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Child Molestation by homosexuals and heterosexuals (Lots of Stats)
HOMILETIC & PASTORAL REVIEW (PDF) ^ | Brian W. Clowes and David L. Sonnier

Posted on 05/01/2010 5:01:11 AM PDT by GonzoII

Many homosexual leaders have admitted that
there is a natural link between
a homosexual orientation and child sexual abuse.

Child Molestation
by homosexuals
and heterosexuals

By Brian W. Clowes and David L. Sonnier

The Church has always had a small number of priests and other religious who have taken advantage of their positions of authority and influence in order to gain sexual favors or to take advantage of the helpless. The problem of clerical child sexual molestation, particularly in the United States, has been widely exposed and publicized over the last several years. The numerous recent revelations have exposed the problem as much deeper and more widespread than most would have previously believed.

During the current crisis, homosexual activists within and outside the Catholic Church have done everything they could to divert attention away from even the possibility that there may be a higher percentage of homosexuals among the priesthood than in the general public, and that this may be the root of the problem of child sexual molestation within the Church. It is particularly the link between homosexuality and child molestation that they seek to deny.

For example, Dignity USA kicked off its “Stop Blaming Gay Priests” campaign during the meeting of the United States Catholic Bishops Conference in Washington, D.C., November 10-13, 2002. The group said, “DigntyUSA [sic] is calling on the U.S. Catholic bishops to stop blaming gay priests for the clergy sexual abuse scandal. All credible evidence discounts any link between the molestation of children and homosexuality.”1

(Excerpt) Read more at catholicleague.org ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: catholic; crime; ephebophilia; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; pedophile; pedophilia; perverts
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Child Molestation by homosexuals and heterosexuals (PDF)
1 posted on 05/01/2010 5:01:12 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII

Good to point out that this article was not written in response to the current crisis (a/k/a 2009-10), but as a result of the US crisis (a/k/a 2000-2002).


2 posted on 05/01/2010 5:24:10 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: GonzoII
Child sex predators gravitate to organizations and professions where they have access to other people's children, primarily teaching and religion.

This is not rocket science. Parents more than room-temperature IQ and/or common sense keep their children away from public schools and organized religions.

3 posted on 05/01/2010 5:26:53 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: meadsjn; Salvation
"Parents...keep their children away from public schools and organized religions."

Most of the abuse occurs IN the family as I understand it.

4 posted on 05/01/2010 5:30:25 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: GonzoII

Obviously, you didn’t even read the article you posted.


5 posted on 05/01/2010 5:34:25 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: GonzoII
From the article you posted:

• A 1988 study of 229 convicted child molesters published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that 86% of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual.9

Are you trying to say that 86% of families are headed by "homosexual or bisexual" people?

6 posted on 05/01/2010 5:39:04 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: GonzoII

Many homosexuals tend to focus on self and youth.

Pedophelia can be a natural extension of a narciccism that focuses on physical beauty and maintaining youth - a trait homosexual pedophiles share with many heterosexual pedophiles.

There are other causes outside this paradgm however, such as sadists who will go after a child to hurt them regardless of gender, or stoners who get aroused and look for any place to get relief when they are high.

The biggest problem within the Church is not that there were people in it that sought sexual gratification from children. That the church did not immediately focus on healing those children and making them whole - and still does not - is the problem. A very, very, big problem.

Churches overall now do a credible job of trying to weed out and stop pedophiles. Churches overall now do a crappy job of healing hurt children and still often tend to make the children feel outcast and blamed.


7 posted on 05/01/2010 5:40:27 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: GonzoII
During the current crisis, homosexual activists within and outside the Catholic Church have done everything they could to divert attention away from even the possibility that there may be a higher percentage of homosexuals among the priesthood than in the general public, and that this may be the root of the problem of child sexual molestation within the Church.

THE ABOVE ARTICLE IS A SMOKESCREEN!
THE SEXUAL ORIENTAION OF THE PRIEST DOES NOT MATTER!
CHILDREN OF BOTH SEXES WERE MOLESTED BY ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIESTS AND ROME DID NOTHING EXCEPT MOVE THE CHILD MOLESTING PRIESTS TO ANOTHER DIOCESE!!

8 posted on 05/01/2010 5:41:10 AM PDT by Gamecock (If you want Your Best Life Now, follow Osteen. If you want your best life forever, don't. JM)
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To: meadsjn
"Obviously, you didn’t even read the article you posted."

I'm refering to other stats that I hope will be forthcoming from Salvation.

9 posted on 05/01/2010 5:41:26 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: meadsjn

It is much harder to get a prosecution and conviction when the abuse occurs within the home.


10 posted on 05/01/2010 5:42:18 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Gamecock
"THE ABOVE ARTICLE IS A SMOKESCREEN!"

No. it's for the stats.

11 posted on 05/01/2010 5:43:20 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: meadsjn
"Are you trying to say that 86% of families are headed by "homosexual or bisexual" people?"

Noe maybe YOU didn't "read" the article.

12 posted on 05/01/2010 5:48:18 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: Gamecock
I get angry when the homosexual man with teen boy excuse is used by the apologists on this forum. See any teen boys in this photo? They are pedophiles plain and simple.
The Rev. Lawrence C. Murphy, with hands together, at St. John’s School for the Deaf in Wisconsin
13 posted on 05/01/2010 5:49:33 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: MrEdd
That is highly debatable.

Few homes have the financial resources that are available to the bureaucracies of schools and religions to bypass, cover up, reassign, and continue to perpetuate their abuse.

14 posted on 05/01/2010 5:51:37 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: GonzoII
” All credible evidence discounts any link between the molestation of children and homosexuality.”

Now that’s a grim bit of humor. Rather like saying a drunk can be entrusted with a wine cellar since he favored beer over wine.

15 posted on 05/01/2010 5:55:41 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GonzoII
No.

It is a smoke screen.

Like I said above,

THE SEXUAL ORIENTAION OF THE PRIEST DOES NOT MATTER!
CHILDREN OF BOTH SEXES WERE MOLESTED BY ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIESTS AND ROME DID NOTHING EXCEPT MOVE THE CHILD MOLESTING PRIESTS TO ANOTHER DIOCESE!!

16 posted on 05/01/2010 5:55:41 AM PDT by Gamecock (If you want Your Best Life Now, follow Osteen. If you want your best life forever, don't. JM)
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To: GonzoII

Thanks for the post. We added it to our article:

http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/gay-rights


17 posted on 05/01/2010 5:57:22 AM PDT by grumpa (VP)
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To: GonzoII; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

18 posted on 05/01/2010 5:57:24 AM PDT by narses (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: meadsjn
Okay, I tell you what.

You go to your local rehab facility, AA hall, what have you and find and talk to people who were sexually abused as children. Or look online at sites like Pandora's Aquarium and After Silence. Talk to a lot of people and see where most of their abuse occured. After YOU do your homework, I will debate you as much as you wish.

19 posted on 05/01/2010 5:57:38 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Gamecock

“... AND ROME DID NOTHING EXCEPT MOVE THE CHILD MOLESTING PRIESTS TO ANOTHER DIOCESE!!”

False. A lie. Try again.


20 posted on 05/01/2010 5:59:13 AM PDT by narses (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: TSgt

Anger management issues can be helped. Get help.


21 posted on 05/01/2010 6:00:23 AM PDT by narses (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: grumpa

You’re welcome.


22 posted on 05/01/2010 6:01:37 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: Gamecock
Most victims are abused by someone known and close to them. Being attacked by a random neighbor or family member doesn't make national news. Accusations against churches make headlines and have provided billions in compensation, even in cases that could never be proven.

Most informed non-Catholics admit that the Catholic church statistically was no more prone to abuse than any other church.

Now since all of these attacks against the church, I can't even volunteer at my church school without having been fingerprinted and with a backround check.

"But based on the surveys and studies conducted by different denominations over the past 30 years, experts who study child abuse say they see little reason to conclude that sexual abuse is mostly a Catholic issue.

"We don't see the Catholic Church as a hotbed of this or a place that has a bigger problem than anyone else," said Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. "I can tell you without hesitation that we have seen cases in many religious settings, from traveling evangelists to mainstream ministers to rabbis and others."

23 posted on 05/01/2010 6:02:44 AM PDT by mgist
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To: GonzoII

It seems to me that the FReformed raison d’être is based solely on refuting Catholic doctrine and tradition and the denigration of Catholic thought in general.


24 posted on 05/01/2010 6:21:24 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: meadsjn
Few homes have the financial resources that are available to the bureaucracies of schools and religions to bypass, cover up, reassign, and continue to perpetuate their abuse.

I can only speak to my own experience. Growing up, I knew 3 people who were molested. My cousin, by her mom's boyfriend's son. My best friend, by step-father. My brother, by married uncle with children.

Not one was prosecuted. Why? Because the kids involved didn't talk about it. Two said nothing until they were adults. The third situation was outted by an older sister once she moved out of the house and the mother denied for awhile but eventually kicked the step-father out.

I don't know that anyone has looked at abused boys, or abused girls specifically to see if there is a different group of abusers (primarily family, or primarily community members).

25 posted on 05/01/2010 6:21:35 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: Gamecock

What’s with the “look-at-me” font?


26 posted on 05/01/2010 6:22:00 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: meadsjn

Homosexuals and bisexuals would have more opportunity in the family. Family is not just mom, dad and kids, it includes other family and often friends.

For my husband, it was his aunt’s brother who put the moves on, he didn’t accomplish anything but my husband didn’t tell on him either.


27 posted on 05/01/2010 7:22:17 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: meadsjn
As I stated in another reply, in the family it isn't the bureaucracy that covers up but the victims themselves.

My husband and I both were almost abused as children, neither of us told our parents. We're pretty sure that the man who tried with my husband did abuse others in the family but we don't know cuz they've never talked either.

In one family I know, the uncle abused 2 children, the parents and grandparents swept it under the rug.

I can only speak for myself but I felt stupid and vulnerable and afraid that I, myself had done something wrong. I was 6, I didn't know about sex, when this guy exposed himself and tried to make me touch him I obviously knew that that was not normal. As an adult I am amazed at the poise I had that day. The man had approached me on the way home from school and I told him that my mother was going to come looking for me but that I would come back as soon as I changed out of my school clothes. I never left that house alone after that, I waited for my brothers or my cousins after school and walked home with them.

28 posted on 05/01/2010 7:38:14 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: meadsjn

I am not sure I understand what you’re saying.

You accuse Gonzo of not reading the article. Then you ask: “Are you trying to say that 86% of families are headed by “homosexual or bisexual” people?”

But what you reference in regard to that question is this: “• A 1988 study of 229 convicted child molesters published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that 86% of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual.9”

I see “convicted child molestors”. Where do you see “heads of families”?


29 posted on 05/01/2010 7:40:53 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Gamecock

You screamed: “THE SEXUAL ORIENTAION OF THE PRIEST DOES NOT MATTER!”

Clearly it does when the overwhelming number of abusers were homosexual men abusing adolescent boys and young men. That’s called ephobophilia. And yes, it matters.


30 posted on 05/01/2010 7:42:55 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Gamecock
"THE ABOVE ARTICLE IS A SMOKESCREEN!

Your posting is a smoke screen intended to keep the focus on the Catholic Church instead of the homosexual community and the various Protestant denominations in which molestation and abuse rates are three to ten times higher than within the Catholic Church.

31 posted on 05/01/2010 7:53:49 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: narses
Anger management issues can be helped. Get help.

Cute response, how about staying on topic? Sorry you don't feel the same way about child rape. It's all fun and games huh?
32 posted on 05/01/2010 8:24:35 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Natural Law; Gamecock
Your posting is a smoke screen intended to keep the focus on the Catholic Church instead of the homosexual community and the various Protestant denominations in which molestation and abuse rates are three to ten times higher than within the Catholic Church.

"Don't blame us, others rape children too!™" - Roman Catholic Church
34 posted on 05/01/2010 8:31:38 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Natural Law
Whoever wants to justify their own failings, by defamation of God's churches, will find one, and that's between them and God. I've been guilty of that, and reconciled, Glory be to God.

Those who actively pursue scandal and slander have real issues. Pray for Gamecock, and all those who "know not what they do".

We all know His church would be persecuted. All the more reason to fast and pray.

35 posted on 05/01/2010 8:35:50 AM PDT by mgist
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
is homosexual in nature.

WRONG. More than a quarter of the victims in the US were under the age of 10 and 20% of those victims were girls.

This doesn't take into account Murphy's victims since they were recently discovered of which most were young as those illustrated in post 13.
36 posted on 05/01/2010 8:36:41 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: mgist
Those who actively pursue scandal and slander have real issues.

Those who fail to protect children and defend child rapists have real issues. Tell your whoa-as-me mantra to the innocent children in post 13 who were raped.
37 posted on 05/01/2010 8:40:13 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: TSgt
"Don't blame us, others rape children too!™" - Roman Catholic Church

No. Teachers, law enforcement, and other religious groups have all thrown that same excuse out on Free Republic threads.

38 posted on 05/01/2010 8:44:10 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd
No. Teachers, law enforcement, and other religious groups have all thrown that same excuse out on Free Republic threads.

Not like the RCC apologists and it doesn't make it right. In fact, it's a disgusting excuse.

All child rape is wrong.
39 posted on 05/01/2010 8:46:37 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: TSgt
Credible data is that 81 to 85% of the cases were male, and that the vast majority of those cases were post pubescent.

Yes, there were female victims. Yes, there were a small fraction that qualify to be categorized as pedophilia.

But the facts are that the vast majority of these cases were homosexual men molesting post-pubescent males.

That by definition is homosexual molestation, and represents the vast majority of cases.

This is absolutely about homosexuality in the priesthood. The homosexuals infiltrated the priesthood. The primary failure of the Church was in letting it happen, during the 50s, 60s and 70s, despite the constant prohibition against it. Then the homosexuals did what (some) homosexuals do, they molested teenage boys. The Church tried to cover it up to prevent public scandal, and embarassment, and frankly, half the bishops were homosexuals themselves, and were thus compromised.

The central story is the Church failing to maintain its discipline and keep out homosexuals, but the world prefers to exclaim that the Church has a pedophile problem. It doesn’t. It had a homosexual priest problem. But that’s not politically correct, and the world refuses to permit that message to get out.

If the Church had maintained its discipline and obeyed its own teachings on homosexuality and continued to refuse entry of homosexuals into its seminaries, 85% of this would have never happened, and there’d be no story today.

The Church made a big mistake in its aggiornamento of the 1960s and compromising with the spirit of this world, and the Church owes its faithful and the world a big apology for letting homosexual deviants destroy the credibility of its priesthood.

40 posted on 05/01/2010 8:57:09 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
small fraction

By yours stats I do not consider 20% small.

Homosexual problem sounds better than pedophile problem so I can absolutely understand why the RCC would want to call it a homosexual problem from a PR perspective.

The fact is, if they were under 18 they were children, this means it was child rape.

Ask a hardened criminal in a maximum security prison, they can tell you the difference.
41 posted on 05/01/2010 9:01:40 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
The primary failure of the Church was in letting it happen, during the 50s, 60s and 70s, despite the constant prohibition against it.

You forgot to mention and consistently covering it up.
42 posted on 05/01/2010 9:02:54 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: TSgt
No, I didn't. I also said,

The Church tried to cover it up to prevent public scandal, and embarassment, and frankly, half the bishops were homosexuals themselves, and were thus compromised.

This is the other half of the equation. The Church has a homosexual priest problem. Homosexuals in the priesthood did what (some) homosexuals are wont to do, they engaged in chicken hawking.

And since a large fraction of the bishops were also homosexual, and a mutual blackmail system naturally existed among the whole Lavender Mafia, the bishops engaged in consistently covering it up.

Again, its primarily a homosexual problem.

43 posted on 05/01/2010 9:07:33 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: TSgt
""Don't blame us, others rape children too!™" - Roman Catholic Church."

That is a specious argument and you know it. Those that purport that the scandal is either exclusively Catholic or an officially sponsored Catholic Church activity are guilty of denial and are therefore complicit in the continued abuse of children within their own denominations. Those legitimately concerned for the victims do not obsess over one group of perpetrators while turning a blind eye to others unless their real agenda is the demise of the Catholic Church and not the plight of all victims of abuse.

44 posted on 05/01/2010 9:34:04 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
you know it

Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

45 posted on 05/01/2010 9:39:41 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: TSgt
I don't see anyone being molested in that picture, either, unless you consider receiving communion to be molestation.

This article makes it crystal clear that the boys who were molested by Murphy were young adolescents.

46 posted on 05/01/2010 9:40:44 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: TSgt

Child rape is evil, no doubt. Anger however, can also lead to evil, truly if anger is a problem for you get help. Anger clouds your judgment, makes you do and say things that are themselves bad.


47 posted on 05/01/2010 9:44:12 AM PDT by narses (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: TSgt; Dr. Brian Kopp

There were a few pedophile priests and many more queers who infiltrated the priesthood. (This was done by the Comintern/KGB on purpose from the 20’s through the 60’s to both Anglican and Catholic and Orthodox seminaries.) The Church has slowly, painfully moved to purge out that deviants and has eliminated almost all of the abusers. More, the Church now has systems in place that should prevent the problem from resurfacing other than as an occasional crime.


48 posted on 05/01/2010 9:48:45 AM PDT by narses (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: Campion; TSgt
This article makes it crystal clear that the boys who were molested by Murphy were young adolescents.

Thank you for this important clarification.

49 posted on 05/01/2010 9:58:49 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Lorica; Gamecock

SOP for Gamecock. He’s compensating for many inadequacies in his life.


50 posted on 05/01/2010 10:00:22 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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