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Pope Benedict to deliver 'intense' message during Fatima visit
EWTN News ^ | 5/5/2010

Posted on 05/05/2010 10:48:55 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: Mad Dawg; RnMomof7; metmom; Quix; 1000 silverlings; count-your-change
If the antis keep up their howling and baying, I'm going to consecrate myself to Mary

Great. As God's word tells us, that will just make it easier for all of us to discern light from dark.

"For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you." -- 1 Corinthians 11:19

101 posted on 05/06/2010 3:47:44 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7
I'm distressed that you didn't comment on my rewrite of the headline.

I also thought I should add ... That without trying or even,in a way, wanting to, I am utterly convinced of the apparitions to St Catherine Laboure which led to the striking of the Miraculous Medal. My tag (now in Latin, but for the past few years in English) comes from the vision St Catherine had of the medal.

Medals, and especially the so-called "Miraculous Medal," were one of the aspects of Catholicism that struck me as icky -- trinkets, ju-jus, talismans, amulets -- not so much idolatry, as you all are fond of saying, as "superstition."

So, one day, the Saturday in the octave of Easter, I was at the Immaculate Conception in DC. I had been at a retreat/quiet day/ conference at the Dominican House of Studies and we were all going to gawk at this monstrous huge Basilica for a little while and also check out the bookstore.

I ended up resting my 6 week post op feets while sitting in the Miraculous Medal Chapel, which was designed with all the elegance and beauty of the old TWA terminal at Kennedy airport and which features a statue of our Lady designed and executed (or it should have been executed) by someone who hates women, beauty or both.

So I'm just sitting there with my feet hurting and my heart glad because it's Easter and the retreat was very good and kind of wincing at the atrocity of the chapel and going 'eew eew eeww!' at the idea of the whole Miraculous Medal shtick.

And St Catherine told me to go right down stairs to the money changers and sellers of doves and what not and buy a medal for myself and for my wife and to increase my devotion to our Lady.

Well, now, I daresay you don't believe any of this or think I had a small stroke or something worse (LSD flashback .... oh WOW!) but there it is. Suddenly, though my feet did NOT miraculously stop hurting or anything, I was on them and hobbling down the stairs and finding two nice medals (Mine has a cross sort of behind the oval of the medal) got Father Brian to "put the mojo" on them and I have mine on right now, with my Lay Dominican Scapular medal.

And I've been a perfect person ever since AND I don't wear out shoes because I'm always floating an inch above the floor.

Nope, my life hasn't changed except that now among my friends I count a cranky French farm girl who became a Vincentian sister and had some visions.

It doesn't make sense to me either. But I'm as likely to doubt the sun in the sky as I am to doubt St Catherine's kicking me in the butt (figuratively speaking.)

Okay. I'm ready. Bring it. I'll try to be good.

102 posted on 05/06/2010 4:02:10 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
1) Speaking as a mother, "love poetry" sounds pretty creepy when directed at a mother by anyone but her husband. Maybe this peculiar inclination is why is seems so easy for Roman Catholics to slavishly call fellow sinners "Father" when the Bible tells us not to. Or to overlook the pederasty among its priests because it perverts what "mother" and "father" and "love" all mean. Blind sublimation is never good.

What did/do you call your *birth* father?
103 posted on 05/06/2010 4:03:21 PM PDT by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: Mad Dawg
Seriously, it's not a matter I worry about. If people come out of Fatima praying to Jesus for mercy for themselves and others, well, I can get behind that enthusiastically.

What if they come out praying to Mary ?

Truth is important MD..it is not an option.. Lets say a woman has 5 abortions so she can keep her corporate job.. and she is promoted to president ..are the abortions to be looked at as good, because they had a good result?

104 posted on 05/06/2010 4:07:07 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Mad Dawg

So St Catherine was responsible for your healing? Or was it Mary?


105 posted on 05/06/2010 4:10:07 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: mlizzy

Ask him if he had a father? What did he call him? The reasoning is not there.


106 posted on 05/06/2010 4:10:09 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: RnMomof7; metmom; Quix; 1000 silverlings; count-your-change; Judith Anne
Feel the LOVE!

I'm going to grin like a dawg and run about the city* -- of Charlottesville. Rip me to shreds while I'm gone, and I will try to be back around 0300 Zulu.



*Points for the person identifying the quote.
Bonus points for the name of the English scholar and mystery writer who uses the quote with the same facetiousness in a mystery.

107 posted on 05/06/2010 4:10:18 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: RnMomof7
The ability your side shows of seizing hold of the wrong end of the stick is another wonder to be explained.

I specifically and explicitly said there was no mitigation of pain or any wonder (of that kind) at all.

And do you REALLY think that you can set so obvious a snare and have me blunder into it? I suggest some contemplation of the nuances of the words "through" and "by" and of the concept of instrument.

What if they come out praying to Mary

Truth is important MD..it is not an option..

I love the way you guys say Sola Fide and then turn around and make right dogma a work without which one cannot be saved.

Gotta go.

108 posted on 05/06/2010 4:19:43 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: Quix
Some folks make detecting UNMITIGATED UNBIBLICAL NONSENSE super easy.

I'd suggest that you accompany this with Queen's We Are the Champions when you say this.

109 posted on 05/06/2010 4:30:42 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Mad Dawg
St Catherine of Siena : "Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom."

That would make me float on air too...The prince of the power of the air blowing me along

110 posted on 05/06/2010 4:33:57 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: wagglebee; Quix
No, the Blessed Mother is not YOUR mother.

Does that not mean that Mary didn't have sex with satan and spawn the viles and the Deep Ones and the Tcho Tcho people? Interesting. I believe that there are some here who might equate Mary with the wife of Wilbur Whately who produced the Dark Young / human hybrids.

Of course there are some who are need 24 hour assistance...

111 posted on 05/06/2010 4:41:10 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
RCs can believe Mary is their mother till Judgment Day

Oh boy. I dread my Judgement, but I am looking forward to that of certain Reformed. Even though you guys claim that you are not Judged. Or some such.

112 posted on 05/06/2010 4:43:08 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: wagglebee
I don’t know why the non-Catholics even care. Okay, that’s not quite true, they HATE the mother of God and, as hard as it is to believe, they probably hate her more than they hate the Church.

When you deny the very institution that Christ set up in your own hubris, you must deny its legitimacy and anything else about it that you possibly can.

113 posted on 05/06/2010 4:45:07 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: RnMomof7; Mad Dawg
What is the base you use to determine if a tradition or an” apparition” was true and if it is from God? What is your measuring rod?

I don't have one. I will depend on the Holy Spirit, directing the Church of Jesus Christ to provide that decision.

114 posted on 05/06/2010 4:48:06 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Great. As God's word tells us, that will just make it easier for all of us to discern light from dark.

"For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you." -- 1 Corinthians 11:19

Standing applause, Dr. E. You have just described the intense effort by the power seekers to legitimize the Reformation. I could not have described it better. You aren't thinking of swimming the Tiber, are you?

115 posted on 05/06/2010 4:50:23 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: RnMomof7

I just looked that Quote up If you believed this you should be reading this with one eye and typing with one hand because you literally must believe Christ MATTHEW 18:8”If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than to have two hands or two feet and be cast into the eternal fire.Hyperbole

Recognize and be able to use hyperboles.

A hyperbole is a type of figurative language. It is often confused with a simile or a metaphor because it often compares two objects. The difference is a hyperbole is an exaggeration. For example: His feet were as big as a barge. It looks like a simile. It is comparing foot size to the size of a barge. Everyone knows that a barge is approximately 700 feet long. Imagine getting a pair of shoes that big!

Activity: Draw a cartoon about school or your favorite sport that includes a hyperbole (You might draw and exaggerate a humerous situation that you saw or were a part of the action.). Put the hyperbole in a different color so that it is obvious to your teacher.

Definition:

Hyperbole is a figure of speech which is an exaggeration. Persons often use expressions such as “I nearly died laughing,” “I was hopping mad,” and “I tried a thousand times.” Such statements are not literally true, but people make them to sound impressive or to emphasize something, such as a feeling, effort, or reaction.

Hyperboles are common in everyday language and in poetry.


116 posted on 05/06/2010 5:20:33 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: RnMomof7

Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Exodus 23:1 Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.

Deuteronomy 5:20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Deuteronomy 19:16 If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
17 Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
19 Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.
20 And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.
21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Proverbs 12:17 He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.

Proverbs 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

Proverbs 14:25 A true witness delivereth souls: but a deceitful witness speaketh lies.

Proverbs 19:5 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall not escape.

Proverbs 19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.

Proverbs 19:28 An ungodly witness scorneth judgment: and the mouth of the wicked devoureth iniquity.

Proverbs 21:28 A false witness shall perish: but the man that heareth speaketh constantly.

Proverbs 24:28 Be not a witness against thy neighbour without cause; and deceive not with thy lips.

Proverbs 25:18 A man that beareth false witness against his neighbour is a maul, and a sword, and a sharp arrow.

Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mark 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

Luke 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


117 posted on 05/06/2010 5:28:51 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: RnMomof7

All your knowledge is nothing unless you have LOVE. For you to distort a PHRASE. You need LOVE- 1 JOHN 4: 7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Anyone who does NOT LOVE does NOT know God, because God is love. I want you to know I love you I once was like you.


118 posted on 05/06/2010 5:36:43 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: RnMomof7
Let me get this straight: You left Catholicism, Christ's True church, but those lines do not apply to you?

And despite being tempted by half truths and lies, I stayed, so those verses do apply to me?

LOL! I truly hope you are as deeply at Peace with the Lord as I am.

119 posted on 05/06/2010 5:37:21 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
1) Speaking as a mother, "love poetry" sounds pretty creepy when directed at a mother by anyone but her husband. Maybe this peculiar inclination is why is seems so easy for Roman Catholics to slavishly call fellow sinners "Father" when the Bible tells us not to. Or to overlook the pederasty among its priests because it perverts what "mother" and "father" and "love" all mean. Blind sublimation is never good.

You're a mother? And you have a problem with your children loving you? You think it's creepy to get a love poem from one of your children? By that, are you talking about INAPPROPRIATE love, or incest? What brought THAT to your mind? Never mind, don't tell me.

A mother's love for her children, and their love for her in return, is one of the most beautiful things in the world. Poems about that love have kept Hallmark and florists in business for quite some time. Children bring their crayoned drawings to their mothers so proudly, "I love you Mommy" and mothers coo over them so happily -- it's joy in the existence each of the other.

A son's love for his mother is beautiful. It IS beautiful! From her, he learns who to marry, from her, he learns how to talk and walk, from her, he learns how to bond with another human being in a non-sexual way. From her, he learns how to receive good gifts from those who love him. From her, he learns what devotion looks like, and how to do it. From her, he learns how to play...

M/i>Same with mothers and daughters -- what a fun, joyful, peaceful, giving relationship! And the bond of a faithful friend whom either can turn to for anything throughout their lives.

A mother's love, and the devotion of her children to her, is the solid foundation for all other loves in life. I fail to see how that could be in any way "creepy" except in the case of severe psychological disturbance.

Nothing we humans do is perfect, BUT our love for Mary, the mother of our Savior, expresses our faith in the ideal love that will be fully and perfectly experienced in Heaven between us, our children, and our parents, the Blessed Virgin and her Son, our Savior, the Holy Spirit and the Father of all, in sublime union.

120 posted on 05/06/2010 5:43:41 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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