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Posted on 05/05/2010 10:48:55 AM PDT by markomalley
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Meister Eckhardt wrote about this, and if YOU don't know about THAT Dominican brother, you are missing a treat.
IF you trust God's promise of the protection and guidance of the Holy Spirit, then even if your particular prelate is a bozo (as is often the case), his very boso-osity is a gift in the form of a chance to step out in trust that God's Spirit it going to make it come out all right despite local bozos.
This is an AWESOME spiritual challenge and exercise --simply awesome. Sometimes it's hard to obey a boss whom we think to be right.
It's REALLY hard to obey a boss whom we know to be a bozo, because we trust God's promise (as we think it to be) to protect the Church even with bozos like Peter and most of the subsequent Popes.
The Catholic experience provides the faithful with many many opportunities daily to make a conscious, purposeful commitment of trust to God.It's a real blessing. It's as if God were saying to each one of us, "Okay, do you trust me when I give you a bishop who is a poltroon and a dolt?"
We have it easy. Job said, "Though he slay me, yet will I trust the Lord.
Catholics say, "Even though He obviously looked long and hard for the biggest horse's patootie He could find,and made him our bishop, Yet will I trust the Lord."
and at the end of the difficult and frustrating day we weep with relief because God Himself has once again proved Himself worthy of trust and love.
Given your relatively short number of years on FR, perhaps you haven’t read a high enough percentage of my rantings to realize I’ve always emphasized that.
The Vatican umbrella includes almost everything from A to Z as does the Protty umbrella.
Of course, only the Roman Catholics et al pretend—in many hagglings back and forth—that
THEIR . . . uhhhh burps . . . aren’t acidic and aren’t embarrassing—and that except for a rare wayward monk or priest way over THERE and waaaaaaayyyyyy back long ago—they are ALL as pure as the driven snow and
ONLY believe exactly what the Catechism says and ONLY practice exactly what the Catechism says to practice.
Annnnnnnd . . . most preposterous of all . . . that the Catechism agrees 100% with 100% of Scripture.
Please excuse me. Those last lines are likely to trigger some upchuck.
I didn’t realize what great fantasizers the RC’s were before I joined FR.
I agree. Trusting God in such cases is an exercise in growing in Faith, big time. Been there. Done that.
I’ll take your word for it.
Blessings to you in The Lord’s grace and love and in walking in His Spirit attentive to HIS voice.
Now lettest Thou thy servant depart in peace. Thou hast fulfilled Thy promise. Mine own eyes have seen Thy Salvation which Thou hast prepared in the sight of all peoples, a light unto the Gentiles, and the glory of Thy people Israel.
All y’all, that’s from the gospels. Heh.
Was one of the few really pleasant things I did with my blood dad in my 63 years . . . at the Cinerama in Scottsdale not long after the movie came out.
I laughed belly laughs at probably 95% of the gags.
The guy kicking the bucket at the end was the precisely right finishing touch.
I think I saw THE BROTHERS GRIMM BIOGRAPHY/FAIRY TALES also in Cinerama at the same theater.
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Hey I am a big old time movie buff. I am 48. I used go up until the Mid 80’s to this cinerama theatre they were great. I just want to say I personally would of love to have seen its Mad mad mad world on that screen. I own the dvd. I just love it.
Quix, you think you have no kinship with the wacky liberal sodomite Xtians.
But yeah you do: Neither of you is in communion with the See of Rome.
But it was just as trivial and arbitrary for God to choose ONE guy in Ur of the Chaldees and to say to Abraham, "I am going to explain monotheism to you AND I am going to put you through trials in which you make nearly all the wrong choices, but at the end I will bless you, but you won't understand the blessing in all its wonder until you've been dead for over a millennium.
You make the mistake of thinking that because we make these outrageous claims, we must think we are the bees knees!
But just as Mount Sinai is a mountain nobody would look at twice if the Torah had not been delivered there, so also the Catholic church is the most ludicrous dam' thing you could imagine. No person of discernment could ever confuse the glory of God with the gaudy display of the Church.
More tomorrow maybe, I am officially at the end of my tether. May the Lord grant us a quiet night and a peaceful death.
You just gave me an idea. I have to move down south. When I get there since its warmer I want to get those tv projecter that can go on the inside or outside wall . I have family already there. That sounds like fun. I hate most new movies. Alot trash.
I rarely watch movies. Agreed. too much trash.
I liked Rogers & Hamerstein, too.
You know I am packing I was just going get that movie in the dvd collection it might be in the Box for the moving Pod. I would like to watch that tomorrow if i could.
You know I have to tell you last week we had to pull the plug on my comatose cousin. His brother wanted help so you know. He asked me to go with him. Now I said yes and they did it while we were there. Family have to be there. Now let me tell you What a thing to witness afterwards of course Devotions and pray Helped but I put on 2 W C Fields Movies when I got home. Oh what therapy!
it was THE BANK DICK and Its A Gift
Hey I know a great house for sale in Charlotte, NC!! Gorgeous city, very nice wheather, sweet people!
“I pray that you would stop spouting it, and give up your beliefs of men...”
There’s more irony here than words can accurately express.
Seriously, just who is it that you believe you are fooling?
is one of God’s great therapies.
though WC Fields is a bit . . . to something . . . for my taste.
Glad he helped.
What a chore.
Peace and wholeness in THE LORD to all concerned.
Safe travels to you.
I have family in North Georgia thanks anyway.
Bring it Holy Father. Wake the people up; wake the dead-behind-the-eyes.
Mark, I would have loved to have read about this without the Usual Suspects jumping in.
That ruined it for me. I’m very interested in Fatima, I just don’t want to debate my beliefs anymore. I just want to read about the Pope and Fatima.
I'm sorry that it ruined it for you.
I've tried arguing with them and it is just pointless. There is no sense arguing with one whose mind is already made up before the first word is uttered.
The best thing you can do when you read some of those comments is to pray for them. Remember that Jesus prayed for those who crucified them: Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. Who knows, God may give some of them a "Road to Damascus" moment (Acts 9:3-8)
With some of them it isn't just a matter of their minds being made up, some of them lack the intellectual capacity to even understand what is being said.
A great many of the anti-Catholics are totally unintelligible unless they are cutting and pasting from somewhere else. I guess certain anti-Catholics knew what they were doing when they decided to publish their trash in comic book form.
>>The best thing you can do when you read some of those comments is to pray for them.<<
Trust me, I do.
But I don’t need to see the same things over and over to be reminded of it.
Some of the posters on these threads are like our President. Even if Jesus came down and smacked them in the head, they would still cling to their egos. They tell us they we are not saved by works yet, I’m told that they MUST evangelize in order to be saved. In my own life, with many faiths in my family, I have yet to see one of them that believe that. I can’t find a single denomination.
It’s the bully on the playground. We slam the schools for blaming the person being beat on, yet gleefully allow it here. And it’s not just the Catholics.
Christianity should be about witnessing one’s faith. It’s spreading the Good News. I see little of that here.
So I’ll take my “Thin Skinned” label and avoid the smary graphic and name calling posts. There is a point where humanity should be required but isn’t. It’s sad when all I want to do is see what other Catholics are saying about the Pope and Fatima. Instead I have to read through the posts that prove conservatives are what the MSM label us.
This article could have been posted as a “Catholic Caucus” to keep the discussion among Catholics - or “ecumenical” to disallow antagonism.
Yes. I REALLY wish it had been caucused.
However, as has been pointed out, a "companinion" thread would have soon been posted by a non-Catholic.
It happens, but the companion cannot be a duplicate article while the other is still active (usually four hours.) And posters can link back to the original, caucused thread, to wave off anyone not wanting the contention of an “open” RF thread, town square type debate.
These threads go on for days. Four hours is not long enough.
As Judith pointed out below, four hours is meaningless with the thread like this (also, news out of the Vatican can easily be sourced from multiple news agencies and this makes the point about duplication moot).
These threads typically go on UNTIL a new thread is chosen. The subject of thread is generally ignored after the first few dozen posts and all we hear are the same old talking points. Take the threads about clerical abuse, what significance do Marian or Eucharistic beliefs have to do with them? The answer is nothing, but it still gets talked about. How many times has it been stated that when we speak of our Lady of Fatima that Fatima is the name of town in which she appeared, not her name? It happens on every thread and the reason is almost certainly that an unmentionable hate monger once published a "tract" stating that we were talking about Mohammed's daughter.
Is the mother of the head NOT the mother of the Body?
Is Mary NOT the mother of Jesus the Christ?
Is the Church NOT the Body of which Christ is the head?
I don't see the wildness or the rubber.
In related news, I am astonished the a psychologist questions the bonding of infant with mother as important in the development of the ability to love.
I don’t care what the Usual Suspects say. I don’t care what they think about Catholics. I would just like NOT to see the same old junk on every freaking open thread.
I guess the RM can’t do anything about that. We cannot expect him/her to help. We are going to have to make important threads CAUCUS to stop the baiting. It’s infuriating to have to lock the Church doors, but there is no other way to keep the shouting bigots out.
One more thing: If we Catholics did not have open threads, the Usual Suspects and the bigots would have no place to post their hate. They belong to sects so small that there is virtually NO NEWS to post one of their own articles about.
If we did not respond to their vicious baiting, they would have no one to argue with.
They define themselves as NOT CATHOLIC. I see no reason to give them an opportunity to pat themselves on the back and screech high-fives over gotcha posts.
Starve the beast, I say. Give them nothing, and they will die, because they HAVE nothing of their own.
Wrong, because there is NOTHING to stop them from posting their anti-Catholic threads.
The Church has taken the position that Mohammad did not create a god because there is only one God. Mohammad did not change God because because God is omnipotent. Mohammad could only incorrectly describe God.
“Bring it Holy Father.”
This title belongs to God alone, not some sin-filled fallen human. Christ even commanded that we call NO ONE “father” but His Father.
“Wake the people up; wake the dead-behind-the-eyes.”
Only God can do this. This Pope is certainly not helping matters by preaching another Gospel.
I wonder how many here realize that the behavior exhibited here is part of the reason so many people turn away from Christianity. The infighting and mud slinging- from ALL sides- do not honor what Christ gave us through His sacrifice, and those anti-Christian folks out there rightfully question how we can know anything about the Love of Christ when we can’t even obey His commandment to love one another.
Think about how long it has been since Christ walked among man. Think of what has occurred in history and consider what impact that might have had on the development of the “Church” as you may view it. And then question if you could do any better.
Alright, go ahead and flame me. I don’t care. I know I don’t have “it” completely right, but I’m doing the best I can within the limits of being human. The rest is between me and God, and that’s how I view everyone else. If you accept Christ and truly do your best to live by Christ’s teachings, I can get over differences because that’s between YOU and GOD. I believe in right and wrong, and I believe some things are absolutely right and others absolutely wrong... but when it comes down to tradition or liturgy, I wasn’t here to see how things started, so I try my best to live right by God.
Let the flaming begin.
Right, there is nothing to stop them from posting anti-Catholic threads, and that is permitted on FR.
But if we don’t participate, those threads go nowhere. It’s our indignation that makes them happy. If we are not there, they are not fed.
If you are truly interested in the subject read "Crossing the Tiber" by Steve Ray.
I have arrived late to the party, but I am making a few contributions of my own to this point in the thread.
I agree with everything you are saying here, nmm.
Every thread posted about a point of interest to Catholics becomes a battle zone unless it’s made a caucus thread or an ecumenical thread; doing that presupposes that Catholics are going to run into a volume of negative, combative posts unless they put up some kind of barrier to the thread. Then, in doing so, they find they can be accused of not wanting to debate in an open thread (”because they have no logical defense for their views”)
This kind of climate makes for a genuine and quite natural way of turning off posters who would like to come to the forum with their genuine interest and concerns.
>>I would just like NOT to see the same old junk on every freaking open thread.<<
Bullies keep beating on the same kids. Those kids are blamed. The kids are “thin skinned”. If that child leaves, the bully finds another target in the same situation.
We must lay there like a slug, it’s our only defense...lol!
The Pope is the Holy Father; the head of the Church here on earth; the Church that Jesus founded.
Jesus wanted it that way, from Peter to the end of time. The succession of Pope's will be unbroken.
>>This kind of climate makes for a genuine and quite natural way of turning off posters who would like to come to the forum with their genuine interest and concerns.<<
And bait for those who are looking to slam FR.
Read through some of these threads. Fred Phelps couldn’t do worse.
Every word you wrote in this post was already a thought in my mind many times.
You just said it better than I could have. :-)
>>Let the flaming begin.<<
I admire you more than words can say.
This is true. But at least, we could have enjoyed OUR CAUCUS and could very easily boycott a companion adverse one. (BTW, that could help to dry up the latter fairly quickly)
All I know is, it’s FR policy to let the open threads be cesspools.
“They tell us they we are not saved by works yet, Im told that they MUST evangelize in order to be saved.”
Christians are not saved by evangelizing, but they are asked to do so by their King.
Think about it. What would you do if you saw someone telling others it’s ok to do things God said not to do in the Word, and who even claim doing evil can be justified by pointing to some papers sin-filled fallen men wrote or by their ridiculous twisting of the meaning of few verses in Scripture? Would you be able to stand by and let them lead others to destruction? Or would you try to warn as many of them as you could by proclaiming the truth?
When you pray, the only two choices are to pray to God or Satan. If you are praying to, worshiping, anyone other than God, then it is Satan whom you are praying to. Saying that the Bible has sanctioned a third entity in Mary is false. There is so much that the Pope teaches to Rome that is false.
This kind of thing matters if one cares about worshiping, following, obeying the One True God and not who they would rather God be.
The Word never intended for anyone to even come up with the idea that Christ’s mother was to be elevated above Christ.
It is a total case of how humans can twist anything.
For those that have read the Bible and become Christians it is obvious that this Mary stuff is complete sin-filled human fabricated nonsense, and that following it leads to idolatry and blasphemy.