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Catholic Word of the Day: EUCHARISTIC MEAL, 04-28-10
CatholicReference.net ^ | 04-28-10 | Fr. John Hardon's Modern Catholic Dictionary

Posted on 04/28/2010 9:41:30 AM PDT by Salvation

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EUCHARISTIC MEAL

Holy Communion as food of the soul. Implied in Christ's words when he told his followers to eat his body and drink his blood, the Eucharist is the principal source of sustenance of the supernatural life. Like food in the natural order, Communion nourishes this divine life, produces a sense of well-being and satiety in the soul, and protects a person from the ravages of spiritual disease or sin.

All items in this dictionary are from Fr. John Hardon's Modern Catholic Dictionary, © Eternal Life. Used with permission.


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Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you" (John 6:53).
1 posted on 04/28/2010 9:41:30 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation
A better translation:

48
I am the bread of life.
49
Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died;
50
this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.
51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world."
52
The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?"
53
Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
54
Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
55
For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
57
Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
58
This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever."
59
These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
60
20 Then many of his disciples who were listening said, "This saying is hard; who can accept it?"
61
Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, "Does this shock you?
62
What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? 21
63
It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh 22 is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
64
But there are some of you who do not believe." Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.
65
And he said, "For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father."
 
 
Footnotes:
 

19 [54-58] Eats: the verb used in these verses is not the classical Greek verb used of human eating, but that of animal eating: "munch," "gnaw." This may be part of John's emphasis on the reality of the flesh and blood of Jesus (cf John 6:55), but the same verb eventually became the ordinary verb in Greek meaning "eat."

20 [60-71] These verses refer more to themes of John 6:35-50 than to those of John 6:51-58 and seem to be addressed to members of the Johannine community who found it difficult to accept the high christology reflected in the bread of life discourse.

21 [62] This unfinished conditional sentence is obscure. Probably there is a reference to John 6:49-51. Jesus claims to be the bread that comes down from heaven (John 6:50); this claim provokes incredulity (John 6:60); and so Jesus is pictured as asking what his disciples will say when he goes up to heaven.

22 [63] Spirit . . . flesh: probably not a reference to the eucharistic body of Jesus but to the supernatural and the natural, as in John 3:6. Spirit and life: all Jesus said about the bread of life is the revelation of the Spirit.


2 posted on 04/28/2010 9:56:23 AM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Catholic Word of the Day – links will be provided later by another FReeper.

 

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Stag

Ecclesia

Eternal City (Rome)

New Earth

Samuel

Benefice

Papal Regesta

Defender of the Faith

Sacrament House

James the Less

Devotion to St. Joseph

Vicar-General

Holy Doors

Te Deum Laudamus

Preconization

Determinants of Morality

Penitential Psalms

Hatred

Synoptics

Proclamation

Serra International

Purity of Intention

Abomination of Desolation

Matrimonial Contract

Conventual

Doubtful Conscience

Homosexuality

Promised Land

May Laws

Toulouse

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3 posted on 04/28/2010 9:59:48 AM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Make sure the “Son of God” is only placed on your tongue...if “He” touches your hand, evil spirits may defile you!

“Communion in the hand has not been, and will not be accepted by Heaven. This is a sacrilege in the eyes of the Eternal Father, and must not be continued, for you only add to your punishment when you continue on in the ways that have been found to be unpleasing to the Eternal Father.” - Our Lady of the Roses, June 30, 1984

“You must not take the Body of My Son in your hand! You open the door for the entrance of evil spirits to defile My Son’s Body! The consecrated fingers of a duly ordained man of God, the priest, shall place My Son into your mouth, and you must absorb His Body with goodness and love.” - Our Lady of the Roses, March 22, 1975

“We were at concelebrated Mass with the Holy Father, and we were absolutely forbidden to give Communion in the hands. Communion in the hand, Communion in the hand began, in the hand, with the publication of the Dutch Catechism with nobody’s permission except the bishops—in effect, in principle separated themselves from the Holy See. One country after another began then to ask for permission, which the Dutch bishops never asked for, permission to receive Communion in the hand. I was asked by the [U.S.] bishops’ conference to write a defense of Communion on the tongue, and I can again talk for hours.

“In the very, very early Church, Communion was given in the hands. However, as the faith of the Christians weakened in the Real Presence, by the 5th, 6th centuries Communion on the tongue became mandatory—remained mandatory until the present century. Behind Communion in the hand—I wish to repeat and make as plain as I can—is a weakening, a conscious, deliberate weakening of faith in the Real Presence.

And the American hierarchy took most—three times, those wanting Communion in the hand kept pushing and pushing. Finally, meantime, I was asked by the vice-president of the Catholic Conference of Bishops to defend Communion on the tongue, which I did. To get enough votes to give Communion in the hand, bishops who were retired, bishops who were dying, were solicited to vote to make sure that the vote would be affirmative in favor of Communion in the hand. Whatever you can do to stop Communion in the hand will be blessed by God.”

- Fr. John Hardon, S.J., November 1st, 1997 Call to Holiness Conference
in Detroit, Michigan, panel discussion.


4 posted on 04/28/2010 10:09:23 AM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: srweaver

My opinion is that Communion on the Tongue will once again become the norm. What do you think?

Will you come back to the Catholic Church if that happens?


5 posted on 04/28/2010 10:13:18 AM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
10 " 'Any Israelite or any alien living among them who eats any blood—I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

Therefore I say to the Israelites, "None of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood."

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets:For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law...."

6 posted on 04/28/2010 10:26:32 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: Salvation
My opinion is that Communion on the Tongue will once again become the norm. What do you think?

Communion taken in the hand seems to closely follow Christ's command to "Take this and eat" much more so than "receiving" the host on the tongue.

7 posted on 04/28/2010 10:27:10 AM PDT by FatherofFive (0bama is dangerous and must be stopped.)
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To: Salvation

Of course not. As someone else stated: “SPRINKLED PAGANISM is about the best definition for Roman Catholicism.”

I already belong to the only true church there is, the one that includes all Christian believers, regardless of their temporary affiliations.


8 posted on 04/28/2010 10:30:28 AM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: All
Earlier Catholic Words of the Day


Contumely
Alienation
Ethics

Quam Singulari

Indissolubility

Celibacy

Comparative Religion

Founder

Edification

Noumenon

Stag

Ecclesia

Eternal City (Rome)

New Earth

Samuel

Benefice

Papal Regesta

Defender of the Faith


Sacrament House

James the Less

Devotion to St. Joseph

Vicar-General

Holy Doors

Te Deum Laudamus


Preconization

Determinants of Morality

Penitential Psalms

Hatred

Synoptics

Proclamation


Serra International

Purity of Intention

Abomination of Desolation


Matriomonial Contract

Conventual

Doubtful Conscience

Homosexuality

Promised Land

May Laws

Toulouse

Mystery Theology

Eucharistic Meal



9 posted on 04/28/2010 2:43:07 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: blasater1960

You are referencing only the Old Testament. We also have the New Testament.


10 posted on 04/28/2010 3:03:33 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: srweaver

But you are still baptized in the

One
Holy
Catholic and
Apostolic Church.

We welcome you home at any time. Sit down with a priest and get your questions answered truthfully...........not according to your own interpretation of Scripture.


11 posted on 04/28/2010 3:05:58 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

You’re REALLY good at ignoring the content of people’s responses to you.

Whether you like it or not, or believe it or not, I AM a member of the church that is one, holy, catholic (universal) and apostolic — but I am NOT a member of the Roman Catholic organization, whatever your priest or “Rome” may have told you.

Nor do I want to be. If you could take off your “pope” colored glasses for a second, you might realize your theological view is in the minority, as is everyone’s, until we “cease looking through a glass darkly.”

BTW, I would not trust a Roman Catholic priest to give me any better, or even nearly as good, answers than I have/can come to in my present condition, with the aid of the Holy Spirit, and other “resources” already at my disposal.

But why should I expect you to hear/believe the Scriptures for yourself, as you admittedly state you are incapable of knowing God without a priest to interpret Scripture for you. You better hope he’s right, because he won’t be standing there with you on judgment day.

My Counselor will.

1 John 2:26 These [things] have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

And just because the scripture isn’t of “private” interpretation, it doesn’t mean that private individuals cannot and should not interpret it...if you are able to grasp that concept.

If you want to seduce people into Roman Catholicism, be my guest...but it won’t work with me. However, let me know if you’d like to come to (or come back to) the Bible, we’ll accept you with open arms.


12 posted on 04/28/2010 4:18:04 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: srweaver

Which part of the Bible, do you think, Catholics need to “come back to”?


13 posted on 04/28/2010 6:59:34 PM PDT by annalex
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To: Salvation
he told his followers to eat his body and drink his blood

He also told the Apostles to "do this", that is, He commanded them to be priests (Luke 22:19).

14 posted on 04/28/2010 7:01:21 PM PDT by annalex
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To: blasater1960

Yes. This is a part of the wholesale lifting of various dietetic prohibitions dictated by God to the Jews.

Christ authorized the Church to “bind and loose” in these matters. This is the fulfilling of the Law He spoke about.


15 posted on 04/28/2010 7:03:55 PM PDT by annalex
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To: Salvation
"You are referencing only the Old Testament"

The first two verses were the "old" testament, the third I quoted was Matthew 5 and Jesus says until heaven and earth pass away, the law remains in place! Which means drinking blood is an abomination today.

Matthew 5 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets:For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law...."

16 posted on 04/28/2010 11:16:03 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: annalex

I just quoted Jesus saying the law doesnt pass away. Not one iota. All has not been fulfilled. Otherwise why would there be a need for the second coming.


17 posted on 04/28/2010 11:21:04 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: srweaver

LOL! You aren’t even giving me credit for having a brain and a conscience — saying I depend on others for my decision making.

You are really warping what I say, aren’t you?


18 posted on 04/28/2010 11:28:56 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: srweaver

** However, let me know if you’d like to come to (or come back to) the Bible, **

Good grief, man. The Catholic Church gave YOU the Bible. The Protestants just dumped six books of it. That’s all.


19 posted on 04/28/2010 11:30:33 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: blasater1960
What we have here is progressive revelation, akin to how a parent raises a child. When you tell a child not to play with the chainsaw, you give the child a law. When the child is big enough to use the chainsaw, the law does not pass away, it is fulfilled in the child: he survived the dangers of childhood and now he can use the chainsaw to his benefit. Such were all ceremonial and dietetic laws of Moses, they were given to the Jews in order to help them make the necessary step for holiness, such that produced Mary.

The horror that the introduction of the Eucharistic meal produced among the Jews is palpable in John 6:41-67

41 The Jews therefore murmured at him, because he had said: I am the living bread which came down from heaven. 42 And they said: Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How then saith he, I came down from heaven? 43 Jesus therefore answered, and said to them: Murmur not among yourselves. 44 No man can come to me, except the Father, who hath sent me, draw him; and I will raise him up in the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets: And they shall all be taught of God. Every one that hath heard of the Father, and hath learned, cometh to me.

46 Not that any man hath seen the Father; but he who is of God, he hath seen the Father. 47 Amen, amen I say unto you: He that believeth in me, hath everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers did eat manna in the desert, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man eat of it, he may not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. 52 If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world. 53 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 54 Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. 55 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.

56 For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. 57 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. 58 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. 59 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever. 60 These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum. 61 Many therefore of his disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard, and who can hear it? 62 But Jesus, knowing in himself, that his disciples murmured at this, said to them: Doth this scandalize you? 63 If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 64 It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life. 65 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning, who they were that did not believe, and who he was, that would betray him.

66 And he said: Therefore did I say to you, that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father. 67 After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him.

There is, of course, much more to Judaism than diet and ceremony. Jesus strengthened and expanded the moral laws given the Jews and by doing so (see primarily the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5-7) He made it law for the Christians.

You can say that Christ is coming for the second time to filfill the law that He gave, although the common way to understand the second coming is public delivery of judgment. As far as the law that the Jews received through Moses it has been fulfilled for the Christians at the Incarnation. There is some debate among the Christians whether or not it has also been fulfilled in the Jews. The Church has not spoken authoritatevely on that. Messianic Jews (i.e. Christians of Jewish origin), as far as I know, either do not obey the laws of kashrut, or if they do, they do it as a mark of ethnic identity rather than a commandment. The Church certainly doesn't ask of the circumcised Jews anything in addition to what it asked of all Christians.

20 posted on 04/29/2010 5:36:16 AM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
What we have here is progressive revelation, akin to how a parent raises a child. When you tell a child not to play with the chainsaw, you give the child a law. When the child is big enough to use the chainsaw, the law does not pass away, it is fulfilled in the child: he survived the dangers of childhood and now he can use the chainsaw to his benefit. Such were all ceremonial and dietetic laws of Moses, they were given to the Jews in order to help them make the necessary step for holiness, such that produced Mary.....

The problem I see with that thinking is:

Deut12:32 See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.

Psalm 111:7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. 8They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness. 9He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.

And I shall give them one heart, and shall put a new spirit within them. And I shall take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, that they may walk in My statutes and keep My ordinances, and do them. Then they will be My people, and I shall be their God. (Ezekiel 11:19-20)

My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees. (Ezekiel 37:24)

And many peoples shall come, and say: "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths," for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. (Isaiah 2:3)

So, you can see that the commandments are forever. Even after when the messiah comes, the commandments, the law remains in place and the people do them.

21 posted on 04/29/2010 10:38:11 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: annalex
"Your fathers did eat manna in the desert, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man eat of it, he may not die.

Okay Either:

A) He is referring to spiritual death and saying the Israelites died spiritually

B) He is referring to physical death and that Christians would physically live for ever.

Both are wrong.

22 posted on 04/29/2010 11:53:14 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: annalex

You can start by addressing the scriptures in post 165.


23 posted on 04/29/2010 1:29:44 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: Salvation

You posted: You aren’t even giving me credit for having a brain and a conscience — saying I depend on others for my decision making.

Before that you posted: We welcome you home at any time. Sit down with a priest and get your questions answered truthfully...........not according to your own interpretation of Scripture.

I was responding to your insinuation that I need a priest to give me truth and deliver me from my own interpretation of Scripture.

Actually, I do believe you have a brain and a conscience, and respect your ability to use them and form your own conclusions, otherwise I am wasting my time speaking with you.

Do you believe everything a priest tells you? Do yuo believe everything a priest, or a body of priests tells you is true about the Bible or what is required of the faithful servant of God to be so?

If not, then you are “guilty” of your own private interpretations...which I applaud you for.

So if I had questions, will any priest do, even the ones that are excoriated on FR Catholic threads as being homosexual, or otherwise unfit for ministry, or do I need to pick my priest with care.

In case of the former, I think I’ll pass. In case of the latter, won’t I need to use personal judgment or discernment, as I do with Scripture.


24 posted on 04/29/2010 1:44:46 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: Salvation

No, the Catholic Church didn’t give me the Bible, God did, and He gave it to you as well.

The church did, under the inspiration of God, write the New Testament, as Jews, under the inspiration of God, wrote the Old Testament.

Selection of the “canonical” books was made from among competing writings later, by what you call the “Catholic Church,” and the Scripture copies were made and preserved in several families of texts, with none of the “autographs” currently known to exist.

I am thankful for the role of monks and others in copying the biblical text and helping preserve the Scriptures God gave through the Jews and the primitive church.

I am saddened by the attempts of Roman Catholicism to keep the word of God from the common man, which thankfully has been remedied by the heroic and sometimes martyred (by the Roman Catholic oganization) reformers.

You probably have the Protestants to thank for any/all Bibles you have in your home today for it is unlikely you would possess them absent the Protestant Reformation.


25 posted on 04/29/2010 1:59:19 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: blasater1960

Deut12:32 prohibits the Jews from adding or taking away from the law. It has no relevance to what God Himself does. Catholic and all Christians believe in the divinity of Christ, on whose command we celebrate the Eucharist. It is also on His command that the Church operates in the sphere of disciplines such as fasting, abstinence of various activites and foods, and ceremony.

Further, — as I alluded to it previously, — the Church has no doctrine regarding obligations of the Jews and the commandments of Moses were given the Jews. Whether the Jews wish to keep them forever, or not, they should obey their religious authority. Those who convert to Christianity, or perhaps some other religion, will leave the Mosaic Law.

Regarding the distinction between physical and spiritual death, it is possible that Jesus is speaking in the first instance of physical death and in the second, of spiritual life. His point is, after all that the Eucharist despite being actual food, feeds the spirit whereas “flesh profiteth nothing”. This is consistent with how He heals the physical illness but speaks of salvation of the soul. Similarly, St. Paul in Corinthians 11 refers to the sin of not recognizing Christ int he Eucharist, yet concludes his discourse by pointing out that “many infirm and weak among you, and many sleep” (1 Cor 11:30). In short, the distinction between the physical and the spiritual was not as meaningful in the patristic age as it is to the feebleminded us.


26 posted on 04/29/2010 5:18:58 PM PDT by annalex
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To: srweaver
the scriptures in post 165

On what thread?

27 posted on 04/29/2010 5:20:36 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex

Sorry.

Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Opportunities of Grace: The Eucharist: The Lord’s Supper

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2498793/posts?page=165#165


28 posted on 04/29/2010 6:29:56 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: srweaver

Of course. I just responded there.


29 posted on 04/29/2010 6:48:56 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
..the Church has no doctrine regarding obligations of the Jews and the commandments of Moses were given the Jews. Whether the Jews wish to keep them forever, or not, they should obey their religious authority. Those who convert to Christianity, or perhaps some other religion, will leave the Mosaic Law.

Once again, this seems to be in conflict with the word of G-d. You are in essence saying that G-d is changing his mind at the least and fully breaking his own law at the worst. You are saying that Jesus has the authority to change or eliminate the law of Moses. That would mean G-d changing his mind.

God is not a man that He should lie, nor a mortal that He should change His mind. (Numbers 23:19)

And also the Eternal One of Israel will not lie nor change His mind; for he is not a man, that He should change His mind. (I Samuel 15:29)

Do not put your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no salvation! (Psalm 146:3)

30 posted on 04/30/2010 10:06:08 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: blasater1960

Why the need for a new covenant, if God doesn’t change His mind?

Jeremiah 31:31-34

Why didn’t Abraham sacrifice Isaac, if God doesn’t change His mind?

Note that I didn’t say God Himself changed or lied.

Why Noah’s flood, if God wasn’t sorry over His creation?

I am familiar with the term anthropomorphic.


31 posted on 04/30/2010 11:12:34 AM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: srweaver
"Why the need for a new covenant, if God doesn’t change His mind? Jeremiah 31:31-34

This is not a example of G-d changing his mind. This is a prophecy of what is to occur when Israel returns in the Messianic era. Israel had blown it and were sent into exile. So, now when Israel returns, they will resume the commandments and sacrifices will return in the 3rd temple. Furthermore, G-d is not changing his salvation plan in this "new covenant".

And I shall give them one heart, and shall put a new spirit within them. And I shall take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, that they may walk in My statutes and keep My ordinances, and do them. Then they will be My people, and I shall be their God. (Ezekiel 11:19-20)

And many peoples shall come, and say: "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths," for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. (Isaiah 2:3)

And what will the Gentile Nations response be to this miracle of the Jews returning to God and following the commandments???

O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

20Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?

21Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is The LORD. (Jeremiah 16:18-21)

23Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you. (Zech 8:23)

So, contrary to G-d changing his mind he will keep his word, restore Israel and the Nations will worship the G-d of Israel by learning at the hands of the Jewish people.

"Why didn’t Abraham sacrifice Isaac, if God doesn’t change His mind?

Again, no change of mind. This was the 10th and final trial of Abraham. He had no intention of sacrificing Issac. He wanted to see if Abraham feared G-d. Abraham feared G-d enough to do as he was commanded but Abraham had faith that G-d would provide a animal, which He did. (a Ram not a lamb)

Regarding Noahs flood, if G-d would have changed his mind He would utterly destroyed all of mankind forever. But he saved a remnant, to carry on with. Being sorry isnt the same as changing his mind. Blotting out man forever would have been.

32 posted on 04/30/2010 12:56:09 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: blasater1960

Good luck on getting back to your animal sacrifice system in the temple.

That system was done away with forever when Jesus died on the cross and the vail of the holy of holies was torn in two from top to bottom.

However, the seed of Abraham by flesh and the seed of Abraham by faith will worship together in Jerusalem — at the feet of Jesus after His return and after His acceptance by the Jews as their Messiah.

Philippians 2:10, 11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


33 posted on 04/30/2010 2:46:04 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: srweaver
"Good luck on getting back to your animal sacrifice system in the temple. That system was done away with forever when Jesus died on the cross and the vail of the holy of holies was torn in two from top to bottom."

Once again, I will take the word of G-d over your opinion.

Jer 33:16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness.

17For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

18Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

Zech 14: 20In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

21Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

Ezekiel 43-44 In part:

18And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon. 19And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord GOD, a young bullock for a sin offering. 20And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it. 21Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary. 22And on the second day thou shalt offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they did cleanse it with the bullock. 23When thou hast made an end of cleansing it, thou shalt offer a young bullock without blemish, and a ram out of the flock without blemish. 24And thou shalt offer them before the LORD, and the priests shall cast salt upon them, and they shall offer them up for a burnt offering unto the LORD. 25Seven days shalt thou prepare every day a goat for a sin offering: they shall also prepare a young bullock, and a ram out of the flock, without blemish. 26Seven days shall they purge the altar and purify it; and they shall consecrate themselves. 27And when these days are expired, it shall be, that upon the eighth day, and so forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord GOD.

27And in the day that he goeth into the sanctuary, unto the inner court, to minister in the sanctuary, he shall offer his sin offering, saith the Lord GOD. 28And it shall be unto them for an inheritance: I am their inheritance: and ye shall give them no possession in Israel: I am their possession. 29They shall eat the meat offering, and the sin offering, and the trespass offering: and every dedicated thing in Israel shall be theirs.

Sacrifices are returning! The man from Nazareth in no way was a sacrifice.

34 posted on 04/30/2010 3:21:17 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: blasater1960
Jesus has the authority to change or eliminate the law of Moses. That would mean G-d changing his mind

Well, no because God gave the Law of Moses to the Jews and He gave the law of Jesus to the Christians.

35 posted on 04/30/2010 6:51:41 PM PDT by annalex
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