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Things Mormon women can do to reduce stress
Mormon Times ^ | May 5, 2010 | Sharon Haddock

Posted on 05/05/2010 8:06:26 PM PDT by Colofornian

PROVO, Utah -- The over-scheduled, over-involved and over-whelmed Mormon woman needs to do two things to de-stress, said two speakers at the recent Women's Conference at BYU: simply life and ask for God's help. "God placed us here to succeed," Sarah Westerberg said. "But mortality will cause stress. It's a natural byproduct."

SNIP

Her advice included...letting go of what cannot be controlled and ridding life of perfectionism.

She suggested adding two words to a working vocabulary: "Who cares?"

SNIP

(Excerpt) Read more at mormontimes.com ...


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From the article: The over-scheduled, over-involved and over-whelmed Mormon woman...

I'd say that the key source of the above is spiritually rooted.

Hence, that's why the ministry, Truth in Love ministry to Mormons, based in Idaho, established late last year a billboard campaign aimed at Lds women.

See these three articles:

Religion: Group targets LDS women
Source: Rexburg Standard Journal, Dec. 2, 2009

Local billboards target Mormon doctrine

Source: Idaho State Journal, Jan. 9, 2010

Nampa pastor leads drive to convert Mormons
Source: Idaho Statesman, Dec. 27, 2009

1 posted on 05/05/2010 8:06:26 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

**must not make fun**

**Must not tell lame joke**


2 posted on 05/05/2010 8:11:22 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: Colofornian

Tips on reducing stress does not belong in the “Religion” forum, no matter how desperate you are to stretch it into a controversy.


3 posted on 05/05/2010 8:12:13 PM PDT by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: 999replies

If it bothers you don’t press the everything button. Just go to “news”.


4 posted on 05/05/2010 8:17:16 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: Colofornian

With simple frocks and elaborate hairstyles reflecting femininity carried as a burden, fundamentalist Mormon women face the media earlier this month.


5 posted on 05/05/2010 8:18:27 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: 999replies

The article is appropriate for the Religion Forum.


6 posted on 05/05/2010 8:19:12 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Colofornian

When my aunt (LDS) was stressed she told me that she looked around and realized that when the kids were grown they would not thank her for a clean house but because she took them to the park. I never forgot that. It was good advice. (Ok, she hired a cleaning crew that came every other day but she was right in theory)


7 posted on 05/05/2010 8:20:31 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: svcw
Or don't be surprised if an article that mentions the word God appears in the “religion” forum...

Sheesh...

8 posted on 05/05/2010 8:21:48 PM PDT by ejonesie22 ( Tagline being renovated under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act...)
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To: GeronL

All what they said and a sip of beer.


9 posted on 05/05/2010 8:23:06 PM PDT by cizinec
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To: ejonesie22

Sometimes one just needs a stiff drink and a good laugh.


10 posted on 05/05/2010 8:23:40 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: 999replies; Religion Moderator
999rep’s application for n00b rule-maker returned unopened.

Oh well.

11 posted on 05/05/2010 8:30:19 PM PDT by delacoert
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To: Colofornian
They call this life stressful? Just wait until the hereafter and they have to produce babies by the billions for all eternity for their god-husband! They think they aren't appreciated now? Just wait until the hereafter when they are never even mentioned again. Notice how their is no "heavenly mother" even hinted at in the Bible or even the Book of Mormon?

Endless sex and babies and not even a blip in the credits that roll at the end of the movie. Get used to it LDS ladies.
12 posted on 05/05/2010 8:32:28 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: GeronL; Colofornian

LOL. Bit of a stretch for me on this one.

Mormon Woman stress? Could just as easily be Baptist woman stress....


13 posted on 05/05/2010 8:34:05 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

I was going to say something along the lines of one more wife would allow them to take entire days off in shifts.


14 posted on 05/05/2010 8:35:42 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: delacoert; 999replies
LOL, forgot about that. Thought he was one post wonder

At least you are not obnoxious like so many other people -

you are obnoxious in a different and worse way!

 

 


15 posted on 05/05/2010 8:50:35 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: 999replies
Tips on reducing stress does not belong in the “Religion” forum, no matter how desperate you are to stretch it into a controversy.

This was a report on a talk at an LDS Women's Conference held at a private Mormon religious campus (BYU).

I'd expect a confession from you that you're wrong (again), except I know how loud the "crickets" are in your area.

16 posted on 05/05/2010 9:00:02 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

DRTTV thread—no thanks.


17 posted on 05/05/2010 9:08:36 PM PDT by ComeUpHigher
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To: JoeProBono

Is the different shades of blue for 1st wife, 2nd wife, 3rd wife?


18 posted on 05/05/2010 9:15:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: All
What were "smoke signals" "...at the [Spring] BYU Women's Conference" indicative that Lds women are under duress, distress and stress?

Well according to the April 28, 2010 Mormon Times: Brownies a favorite at Women's Conference :

"And the BYU brownie is apparently the favorite way to satiate that hunger. More than 12,300 brownies -- mint, regular, with or without nuts -- were sold during the two-day conference in 2009. During a typical week on campus during the semester, only 1,705 of them are bought. And during the five-day Education Week in the fall for 2009, there were 8,178 brownies sold. "Traditionally, the women's conference food is typified by the brownie," said Dean Wright, director of dining for BYU, who provided the statistics to Mormon Times.

(Yeah, I'd say; so, a typical week with hungry male students & young coeds yields 1,705 brownie purchases (246 a day). The women come on campus and the average purchase skyrockets to 6,150 per day almost a 2500% increase!)

And if you think it stopped at brownies: "Other favorites include ice cream, chocolate milk (which is my grandmother's favorite) and doughnuts, but none of those beat out the Education Week totals for those same treats. Nearly 6,300 doughnuts are sold on an average week, while 732 are sold during Women's Conference and 2,901 during Education Week last year."

Well, all I can say that they do know how to make good doughnuts in Utah! (Ya gotta give that to 'em)

But where does the "Word of Wisdom" come in on Brownies & Doughnuts, again?

19 posted on 05/05/2010 9:21:16 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

.... So, Colofornian ...when you apostasized from the LDS Church did you get a 10% raise and an extra day off each week?


20 posted on 05/05/2010 9:51:39 PM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: All; Secret Agent Man; ComeUpHigher; Vendome; svcw; ejonesie22; GeronL; GLDNGUN; delacoert; ...
From the article: ...at the recent Women's Conference at BYU...

Let me guess...it was this conference that dumped Mitt Romney's book being #2 in the Deseret Book publisher list on April 21 and replaced it with the book, Women of the Book of Mormon a week later -- a book Deseret Book publishing bills as offering "new insights into the temporal and spiritual lives of our ancient sisters."

(Better believe they are "new"!!!)

Why is that? Well, to learn why, ya need to play, Book of Mormon Jeopardy on Women

Book of Mormon Jeopardy on Women

Time to hit the Jeopardy category of “Women in the Book of Mormon.” (For those who don't know "Jeopardy," the answer comes first)
Answer: 2%
Question: What % of the 250 or so characters in the Book of Mormon are female?

Answer: Once
Question: How many times are “sisters” even referenced in the Book of Mormon? [The only reference I've found is 2 Nephi 5:6 – and even then these sisters of Nephi are unnumbered & unnamed]

Answer: Sarai
Question: Who's the only wife mentioned by name in the Book of Mormon?

Answer: Abish
Question: Who's the only daughter mentioned by name in the Book of Mormon?

Answer: Don't Exist
Question: Who are the sisters mentioned by name in the Book of Mormon?

Now that we know the BoM marginalizes women, how can we tell if it trivializes women, too?

(1) Leading off the lineup of Mormon women, we have the unnamed daughter of Jared (Ether 8:8-12). What goes through her brain? Why she wants to dance before a man so that she'll seduce him into marrying him; then this household can properly commit patricide. Nice.

(2) There's an unnamed Lamanite queen in Alma 47:35. She's easy to defraud.

(3) There's another unnamed Lamanite queen in Alma 22:19-24. Let's see. This queen sees Aaron & servants @ foot of a dead king's bed. She jumps to wrongful conclusions. Then in all her decisiveness, she's going to massacre them for guilt-by-association. Then she started to back down from her heavy-handed executive authority. Why? Not because of justice, but because of fear – her servants were fearful. So she was, too (v. 21). Aaron, seeing that this woman was no match for kingdom authority, elected, instead to do the “easy thing.” And what was the easy thing in comparison to trying to deal with this queen? Why, he raised the king back from the dead (vv. 22-23).

(4) And since the book of Alma in the Book of Mormon seems to carry the predominant mention of women on behalf of the entire book, how do the earlier chapters introduce such women?
Here, read it yourself:
“And now, may the peace of God rest upon you, and upon your houses and lands, and upon your flocks and herds, and
[“and” = covering things you haven't yet covered...so what you seen the next line applies to what follows -- not what was preceding]
and all that you POSSESS, your women and your children,
according to your faith and good works,
from this time forth AND FOREVER
And thus I have spoken. Amen. (Alma 7:27)

(Well, last time I looked, forever meant forever)

Other than that, when women are mentioned in the Book of Mormon, they are good for toiling, spinning, working (Mosiah 10:5; Hel. 6:13) and having kids (1 Nephi 17:1), which the prestigious clans of the Book of Mormon were good at having by gobs of millions...supposedly.

And even when we get to the grandest of stories about women yanked out of the Bible, even Joseph can't get it quite exact. He references an unnamed virgin in 1 Nephi 11:18 -- who Smith identified as "the mother of God." Now the RC among us might say, "So?"

Well, the Book of Mormon "editors"...
...those who made almost 4,000 changes from the original Book of Mormon...
...(who'd have thunk that "the most correct book on earth" according to the Mormon angel would have need "editors"?)...
...then inserted the words "the Son of" into the text. Hmm. Those words -- were they there in the original gold inscribed text? Why did they add them? Why isn't there at least a footnote at the bottom of the Book of Mormon page saying, "Hey, we kind of added to the text here. Just wanted to let ya know."

21 posted on 05/05/2010 9:54:47 PM PDT by Colofornian (Hmmm...no wonder Mormon women don't find female-oriented inspiration in the Book of Mormon!)
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To: teppe
.... So, Colofornian ...when you apostasized from the LDS Church did you get a 10% raise and an extra day off each week?

(Teppe, poor assumption...though I am a descendent of an Lds polygamist leader in the church, I was NEVER a Mormon member...but what does that matter? Lds accuse ALL Christians of being "apostates" and descendents of "apostates" -- just like the Muslims accuse us of being "infidels"...[note the company you keep...Muslims say an "angel" appeared to Muhammad...and that Muhammad was even MORE like Joseph Smith's line of a poor, uneducated country boy...I mean Muhammad was illiterate!!!]

So, I appreciate the Mormon "apostate" accusation "show" you put on for all readers, lurkers, and FReepers! (I couldn't have scheduled a more timely appearance & comments:) So thanks!

22 posted on 05/05/2010 10:00:11 PM PDT by Colofornian (Hmmm...no wonder Mormon women don't find female-oriented inspiration in the Book of Mormon!)
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To: Colofornian

bump


23 posted on 05/05/2010 10:02:30 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: Colofornian

I prefer a woman of Proverbs 31 who is self determined and productive.

She also seems to be the boss of the house.

10Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.

11The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.

12She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.

13She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.

14She is like the merchants’ ships; she bringeth her food from afar.

15She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.

16She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.

17She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.

18She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.

19She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.

20She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.

21She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.

22She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.

23Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.

24She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.

25Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.

26She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.

27She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.

28Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.

29Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.

30Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.

31Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.


24 posted on 05/05/2010 10:23:02 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Colofornian

My apologies, at my poor choice of a joke. It was my understanding that much of your motivation for bringing up irrelevant news stories, such as the one in the beginning of this thread, was fueled by a personal feud from being a previous member.

But as I understand it .... you feel angry because I poked fun at you in a critisizing way??? Isn’t that pretty much what you were doing when you posted the leading article??

So, in otherwords ... it’s alright for you to attack other religous peoples motives for your entertainment ..... but it’s not OK for them to do that to you??

hmmm ......

Maybe if you don


25 posted on 05/05/2010 10:26:44 PM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Nope. Bad detergent and age of fabric.


26 posted on 05/05/2010 10:30:44 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: Colofornian

...one other thought, if your “polygamist” ancestor is so odious to you .... than why would you belong to a religion which worships the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (two of the three are known polygamists).

Also, your comments were disingenuous, please show me where the LDS church accuses ALL Christians of being apostates? Did I miss that in Sunday School class?


27 posted on 05/05/2010 10:46:14 PM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: teppe
So I can't quite tell where you're coming from... is this supposed to be a witty insult? ...a Morman-lingoed threat? ...subliminal intimidation maybe?

Whatever it is you were trying to say, you've left a permanent impression.

 

 

 

 

  Like that left by a 300 lb. woman after sitting an old leather couch.

28 posted on 05/05/2010 10:52:28 PM PDT by delacoert
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To: GeronL

Uhm, take a second husband....?


29 posted on 05/05/2010 11:23:16 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Religion Moderator

It might be appropriate, but given the title wouldn’t it be better if it were designated a “mormon caucus” thread?


30 posted on 05/06/2010 2:54:46 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Colofornian; restornu

Restornu: this thread is for YOU!


31 posted on 05/06/2010 3:41:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 999replies
Tips on reducing stress does not belong in the “Religion” forum, no matter how desperate you are to stretch it into a controversy.

Not even THIS one??


Things Mormon women can do to reduce stress

32 posted on 05/06/2010 3:45:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw; Utah Binger

UB: can we get an AMEN?


33 posted on 05/06/2010 3:46:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vendome
Could just as easily be Baptist woman stress....

True; but I doubt if THAT article would make it into the MORMONtimes!

34 posted on 05/06/2010 3:47:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Is the different shades of blue for 1st wife, 2nd wife, 3rd wife?

Or maybe it represents certain, ahem, talents.

35 posted on 05/06/2010 3:49:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

But where does the "Word of Wisdom" come in on Brownies & Doughnuts, again?

 

Get it straight from the horses, ahem, mouth:
 

 
 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 89
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327–329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.
 
1–9, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 10–17, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 18–21, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.
 
  1 A aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—
  2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—
  3 Given for a principle with apromise, adapted to the capacity of the bweak and the weakest of all csaints, who are or can be called saints.
  4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of bconspiring men in the last days, I have cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—
  5 That inasmuch as any man adrinketh bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
  6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
  7 And, again, astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
  8 And again, tobacco is not for the abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
  9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
  10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—
  11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with aprudence and bthanksgiving.
  12 Yea, aflesh also of bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used csparingly;
  13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or bfamine.
  14 All agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
  15 And athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.
  16 All grain is good for the afood of man; as also the bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—
  17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.
  18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ashall receive bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;
  19 And shall afind bwisdom and great ctreasures of dknowledge, even hidden treasures;
  20 And shall arun and not be bweary, and shall walk and not faint.
  21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the adestroying angel shall bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.
 

 
(Your interpretation may vary.  As it sure seems to among MORMONs!)

36 posted on 05/06/2010 4:04:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
 
(Well, last time I looked, forever meant forever)
 
 
Silly ANTI!
 
You must have it confused with EVERLASTING!)

37 posted on 05/06/2010 4:08:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

“God placed us here to succeed,”
__________________________________________

If the mormon god was really that interested in our success...

then why didnt he just leave us where we were successful ???


38 posted on 05/06/2010 4:09:11 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Elsie

WHOOPS

I committed the ultimate thread hijack...

Interupting a loverly Elsiethon..

I didnt look before I typed...

Oh noez...

:


39 posted on 05/06/2010 4:12:39 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: teppe
It was my understanding that much of your motivation for bringing up irrelevant news stories, such as the one in the beginning of this thread, was fueled by a personal feud from being a previous member.

Irrelevant?

Tell that to the Utah PROZAC distributor!

40 posted on 05/06/2010 4:13:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
 
Also, your comments were disingenuous, please show me where the LDS church accuses ALL Christians of being apostates? Did I miss that in Sunday School class?

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 
 
And, continuing thru the years, the high ranking leaders of that Organization have done the same!
 
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
 

 
Only just lately have the MORMONs seem to WANT be called Christians now.
 
Can't find ANYTHING in their doctrine that has changed to warrent this attitude shift; however.

41 posted on 05/06/2010 4:15:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

But where does the “Word of Wisdom” come in on Brownies & Doughnuts, again?
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Silly Gentile-infidel...

It’s in our Muffins...

MormonDudee (MormonDude’s lil sis)(When would you like two nice young mormon missionaries on bikes with ugly ties to visit you and explain Joseph Smith’s recipe for everlasting forever ???)


42 posted on 05/06/2010 4:16:53 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: xzins
It might be appropriate, but given the title wouldn’t it be better if it were designated a “mormon caucus” thread?

Ossibly; but then it would NOT have the advantage of seeing my witty and thought-provoking comments!

43 posted on 05/06/2010 4:17:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana

“Come on in boys; the waters fine!”

—Delmar


44 posted on 05/06/2010 4:19:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Another 6 months on your mission!

(For the sin of NOT posting an appropriate picture!!!)


45 posted on 05/06/2010 4:20:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana

[Why do MORMON bikes wear ties?]


46 posted on 05/06/2010 4:20:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

The WOMAN in my life uses coffee and wine.

AMEN!


47 posted on 05/06/2010 4:23:05 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, 20 Miles North of Fredonia Arizona)
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To: Utah Binger

But how about the WOMEN in a feller’s life in Orderville?


48 posted on 05/06/2010 4:25:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
I wonder if the got to keep their gold fillings....
49 posted on 05/06/2010 4:30:55 AM PDT by ejonesie22 ( Tagline being renovated under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act...)
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To: Elsie

I’ll get my water wings

:)


50 posted on 05/06/2010 4:37:52 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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