Skip to comments.Child Molestation by homosexuals and heterosexuals (Lots of Stats)
Posted on 05/01/2010 5:01:11 AM PDT by GonzoII
Many homosexual leaders have admitted that
there is a natural link between
a homosexual orientation and child sexual abuse.
By Brian W. Clowes and David L. Sonnier
The Church has always had a small number of priests and other religious who have taken advantage of their positions of authority and influence in order to gain sexual favors or to take advantage of the helpless. The problem of clerical child sexual molestation, particularly in the United States, has been widely exposed and publicized over the last several years. The numerous recent revelations have exposed the problem as much deeper and more widespread than most would have previously believed.
During the current crisis, homosexual activists within and outside the Catholic Church have done everything they could to divert attention away from even the possibility that there may be a higher percentage of homosexuals among the priesthood than in the general public, and that this may be the root of the problem of child sexual molestation within the Church. It is particularly the link between homosexuality and child molestation that they seek to deny.
For example, Dignity USA kicked off its Stop Blaming Gay Priests campaign during the meeting of the United States Catholic Bishops Conference in Washington, D.C., November 10-13, 2002. The group said, DigntyUSA [sic] is calling on the U.S. Catholic bishops to stop blaming gay priests for the clergy sexual abuse scandal. All credible evidence discounts any link between the molestation of children and homosexuality.1
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Good to point out that this article was not written in response to the current crisis (a/k/a 2009-10), but as a result of the US crisis (a/k/a 2000-2002).
This is not rocket science. Parents more than room-temperature IQ and/or common sense keep their children away from public schools and organized religions.
Most of the abuse occurs IN the family as I understand it.
Obviously, you didn’t even read the article you posted.
A 1988 study of 229 convicted child molesters published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that 86% of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual.9
Are you trying to say that 86% of families are headed by "homosexual or bisexual" people?
Many homosexuals tend to focus on self and youth.
Pedophelia can be a natural extension of a narciccism that focuses on physical beauty and maintaining youth - a trait homosexual pedophiles share with many heterosexual pedophiles.
There are other causes outside this paradgm however, such as sadists who will go after a child to hurt them regardless of gender, or stoners who get aroused and look for any place to get relief when they are high.
The biggest problem within the Church is not that there were people in it that sought sexual gratification from children. That the church did not immediately focus on healing those children and making them whole - and still does not - is the problem. A very, very, big problem.
Churches overall now do a credible job of trying to weed out and stop pedophiles. Churches overall now do a crappy job of healing hurt children and still often tend to make the children feel outcast and blamed.
I'm refering to other stats that I hope will be forthcoming from Salvation.
It is much harder to get a prosecution and conviction when the abuse occurs within the home.
No. it's for the stats.
Noe maybe YOU didn't "read" the article.
Few homes have the financial resources that are available to the bureaucracies of schools and religions to bypass, cover up, reassign, and continue to perpetuate their abuse.
Now that’s a grim bit of humor. Rather like saying a drunk can be entrusted with a wine cellar since he favored beer over wine.
It is a smoke screen.
Like I said above,
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You go to your local rehab facility, AA hall, what have you and find and talk to people who were sexually abused as children. Or look online at sites like Pandora's Aquarium and After Silence. Talk to a lot of people and see where most of their abuse occured. After YOU do your homework, I will debate you as much as you wish.
“... AND ROME DID NOTHING EXCEPT MOVE THE CHILD MOLESTING PRIESTS TO ANOTHER DIOCESE!!”
False. A lie. Try again.
Anger management issues can be helped. Get help.
Most informed non-Catholics admit that the Catholic church statistically was no more prone to abuse than any other church.
Now since all of these attacks against the church, I can't even volunteer at my church school without having been fingerprinted and with a backround check.
"But based on the surveys and studies conducted by different denominations over the past 30 years, experts who study child abuse say they see little reason to conclude that sexual abuse is mostly a Catholic issue.
"We don't see the Catholic Church as a hotbed of this or a place that has a bigger problem than anyone else," said Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. "I can tell you without hesitation that we have seen cases in many religious settings, from traveling evangelists to mainstream ministers to rabbis and others."
It seems to me that the FReformed raison d’être is based solely on refuting Catholic doctrine and tradition and the denigration of Catholic thought in general.
I can only speak to my own experience. Growing up, I knew 3 people who were molested. My cousin, by her mom's boyfriend's son. My best friend, by step-father. My brother, by married uncle with children.
Not one was prosecuted. Why? Because the kids involved didn't talk about it. Two said nothing until they were adults. The third situation was outted by an older sister once she moved out of the house and the mother denied for awhile but eventually kicked the step-father out.
I don't know that anyone has looked at abused boys, or abused girls specifically to see if there is a different group of abusers (primarily family, or primarily community members).
What’s with the “look-at-me” font?
Homosexuals and bisexuals would have more opportunity in the family. Family is not just mom, dad and kids, it includes other family and often friends.
For my husband, it was his aunt’s brother who put the moves on, he didn’t accomplish anything but my husband didn’t tell on him either.
My husband and I both were almost abused as children, neither of us told our parents. We're pretty sure that the man who tried with my husband did abuse others in the family but we don't know cuz they've never talked either.
In one family I know, the uncle abused 2 children, the parents and grandparents swept it under the rug.
I can only speak for myself but I felt stupid and vulnerable and afraid that I, myself had done something wrong. I was 6, I didn't know about sex, when this guy exposed himself and tried to make me touch him I obviously knew that that was not normal. As an adult I am amazed at the poise I had that day. The man had approached me on the way home from school and I told him that my mother was going to come looking for me but that I would come back as soon as I changed out of my school clothes. I never left that house alone after that, I waited for my brothers or my cousins after school and walked home with them.
I am not sure I understand what you’re saying.
You accuse Gonzo of not reading the article. Then you ask: “Are you trying to say that 86% of families are headed by “homosexual or bisexual” people?”
But what you reference in regard to that question is this: “ A 1988 study of 229 convicted child molesters published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that 86% of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual.9”
I see “convicted child molestors”. Where do you see “heads of families”?
You screamed: “THE SEXUAL ORIENTAION OF THE PRIEST DOES NOT MATTER!”
Clearly it does when the overwhelming number of abusers were homosexual men abusing adolescent boys and young men. That’s called ephobophilia. And yes, it matters.
Your posting is a smoke screen intended to keep the focus on the Catholic Church instead of the homosexual community and the various Protestant denominations in which molestation and abuse rates are three to ten times higher than within the Catholic Church.
Those who actively pursue scandal and slander have real issues. Pray for Gamecock, and all those who "know not what they do".
We all know His church would be persecuted. All the more reason to fast and pray.
No. Teachers, law enforcement, and other religious groups have all thrown that same excuse out on Free Republic threads.
Yes, there were female victims. Yes, there were a small fraction that qualify to be categorized as pedophilia.
But the facts are that the vast majority of these cases were homosexual men molesting post-pubescent males.
That by definition is homosexual molestation, and represents the vast majority of cases.
This is absolutely about homosexuality in the priesthood. The homosexuals infiltrated the priesthood. The primary failure of the Church was in letting it happen, during the 50s, 60s and 70s, despite the constant prohibition against it. Then the homosexuals did what (some) homosexuals do, they molested teenage boys. The Church tried to cover it up to prevent public scandal, and embarassment, and frankly, half the bishops were homosexuals themselves, and were thus compromised.
The central story is the Church failing to maintain its discipline and keep out homosexuals, but the world prefers to exclaim that the Church has a pedophile problem. It doesnt. It had a homosexual priest problem. But thats not politically correct, and the world refuses to permit that message to get out.
If the Church had maintained its discipline and obeyed its own teachings on homosexuality and continued to refuse entry of homosexuals into its seminaries, 85% of this would have never happened, and thered be no story today.
The Church made a big mistake in its aggiornamento of the 1960s and compromising with the spirit of this world, and the Church owes its faithful and the world a big apology for letting homosexual deviants destroy the credibility of its priesthood.
The Church tried to cover it up to prevent public scandal, and embarassment, and frankly, half the bishops were homosexuals themselves, and were thus compromised.
This is the other half of the equation. The Church has a homosexual priest problem. Homosexuals in the priesthood did what (some) homosexuals are wont to do, they engaged in chicken hawking.
And since a large fraction of the bishops were also homosexual, and a mutual blackmail system naturally existed among the whole Lavender Mafia, the bishops engaged in consistently covering it up.
Again, its primarily a homosexual problem.
That is a specious argument and you know it. Those that purport that the scandal is either exclusively Catholic or an officially sponsored Catholic Church activity are guilty of denial and are therefore complicit in the continued abuse of children within their own denominations. Those legitimately concerned for the victims do not obsess over one group of perpetrators while turning a blind eye to others unless their real agenda is the demise of the Catholic Church and not the plight of all victims of abuse.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
This article makes it crystal clear that the boys who were molested by Murphy were young adolescents.
Child rape is evil, no doubt. Anger however, can also lead to evil, truly if anger is a problem for you get help. Anger clouds your judgment, makes you do and say things that are themselves bad.
There were a few pedophile priests and many more queers who infiltrated the priesthood. (This was done by the Comintern/KGB on purpose from the 20’s through the 60’s to both Anglican and Catholic and Orthodox seminaries.) The Church has slowly, painfully moved to purge out that deviants and has eliminated almost all of the abusers. More, the Church now has systems in place that should prevent the problem from resurfacing other than as an occasional crime.
Thank you for this important clarification.
SOP for Gamecock. He’s compensating for many inadequacies in his life.