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EWTN News ^ | 5/5/2010

Posted on 05/05/2010 10:48:55 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: metmom

WELL PUT.

THX.


841 posted on 05/09/2010 5:58:29 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: hosepipe; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; Quix; Mad Dawg; GourmetDan; wagglebee; Running On Empty

You know, that’s the problem I have with the name it and claim it crowd. I’ve been to churches and heard preaching that’s along the lines of looking at trials as something to be delivered from, not something to overcome.

This is especially true in the area of healing. You just have to find the generational curse from your ancestors, or stronghold that you’ve given to Satan, and repent of it and voila’ you’re healing is complete. And of course, if you’re not healed, you’re doing something wrong.


842 posted on 05/09/2010 5:58:33 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: IamCenny
1 in 40 people say they have been abducted by aliens or have seen UFOs, that’s a lot of people to tell “you’re wrong” to. Everyone worldwide who has ever encountered one of these “beings” have described the same scenario, the same look to the “beings”, that being oval shaped heads, huge dark eyes, and most say they have had an extreme sense of unease, evil, torment, suffering. How can you just stamp wrong or crazy on thousands of people that have never met, who have all described in detail the same scenario, the world over? I’d say that is some pretty hard evidence, whatever the cause, aliens/demons, these beings are malignant to mankind.

I am an engineer. I believe in God. I do not believe in aliens. If aliens exist in the physical universe, then they can be proven in the physical universe. 1 out of 40 people in the United States is also a member of a stark staring raving cult. So? Does that make cults believeable?

843 posted on 05/09/2010 6:19:50 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: IamCenny
Listen to some of Guy Malone’s thoughts on aliens and bible prophecy, it’s very interesting and up until last night I had heard of him but never listened.

I don't care about whoever Guy Malone thinks that he is. I would prefer evidence.

844 posted on 05/09/2010 6:22:41 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: metmom

As my dissertation committee chair said . . . being a Mormon Bishop . . . as an explanation for why he wasn’t troubled too much by all the rewrites of the Book of Mormon—

that life was SOOOOOOOOOOOO COMPLEX,

just about any cockamaymee explanation would do.

I don’t agree with him theologically.

However, I believe that healing is a complex issue.

I think Pastor Henry Wright is most correct about it.

CURRY BLAKE or is it BLAKE CURRY [followed in the footsteps of John G Lake] asserts that only faith is needed and demonstrates the same. They are kind of opposites and I think both are right, oddly.

Even Kenneth Hagin came up against a case where the woman practiced all Hagin’s stuff fully and faithfully for decades . . . and she still died of cancer or heart trouble. When he questioned God about it, God told him it was none of his business and to not mention it again and to keep on preaching what he preached.

He was at least honest about it. I haven’t heard his disciples being that candid except maybe Kenneth Copeland.


845 posted on 05/09/2010 6:23:18 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Even Kenneth Hagin came up against a case where the woman practiced all Hagin’s stuff fully and faithfully for decades . . . and she still died of cancer or heart trouble. When he questioned God about it, God told him it was none of his business and to not mention it again and to keep on preaching what he preached.

God told Hagin? How? Phone call? Personal visit? Email? This is nuttier than a Mars bar. You keep making assertions like this without a shred of proof. I will give you this: your postings seem like you're doing it with a straight face. May I ask if you actually believe what you're saying?

846 posted on 05/09/2010 6:39:25 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: metmom

I find it amusingly amazing how derisive folks can be amidst or just before asking for something.

Seems about as smart as a dull rock, to me.

I’ve probably done something similar several times in my life, however. I hope I haven’t done it as chronically and compulsively as some hereon seem to.


847 posted on 05/09/2010 6:44:46 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Even Kenneth Hagin came up against a case where the woman practiced all Hagin’s stuff fully and faithfully for decades . . . and she still died of cancer or heart trouble. When he questioned God about it, God told him it was none of his business and to not mention it again and to keep on preaching what he preached.

You know, that's what it's going to get down to ultimately. There are always going to be those who don't fit in with somebody's healing theology.

I understand the point Wright is making and agree with it for the most part, and yet I see a lot of people who aren't healed, too. There's a part of me that takes issue with throwing the blame back on the person who isn't healed. I know too many really godly people who have suffered way too much for that to be the whole answer.

Sometimes I do think that it gets back to God's grace being sufficient and that He has a greater purpose in our illness and suffering. Like is being discussed on that other thread.

848 posted on 05/09/2010 6:47:58 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: mlizzy

You and your fellow parishioners did the righteous thing in calling him out, you didn’t become party to the sin by concealing it. That the specific church decided to forgive and allow the man to stay on was apparently made via an agreed upon decision making process. We are commanded to forgive, and so they did. If the pastor continued to abuse the trust of the parishioners and continued to act in an immoral way, however, after creating such an unseemly situation and causing so much harm, I can only hope and would certainly expect that he was shown the door. Was the Synod brought in at all, or was this handled strictly within the congregation?


849 posted on 05/09/2010 6:51:32 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: metmom

GOOD POINTS.

However, I’ve known a LOT of VERY GODLY PEOPLE

who had a slice of rot to the core in one tiny but to God, very significant area that few other people noticed or at least did not see very accurately or very clearly.

I believe that’s a lot of why some folks aren’t healed. God hsa been putting His finger on that area any they have refused to budge or are somehow blinded by satan to the realities involved.

Of course there ARE ancestral demons and other ancestral spiritual stuff that influences our very DNA. It’s been shown that even what we think, dwell on effects our DNA.

We see bitterness on here quite frequently. Yet when confronted, the folks involved are loathe to admit it. Some likely are blind to their own bitterness.

Resentments abound hidden under all manner of charade, fluff, denial and whitewash, justifications galore etc.


850 posted on 05/09/2010 6:53:49 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Mad Dawg

The apparent systematic and secretive nature of the whole thing, across continents with your church, is what creates so much alarm, Mad Dawg. I, myself, have some degree of sympathy with the way your church has been targeted, I recall quite clearly the disgusting and blasphemous attacks by ACT UP!, slinging condoms and chanting filth after breaking in during mass. I’ve long felt that your seminaries were deliberately infiltrated.

I also think nearly every large Protestant denomination has been targeted and infiltrated. But, we separate ourselves from these just as we separated ourselves from Catholicism oh so many centuries ago. We join another congregation, oftentimes another denomination and perhaps even none at all, and feel no loss other than perhaps historical or family associations. The Church to us is the body of believers, and where ever we’re gathered in His name is the Church. You don’t do this, other than perhaps seeking out a more conservative parish. That’s just the way it is.

What anger I have comes from the rationalizations and excuses that otherwise well-meaning Catholics put forth, in a misguided belief that they are protecting their church. Wrong is wrong, remove it from among yourselves. I know this, you know this. Every Christian does, or should. That’s why it keeps getting dredged back up. I hope for your sake and mine, that your church deals with the problem thoroughly and effectively. It’s doing untold harm to efforts of longstanding to bring souls to salvation.

I’ll say the same for the Episcopal Church, with allowing open homosexuals into the pulpit, as well as any other Protestant denomination permitting or considering anything similar. No good will come of it from a Christian perspective, and anyone who is even a casual student of the Bible knows this. Minister to them, certainly. They’re children of God and are sinners, as we all are sinners. Declaring your sin a lifestyle or an identity and then proceeding to deny that it’s sin at all, is not Christian at all, though, and never will be, no matter how long or how loudly they bellow about it.


851 posted on 05/09/2010 7:15:27 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Mad Dawg; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...

Have started listening to this video . . . by a Roman Catholic on Fatima secrets etc.

It’s a good one:

http://www.fatimachallenge.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=67:is-there-a-missing-text-of-the-third-secret&catid=25&Itemid=15


852 posted on 05/09/2010 7:29:31 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Have started listening to this video . . . by a Roman Catholic on Fatima secrets etc.

Thx.

853 posted on 05/09/2010 7:35:41 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: betty boop
Thank you oh so very much for your beautiful essay-post, dearest sister in Christ!

And it may well be so; that we were made, not for this world, but for the world to come.

Indeed.

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. - Revelation 21:1

So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit. – I Corinthians 15:42-45

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us. – Romans 8:15-17

And I very strongly agree that God prepared the world for the Gospel of Jesus Christ and often point to Alexander the Great's normalizing the Greek language throughout the civilized world.

Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. - Einstein

Also when I meditate on this phrase in the 23rd Psalm ...

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. - Psalms 23:4

I remember that we Christians need never fear evil because God is with us. Indeed, we needn't fear anything man can do to us - including physical death.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. – Matthew 10:28

The LORD [is] my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD [is] the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? - Psalms 27:1

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. – Colossians 3:3

God's Name is I AM!

854 posted on 05/09/2010 9:35:02 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: hosepipe
Thank you so very much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!


855 posted on 05/09/2010 10:09:17 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: metmom; Quix
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear sister in Christ!

I suspect the reason many people do not see miracles is that they don't a) believe or b) forgive.

Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive [them], and ye shall have [them]. And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. – Mark 11:24-26

God's Name is I AM.

856 posted on 05/09/2010 10:19:37 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix
Have started listening to this video . . . by a Roman Catholic on Fatima secrets etc.

Watched the video, if this guy is right, the Vatican is still running around in circles on Fatima and continuing to cover up.
Probably would be considered a Catholic in name only by most, but have found in the last few years that I'm the most comfortable in church when I'm in it by myself, no priest, no crowds, no rituals, no symbolism, just me praying to the Lord, giving thanks and asking for guidance.

857 posted on 05/09/2010 10:26:09 PM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: MarkBsnr

You prefer evidence that aliens are demons? There is plenty of documented UFO sightings, and people that have claimed to be abducted by aliens, some who have DURING the abduction claimed that praying to Jesus, or asking for Jesus, or saying the name Jesus has promptly stopped the abduction, I don’t know how clear I can make this to you. I believe Jesus died for my sins, and rose 3 days later. Being a person of faith, you require hard evidence to believe in something?


858 posted on 05/09/2010 11:07:42 PM PDT by IamCenny
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To: MarkBsnr

I’m saying that there are not aliens, but demons. Interfering with the world, deceiving many souls, why couldn’t demons visit the earthly plane and deceive the eyes of men? I don’t understand, you believe in God, but refute that “aliens/UFO’s/abductions could be demonic” in presence.


859 posted on 05/09/2010 11:12:37 PM PDT by IamCenny
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To: Quix

It’s almost maddening , isn’t it?


860 posted on 05/09/2010 11:23:27 PM PDT by IamCenny
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