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Cardinal Mahony speaks on illegal immigration
KABC Los Angeles ^ | 4/29/2010 | Miriam Hernandez

Posted on 04/30/2010 6:56:23 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- Cardinal Roger Mahony spoke out Thursday and launched a new Web site about immigrants.

Mahony sees anti-immigrant hysteria and its impact on those he calls brothers and sisters.

"Scapegoated and put into categories and not seen as real people," said Mahony.

The conversation must change, he says. And it can start with his new Web site, Faces of Immigrants (http://www.facesofimmigrants.org/). You can listen to the stories of individuals, know their terror and find out why they came to the U.S.

"Do you think drug dealers and cartels are shipping their goods with families, with strollers and babies going down to the supermarket?" said Mahony. "That's crazy."

He does not pull punches. On enabling police to demand papers of suspected illegals, he likens it to Nazi and Communist Russia techniques.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: arizona; criminalenabler; freformed; illegalsareillegal; immigration; sinenabler
Cardinal Roger Mahony spoke out Thursday and launched a new Web site about immigrants. Mahony sees anti-immigrant hysteria and its impact on those he calls brothers and sisters. "Scapegoated and put into categories and not seen as real people," said Mahony.
1 posted on 04/30/2010 6:56:23 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

The two main categories are legal immigrants and illegal aliens. Those that believe in the Rule of Law and lawbreakers.


2 posted on 04/30/2010 6:59:48 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Alex Murphy

Cardinal, with all due respect we are a nation of laws.


3 posted on 04/30/2010 6:59:54 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (If you believe in manmade global warming, you lack the gift of reason.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Mahoney should be in PRISON, as a protector of known pedophiles.

Enough said.


4 posted on 04/30/2010 7:00:11 AM PDT by R0CK3T
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To: Alex Murphy

You have GOT to be kidding me.

Why doesn’t he go to Mexico and open missions to help the Mexicans?


5 posted on 04/30/2010 7:01:23 AM PDT by Reagan69 (Let me know when those insurance premiums go down.)
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To: AbeKrieger

As a Roman Catholic and with all due respect to Cardinal Mahoney, I doubt he’d be so passionate if the majority of the illegals in this country were practicing Buddhists.


6 posted on 04/30/2010 7:01:45 AM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Ronald Reagan: "our liberal friends....know so much that isn't so...")
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To: Alex Murphy
"Mahony sees anti-immigrant hysteria and its impact on those he calls brothers and sisters. "

Stop right there, Cardinal. I'm all for immigration, and I suspect that most people are, too. I'm against ILLEGAL immigration. There are tens of thousands of people who file their paperwork and wait in line - like the law says that they should - who would be disenfranchised if the government pardons these people who clearly are in violation of current federal law.

The government has a moral and legal obligation to protect the due process rights of the people who didn't immigrate and cross our borders illegal. It's not "anti-immigration", in fact it's very PRO-IMMIGRATION.

7 posted on 04/30/2010 7:01:59 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Alex Murphy
With all due respect to the Cardinal, STFU.

Illegals bring nothing good to this country, and they cause all sorts of other problems. I would think that Jesus would teach that people should do their best to improve their own lot rather than forcefully impose the responsibility of their well-being onto other people.

8 posted on 04/30/2010 7:02:10 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Alex Murphy
Alex,

Cardinal Mahony speaks for me about the same as the Presbyterian signatories of "IOWA: 167 Iowa faith leaders back same-gender 'marriage'" speak for you.

9 posted on 04/30/2010 7:02:31 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Alex Murphy

Then maybe the United States should send troops to Mexico to secure their country from all of these drug cartels and murderers. Rather than allow them all to just come over the border illegally is nonsense!

Help them to be proud of their country. Doesn’t seem that their country is helping them at all. Why is it us that always has to help?

Boy, this issue is infuriating! They probably never should have called it illegal immigration and called it exactly what it was. Invaders - we are being invaded from all over the world.


10 posted on 04/30/2010 7:04:33 AM PDT by jcsjcm (American Patriot - follow the Constitution and in God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: pnh102

Ma works at city hall a couple of days a week. “Transitional Assistance” is on her floor. She had a bad cough a few years back. She tested positive to being exposed to TB. Now, how do you suppose that happened?


11 posted on 04/30/2010 7:07:12 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Alex Murphy

“Do you think drug dealers and cartels are shipping their goods with families, with strollers and...”

And fake pregnant bellies? Yes. Yes, they are, you moron.


12 posted on 04/30/2010 7:08:07 AM PDT by jessduntno ("If you want security, go to prison, you're fed, clothed, given medical. But...there's no freedom.")
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To: OldDeckHand
Waiting in line is an important step. To all those (like Obama Jr) who claim they want the illegals to go to the back of the line, remember to mention to them that the end of the line is back in their native country. If they balk at that necessary step, they have outed themselves as liars.
13 posted on 04/30/2010 7:10:19 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: R0CK3T
Mahoney should be in PRISON, as a protector of known pedophiles.

You are obviously an anti-Catholic bigot. /SAR

I agree 100% and he should share a cell with Cardinal Law.
14 posted on 04/30/2010 7:10:37 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: markomalley

Cardinal Mahony speaks for the Catholic church.

Catholic Legal Immigration Network
http://www.cliniclegal.org/about-us
Mission Statement

To enhance and expand delivery of legal services to indigent and low-income immigrants principally through diocesan immigration programs and to meet the immigration needs identified by the Catholic Church in the United States.
CLINIC History

In 1988, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) established CLINIC as a legally distinct 501(c)(3) organization to support a rapidly growing network of community-based immigration programs. CLINIC’s network originally comprised 17 programs. It has since increased to more than 185 diocesan and other affiliated immigration programs with 290 field offices in 48 states. The network employs roughly 1,200 attorneys and “accredited” paralegals who, in turn, serve 600,000 low-income immigrants each year. CLINIC and its member agencies represent low-income immigrants without reference to their race, religion, gender, ethnic group, or other distinguishing characteristics.

In 2007 alone, CLINIC provided 7,676 detained immigrants with “know your rights” workshops.


15 posted on 04/30/2010 7:14:55 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Alex Murphy

It’s sooo nice to hear a man speak with great moral authority and attention to God’s will. On the other hand there is Mahony’s Baloney.


16 posted on 04/30/2010 7:17:30 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: TSgt

Cardinal Mahony speaks for the Archdiocese of Los Angeles until next February. Joseph Ratzinger(Pope Benedict XVI) speaks for the Catholic Church. FReeper markomalley speaks for himself.

Clearer now?


17 posted on 04/30/2010 7:21:11 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Alex Murphy
Jesus said "render to Caesar (government) that which is Caesar's, and to God that which is God's".

This illegal immigrant problem is a government problem and needs to be resolved by government.

18 posted on 04/30/2010 7:22:13 AM PDT by oldbrowser (The audacity of incompetence)
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To: OldDeckHand
Well said. The root problem is twofold:
  1. A corrupt government in Mexico which is only able to exist (to the detriment of their citizens) by exporting their problems to the north.
  2. A growing culture of corruption in the United States which has an economic interest in cheap, docile labor and is willing to flout laws and bribe corrupt officials to maintain this class of "indentured servants".

The irony is that "legalizing" illegals does nothing to address these root problems, which is why that debate is a pure diversion. New legals are no longer as cheap or as docile as the next crop of illegals and hence loose their appeal as indentured labor. This is exactly what happened after the 1986 "amnesty".

Those who seek "economic justice" need to look south and help Mexico fix their own house. Cutting off the "safety valve" is essential in bringing pressure to bear on the central issue of Mexican misgovernance. Mexico knows this, which is why AZ's effrontery in wishing to enforce existing federal immigration laws is causing such howls of protest.

19 posted on 04/30/2010 7:22:26 AM PDT by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: Alex Murphy

Ah stuff it, cardinal.

I don’t care about their stories.

I care about my country.


20 posted on 04/30/2010 7:23:14 AM PDT by chris37
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To: Alex Murphy
"Do you think drug dealers and cartels are shipping their goods with families, with strollers and babies,,"

Uhhhh, that's exactly who they use Cardinal. You really think they are going to trust a heavily tatooed, bald, intimidating looking gang banger with a long criminal history to smuggle a hundred thousand dollars worth of cocaine into the country? Might as well put a big "search me - I'm a drug mule" sign on him too.

21 posted on 04/30/2010 7:35:39 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Alex Murphy

The Pope should post this big shot to Mexico City. See how well his theology flies down there.


22 posted on 04/30/2010 7:42:20 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: TSgt

Incorrect despite your ignorant claim to the contrary.


23 posted on 04/30/2010 7:42:55 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

You conveniently skipped over this post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2503818/posts?page=15#15

It’s the RCC’s MO to support all immigration, legal or illegal.


24 posted on 04/30/2010 7:48:04 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Alex Murphy

This is a prime example why our founding fathers wanted a separation of church and state.


25 posted on 04/30/2010 9:26:24 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Use your $'s as weapons! Boycott Gay Frisco, since they keep Pelosi in congress.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Sic semper episcopus.


26 posted on 04/30/2010 9:28:09 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: markomalley

Actually, unless you are an ultra-montanist, even BXVI doesn’t speak for the ENTIRE Church. Their has rarely been a time when the Pope had dictatorial control over Church practice and doctrine, at least in terms of how it was implemented. The religious orders have always had a high degree of independence.


27 posted on 04/30/2010 9:30:40 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Clemenza
Actually, unless you are an ultra-montanist, even BXVI doesn’t speak for the ENTIRE Church.

Well, in a practical sense you are right. As the Vicar of Christ, he has the authority to do so, but, on a practical basis, I doubt that any modern pope would have the ability to do so.

28 posted on 04/30/2010 9:43:16 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: AustinBill

You have it. I have never heard an American bishop criticize the Mexican government in such terms. Mexicans are mostly decent folks, but their government is one of the world’s worst, and it is right on our border. One problem is that our elites are scared to death of revolution in Mexico. It would be Cuba with oil.


29 posted on 04/30/2010 3:10:19 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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Cardinal Mahony has been perverting the Church’s Teachings and Mass for a very long time now and could care less for standing up against abortion or Obama care! He is in bed with socialists and Marxists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Mjpmsuu9c


30 posted on 04/30/2010 3:14:36 PM PDT by michellecalifornia
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To: Clemenza

The Holy Father speaks for the whole Church but on an issue by issue basis. He is more like a chief justice than a king or president. His decisions are binding, but his opinions are more guidelines than dictats. And he depends on a multitude of others to execute his decrees.


31 posted on 04/30/2010 3:18:55 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: michellecalifornia

Well, he seems not to have a lot of admirers on FR. ;-)


32 posted on 04/30/2010 3:20:44 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: michellecalifornia
Cardinal Mahony has been perverting the Church’s Teachings and Mass for a very long time now and could care less for standing up against abortion or Obama care! He is in bed with socialists and Marxists.

Yes, we know. Peruse the archival threads of this forum. You won't find too many Manhony-ites.

33 posted on 04/30/2010 3:22:36 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: RobbyS

Very well said! Thanks.


34 posted on 04/30/2010 4:42:38 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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