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Posted on 05/05/2010 10:48:55 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: johngrace

I see someone else has a copy of the Vatican Rubber Dictionary.


51 posted on 05/06/2010 10:41:13 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Judith Anne

Also in that verse is a good point for the unity of the Holy Spirit in the believer. The Angel is saying that its the spirit of Elijah so can Mary or anyone who is in the Holy Spirit use that as a personal pronoun to mean that they are in the Holy Spirit? Weeellll if the Angel in scripture can say it!!! HHHMMM God is allowing it! Because it is another way of saying the Truth. You know what we say in Mass, In Him With HIm IN the UNITY Of the HOLY SPIRIT. Praise JESUS AND HAIL MARY INDEED!!! Your Friendly Neighborhood Papist still swimming the Tiber come on in the waters just grand!


52 posted on 05/06/2010 10:53:03 AM PDT by johngrace
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To: johngrace; Quix; metmom; Alex Murphy; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; count-your-change
He can’t understand the love poetry for our Mother

1) Speaking as a mother, "love poetry" sounds pretty creepy when directed at a mother by anyone but her husband. Maybe this peculiar inclination is why is seems so easy for Roman Catholics to slavishly call fellow sinners "Father" when the Bible tells us not to. Or to overlook the pederasty among its priests because it perverts what "mother" and "father" and "love" all mean. Blind sublimation is never good.

2) She's NOT your mother.

53 posted on 05/06/2010 11:00:52 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; johngrace; Campion; MarkBsnr; markomalley; Dr. Brian Kopp; Mad Dawg; ...
She's NOT your mother.

No, the Blessed Mother is not YOUR mother.

54 posted on 05/06/2010 11:05:16 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Campion
You should know by now that there is no way that God can possibly produce the Miracle of the Sun, there must be a more "biblical" explanation.


55 posted on 05/06/2010 11:09:59 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Don't take my word for it. Believe Jesus Christ.

"Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." -- Matthew 12:48-50

Repeating the same errors over and over does not turn them into truth. RCs can believe Mary is their mother till Judgment Day, and it still will be a foul and dangerous lie which detracts from the glory that is due the Triune God alone.

56 posted on 05/06/2010 11:10:11 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: wagglebee
Amen.

"An infallible and unmistakable sign by which we can distinguish a heretic, a man of false doctrine, an enemy of God, from one of God's true friends is that the heretic and the hardened sinner show nothing but contempt and indifference for our Lady. He endeavours by word and example, openly or insidiously - sometimes under specious pretexts - to belittle the love and veneration shown to her."

TREATISE ON TRUE DEVOTION TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN
St. Louis de Montfort

57 posted on 05/06/2010 11:12:02 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; Alex Murphy; Quix; 1000 silverlings; metmom; count-your-change; wmfights; ...
one can expect the pope to weigh in at this critical juncture.

God forbid. Let us pray Ratzinger's last foray into world politics, his communist manifesto on the need for a "global authority," is his last.

Stick to what you think you know, Joe.

58 posted on 05/06/2010 11:15:20 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; johngrace; Campion; MarkBsnr; markomalley; Dr. Brian Kopp; Mad Dawg; ...
Don't take my word for it. Believe Jesus Christ.

"Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." -- Matthew 12:48-50

As I was saying, she is not YOUR mother.

RCs can believe Mary is their mother till Judgment Day,

I'm shocked that Calvinists even speak of Judgment Day, I thought in Calvin's Cosmic Lottery one was either among the elect or they weren't.

it still will be a foul and dangerous lie which detracts from the glory that is due the Triune God alone.

Like modern-say spy movies, the foul and dangerous lie has an acronym: TULIP.

59 posted on 05/06/2010 11:17:40 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

INDEED.

Her Mother stint in the flesh is long over . . . and the children she is reportedly teaching in Heaven are a finite number.


60 posted on 05/06/2010 11:28:25 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ...

Sounds like he should rate up there with some others leading folks astray.


61 posted on 05/06/2010 11:29:39 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Reasonable suggestion, to me.


62 posted on 05/06/2010 11:30:10 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
"An infallible and unmistakable sign by which we can distinguish a heretic, a man of false doctrine, an enemy of God, from one of God's true friends is that the heretic and the hardened sinner show nothing but contempt and indifference for our Lady. He endeavours by word and example, openly or insidiously - sometimes under specious pretexts - to belittle the love and veneration shown to her." TREATISE ON TRUE DEVOTION TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN St. Louis de Montfort

Thank you for posting this!

Even Martin Luther got this one right

[She is the] highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ . . . She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified. We can never honor her enough. Still honor and praise must be given to her in such a way as to injure neither Christ nor the Scriptures.- Martin Luther -Sermon, Christmas, 1531)

63 posted on 05/06/2010 11:30:27 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ...

It’s kind of mildly fascinating . . .

after all the grand invitation to reason . . .

instead of dealing with my points.

YET AGAIN

we have the compulsive, chronic, knee-jerk reflex pseudo-’response’

of

KILL THE MESSENGER AT ALL COSTS.

Of course . . . that pseudo-response is

sooooooooooooooooooo full of

centuries of

Vatican

rubber dictionary,
rubber history,
rubber Bible,
rubber ‘logic,’
rubber integrity,
rubber ‘honesty,’
. . .


64 posted on 05/06/2010 11:32:34 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix; Dr. Eckleburg

Aren’t all the gloom and doom predictions long overdue? If it’s a prophecy let’s get it over with already


65 posted on 05/06/2010 11:42:12 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: wagglebee; RnMomof7; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; the_conscience; ...
Well, I give you the unambiguous words of Jesus Christ in Matthew 12 (repeated in two other gospels) and you read them as "love prayers to your mother."

As God wills.

I'm shocked that Calvinists even speak of Judgment Day, I thought in Calvin's Cosmic Lottery one was either among the elect or they weren't.

All men will be judged at Judgment Day. But all Bible-believing Christians know and are grateful for the fact that they will not be judged by their own righteousness, but by Christ's righteousness within them, freely given by God to His own.

Men are saved by unearned mercy, and not debt. By Christ's obedience. By Christ's sacrifice. By Christ's righteousness. By Christ's good work on the cross. All mercifully imputed to the believer.

Like modern-say spy movies, the foul and dangerous lie has an acronym: TULIP.

lol. Funny you equate spy movies with TULIP. Ian Fleming and James Bond were both Scottish Calvinists. They both knew right from wrong, by the grace of God alone.

66 posted on 05/06/2010 11:43:16 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Quix
KILL THE MESSENGER AT ALL COSTS

Thus, the counter Reformation which continues to this day.

67 posted on 05/06/2010 11:45:57 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: 1000 silverlings

I’m in no great rush to race to Armageddon.

At this stage, that is.

Once things get really nasty, yeah, hurry it up.

Evidently God is planning to do just that.

The END TIMES are unfolding on HIS schedule, not ours.

Thankfully.


68 posted on 05/06/2010 11:50:50 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

INDEED.

sigh.


69 posted on 05/06/2010 11:51:20 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; johngrace; Campion; MarkBsnr; markomalley; Dr. Brian Kopp; Mad Dawg; netmilsmom; ...
Well, I give you the unambiguous words of Jesus Christ in Matthew 12 (repeated in two other gospels) and you read them as "love prayers to your mother."

I will repeat this for the third and final time:
The Blessed Mother is not YOUR mother.

It seems that you agree with me on this, so I don't know why you want to debate it.

All men will be judged at Judgment Day.

So much for Calvin's Cosmic Lottery.

Funny you equate spy movies with TULIP.

No, I equate acronyms for evil with TULIP.

Ian Fleming and James Bond were both Scottish Calvinists.

So?

70 posted on 05/06/2010 11:54:12 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: johngrace

Galations 4: 4”But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a WOMAN, Born UNDER LAW, 5to redeem those under law, that we MIGHT receive the full rights of sons.” Gee! He does have to obey the Law ! Could he not be the SINLESS LAMB! The commandments are the law! LUKE 17 7”It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.” SO HONOR YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER ARE STILL THERE. CHRIST IS SHOWING WE ARE ALL FAMILY who believe. HELLLLOOO! I GUESS HIS MOTHER IN THE HEAVENLY KITCHEN DOING THE DISHES AND THEN HAS TO TAKE OUT THE GARBAGE FOR THE CURB. STILLIING SWIMMING THE TIBER!!


71 posted on 05/06/2010 11:59:41 AM PDT by johngrace
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

What is THE SONG OF SONGS?


72 posted on 05/06/2010 12:09:44 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: johngrace
What is THE SONG OF SONGS?

LOL. It wasn't written for Mother's Day.

This gets creepier as RC theories are exposed...

From that old standby, Wikipedia...

The protagonists of the Song of Songs are a woman (identified in one verse as "the Shulamite")[3] and a man, and the poem suggests movement from courtship to consummation...

Are RC apologists "courting and consummating" with Mary?

Creepier and creepier. Rome's worship of idols appears to know no bounds.

73 posted on 05/06/2010 12:22:51 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
I don't know why, but I just love this St. Louis de Montfort.

If the antis keep up their howling and baying, I'm going to consecrate myself to Mary. Seems increasingly like the only reasonable response.

74 posted on 05/06/2010 12:24:09 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: wagglebee; marshmallow

why didn’t marshmallow make this type of thread a caucus thread? You know the born agains would chime in.


75 posted on 05/06/2010 12:28:12 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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To: Coleus; markomalley

Maybe because it was markomalley who posted it?

I don’t know why the non-Catholics even care. Okay, that’s not quite true, they HATE the mother of God and, as hard as it is to believe, they probably hate her more than they hate the Church.


76 posted on 05/06/2010 12:32:05 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Mad Dawg
The antis kept me away from St. Louis de Montfort all these years. I almost left Catholicism in 1991 under the sway of a fallen away Catholic fundamentalist.

It took 19 years to completely wash their erroneous beliefs out of my mind, and during that almost 2 decade struggle, their errors which I had internalized kept me from picking up St. Louis de Montfort.

I finally started reading him last month, and started the 30 day consecration on his feast day, April 28.

I'm finally at peace. The last vestiges of these protestant heresies have finally been exorcised from my intellect, and there are no facets of the True Faith about which I hold any reserves whatsoever.

St. Louis de Montfort's writings are integral to surviving the Last Days with the True Faith intact.

77 posted on 05/06/2010 12:35:02 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Campion

, "O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, lead all souls to heaven, especially those most in need of Thy mercy."

Shhhh! Don't tell the antis that we pray that so often! They might think we believe in Jesus as our Savior.

No, as a matter of fact, they're not showing much sign of believing that.

78 posted on 05/06/2010 12:37:15 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: Coleus
I didn't post the thread but if I did, I wouldn't have caucused it either.

For the following reasons;

1) Determined trolls, have in recent memory, re-posted caucus threads without the "caucus" label and discussed the issue anyway.

2) The naysaying ultimately works to our advantage. On any given day, throwing mud at the Catholic Church can impress the gullible but when it is repeated daily over a prolonged period, the negativity, bitterness and obsession becomes difficult to hide and is a major turn off for the neutrals. A spoon full of honey attracts more flies than a barrel full of vinegar, as St. Francis de Sales once said. Let them run their mouths. They're harming themselves principally.

3) We ought to be adult enough to handle it. As Catholics, we need to be able to engage the flamethrowers and flak-originators head on and counter their lies, distortions, half-truths and kooky ideas.

4) It's good for us. A little pain is good for the soul.

5) Shutting out the incorrigible naysayers only invigorates them and makes them more rabid in the long run. It heightens their urge to attack and fuels their already deranged "Catholic conspiracy" theories.

79 posted on 05/06/2010 12:47:52 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Creeper ? Its in the Bible.


80 posted on 05/06/2010 12:53:57 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: wagglebee; Coleus; Mad Dawg; Judith Anne
I don’t know why the non-Catholics even care.

And I don't know why any of us care what they think.

Okay, that’s not quite true, they HATE the mother of God and, as hard as it is to believe, they probably hate her more than they hate the Church.

Well, all I can say to that is respond with a couple of Scripture verses:

If the above verses apply to you, then Mary must be your mother. If's she's not your mother, well then....

But I don't think that they really care one way or the other.

81 posted on 05/06/2010 12:55:44 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: marshmallow

Outstanding post!


82 posted on 05/06/2010 12:57:09 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: marshmallow
The naysaying ultimately works to our advantage. On any given day, throwing mud at the Catholic Church can impress the gullible but when it is repeated daily over a prolonged period, the negativity, bitterness and obsession becomes difficult to hide and is a major turn off for the neutrals.

True. Most lurkers recognize monomania for the pathology it truly is. We need not worry ourselves if every lie and falsehood is not addressed or corrected on every threads. God brings good out of evil, and the devil knows the right address, and will use any willing accomplice to carry out his attacks on Christ's True Church. Their constant attacks are more than adequate proof of this.

83 posted on 05/06/2010 12:59:32 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Mad Dawg

LUKE 1:16Many of the people of Israel will he bring back to the Lord their God. 17And he will go on before the Lord, In The SPIRIT And Power Of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous—to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.” Your consecrated to Mary already in the Holy Spirit your just noting veneratetion to her in the Body of Christ.


84 posted on 05/06/2010 1:10:02 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; marshmallow

I cannot imagine how hollow an existence it must be to only be identified by who you hate.


85 posted on 05/06/2010 1:12:29 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: markomalley
For me, part of the thrill of being Catholic is the challenge and opportunity to believe God and to believe IN God, with all HIs amazingly rich promises of shaken down, pressed together, running over grace, and as psalm 16 (15) says .. adimplebis me laetitia cum vultu tuo: delectationes in dextera tua usque in finem.

Certainly to be in His presence (cum vultu [suo]) is fullness of joy, but, then beyond that fullness =, at His right hand (in dextera [sua]) are delights forever!

The Love and friendship of our Blessed Mother, and the company of the saints, these are among the delectationes, the pleasures and delights, that God so incredibly, so extravagantly provides. Not JUST that He saves us from sin and redeems us from the grave and every peril, but then He brings us a hot fudge sundae!

So, I guess in the face of the haters, it is up to us to focus on the joy, and to let the Love transform and edify us, while the haters will do what they can to distract us.

Satan, when he tempted our Lord, kept on challenging His being. IF you are the Son of God, then -- do this or that. So the haters start by challenging the Love of God in our lives, telling us we are deluded, deceived, and deceitful.

Maybe the opportunity here is to try to use this as an occasion, a further occasion to cast ourselves on God's mercy.

I am resolved. I've already been to Mass today, but tomorrow I'm going to talk to my pastor about consecrating myself to Mary. It's the only reasonable response to this lunacy and spite.

86 posted on 05/06/2010 1:27:10 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: Mad Dawg

DID YOU SEE THIS -We have solemn documents by Pope Innocent VIII, 1484; Julias II, 1504; and Adrian VI, 1523; on the subject of Possession. So SERIOUS had the situation become at the DAWN of Protestantism, that EVERY Catholic priest was given the power of exorcism. -THE SPIRIT OF THE AIR WAS DOING OVERTIME BECAUSE OF THE FALLING AWAY FROM THE CHURCH. Thats inhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2508109/posts


87 posted on 05/06/2010 1:37:44 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; Dr. Eckleburg; count-your-change; 1000 silverlings; metmom; Quix; Alex Murphy; ...
"An infallible and unmistakable sign by which we can distinguish a heretic, a man of false doctrine, an enemy of God, from one of God's true friends is that the heretic and the hardened sinner show nothing but contempt and indifference for our Lady. He endeavours by word and example, openly or insidiously - sometimes under specious pretexts - to belittle the love and veneration shown to her." TREATISE ON TRUE DEVOTION TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN St. Louis de Montfort

Brian the problem is that Catholics mistake that protestants putting Mary in the proper perspective as taught by Christ is disrespect or heretical...not so..

Placing her above where Christ would have her is idolatry

88 posted on 05/06/2010 1:59:08 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

Brian the problem is that Catholics mistake that protestants putting Mary in the proper perspective as taught by Christ is disrespect or heretical...not so..

Placing her above where Christ would have her is idolatry

= = =

INDEED TO THE MAX

And evidently one of their cardinal doctrines is to fling freely far and further

the label of “hate”

whenever they catch someone not marching lock-step with whatever fraction of the Catechism or the more elaborate informal dogma and practices that the ranter is pontificating in defense of at the moment.


89 posted on 05/06/2010 2:09:08 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: RnMomof7
Placing her above where Christ would have her is idolatry.

On that I think you will find agreement.

There are problems though:

To us it feels like somebody telling us to get out of a place we are not in, which, the first time around seems to be a communication problem.

But as the conversation continues and all the old spite and abuse comes up again, and again, and again, then it becomes simply incredible that good will could have any part in what is directed at us.

To us, despite appearances, simple explanations are the best. If the Sun, which God made, dances in the sky in support of an apparition among whose messages are the instruction to pray to Jesus for mercy for ourselves and for those who need it most, there are many possible explanations.

One is that the apparition was real and the message was something good to heed. How could it be bad to pray to Jesus for mercy? Why shouldn't God make the sun dance? He made it stop once ...

Sure, it could be something called mass hypnosis which means exactly ..... uh what does it mean again? It could be space aliens who were trying to lead us all astray by encouraging us to pray to Jesus for mercy to sort of gain our confidence so that later they could inveigle us into voting Democratic or something.

Well, I'm going with the simple explanation, the one that leads me to give thanks to God for all his marvellous works, among whom is His Mother and mine.

90 posted on 05/06/2010 2:22:16 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: marshmallow

Well said. I agree with each point.


91 posted on 05/06/2010 2:37:01 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: wagglebee

So, like, is this the battle thread for the day? I haven’t been around since this morning.


92 posted on 05/06/2010 2:37:46 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
True. Most lurkers recognize monomania for the pathology it truly is. We need not worry ourselves if every lie and falsehood is not addressed or corrected on every threads. God brings good out of evil, and the devil knows the right address, and will use any willing accomplice to carry out his attacks on Christ's True Church. Their constant attacks are more than adequate proof of this.

Believe it or not I was *just* researching the word monomania today, relative to its use in one of my classes.. I didn't expect to see it here, but thanks for the link!

93 posted on 05/06/2010 2:40:55 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: Mad Dawg

Brilliant. Well stated.


94 posted on 05/06/2010 2:41:50 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Mad Dawg
It's the only reasonable response to this lunacy and spite.

Not saying you shouldn't do that, but here's another reasonable response:

Love your enemies, do good to them that hate you. Bless them that curse you, and pray for them that calumniate you. And to him that striketh thee on the one cheek, offer also the other. And him that taketh away from thee thy cloak, forbid not to take thy coat also.

I see the two responses going together, actually.

95 posted on 05/06/2010 2:47:05 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Lorica
the battle thread for the day

I LOVE it!

96 posted on 05/06/2010 2:58:52 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
And there's always joking.

For example does anybody else think this headline is funny? I've been re-writing it sincce I first read it.

Pope Benedict to deliver totally 'intense', like, I mean, really, message during Fatima visit,

Come on. that sounds WAY better, doesn't it?
97 posted on 05/06/2010 3:01:37 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Luke 8: 5A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it. 6And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture. 7And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it. 8And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

11Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

98 posted on 05/06/2010 3:15:59 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Mad Dawg

What is the base you use to determine if a tradition or an” apparition” was true and if it is from God? What is your measuring rod?


99 posted on 05/06/2010 3:19:42 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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Well, up until the last few weeks on FR, I didn't think about it much. I don't think any are de fide and as a former pastor who still sort of cares, what matters to me is the change I see in people's lives. A couple I know went to Medjugorje and their marriage was way strengthened and in general things got a lot better for them. That kind of thing.

But I'm thinking of adopting a new rule of thumb. If it makes the antis foam at the mouth, it is, at least, worthy of my careful attention and consideration. If they get abusive in their language and bizarre in their theories, it's probably true.

Seriously, it's not a matter I worry about. If people come out of Fatima praying to Jesus for mercy for themselves and others, well, I can get behind that enthusiastically.

100 posted on 05/06/2010 3:41:15 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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