There was a controversy in the early church over Origin in which he was denied ordination because he had castrated himself. This was in keeping with the idea that the successors or the Apostles had to be whole males.
Where in the Bible are women teaching their local groups? Maybe I do not understand what you mean by “local groups.” Perhaps you can give me an example from the Scriptures?


38 posted on 04/30/2010 8:49:11 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Nosterrex

I think I mistook what I remembered of women in early church (in Scripture). I thought there was something that said this and that woman were teaching, but maybe not. I think it was just that they were “helping” with the church in 1 way or other. 1 was a “deaconess”.

I was unaware of this “wholeness” for Christian men (much of Jewish rules went away, remember), and particularly this story of Paul castrating himself. So was he never “ordained” after all, or did they make an exception? In any case, apparently it didn’t matter in the big scheme of things.


39 posted on 05/01/2010 6:10:17 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Paul was not castrated, Origin castrated himself. He took St. Paul’s teaching about being a eunuch for the Lord literally. Origin was criticized for teaching the clergy, so he decided to become a priest, but because he was a eunuch, he was prohibited from being ordained; however, he found a bishop that did ordain him, and all hades broke loose. Three hundred years after his death, St. Cyril of Alexandria had Origin declared a heretic. Origin had a most unusual history.

In the Roman Catholic Church, the priesthood is connected with the priesthood of the Old Testament. As a Lutheran, we have a different understanding of the priesthood, and we do not see the pastoral office as a continuation of the Old Testament priesthood, but of the apostolic succession of doctrine. We do; however, have a much higher view of the Holy Ministry than you would find in most Protestant denominations.

Women were important in Jesus’ ministry and during the time of the apostles. There is indication from Paul’s writings that widows were to teaching the younger women how to be good wives and mothers. It is from this that deaconess or nuns probably developed in the later centuries.


40 posted on 05/01/2010 8:52:50 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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