Skip to comments.My Journey out of the Lefebvre Schism - All Tradition Leads to Rome
Posted on 05/08/2010 6:04:09 AM PDT by GonzoII
If youre a Catholic whos faithful to the Churchs teaching Magisterium, youve probably met up with followers of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvres 1988 schism, known as the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX). Theyre filled with devotion to the Blessed Mother, extremely conservative with regard to most moral issues afflicting the Western world today, and quite reverent before the Blessed Sacrament during their old Latin liturgies. In short, on the surface, adherents to Archbishop Lefebvres schism appear to be devout Catholics.
Its easy to sympathize with these folks since most of them have joined the SSPX after being scandalized by contemporary abuses in doctrine and liturgy in some of our Catholic churches in North America. In fact, it was precisely because of such sympathies, as well as the beauty of the Tridentine Mass, that I found myself frequenting SSPX chapels about eight years ago. Like most SSPX adherents, at the time I thought that my separation from Rome was merely temporary.
I failed to realize, however, that at the root of every schism, as the present Code of Canon Law explains, is the withdrawal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or from communion with the members of the Church subject to him (Can. 751). Such ruptures from communion with the Church, the Catechism of the Catholic Church points out, wound the unity of Christs Body (CCC 817).
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“”Envoy’s “Canon Law 101”
Some useful terms
Anathema: A formal condemnation by the Church of a certain theological position that is contrary to Catholic faith and morals.
Canon law: The implementation and interpretation of law within the Church. This allows the Church to function smoothly in carrying out her work of saving souls.
Censure: Another name for a medicinal penalty, or a penalty intended to help the offender repent and return to the heart of the Church. The Code of Canon Law presently contains three censures: suspension, interdict, and excommunication.
CIEL: French acronym for the International Center of Liturgical Study, ciel is also the French word for heaven. One of the most dynamic lay initiatives to arise from the Ecclesia Dei movement, CIEL is a group of young intellectuals seeking to promote non-polemical academic dialogue on the 1962 liturgy, while strengthening the Ecclesia Dei movements foundation in the Second Vatican Council, fidelity to the Holy See and diocesan bishops, and communion with the rest of the Church. In October 2000, CIEL launched an official United States delegation.
Code of Canon Law: A legal compilation of seven books that contain the basic laws of the Latin Church. (Eastern Catholics have their own Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches.) The seven books are as follows: General Norms; People of God; The Teaching Office of the Church; The Sanctifying Office of the Church; Temporal Goods; Penal Law; and Procedural Law.
Custom: A common practice arising within a church community that through constant repetition becomes the law within that community, even if the custom is not written down anywhere. Canon law holds that custom is the best interpreter of the law. For example, it is the custom in some parishes to kneel for consecration before the Sanctus, whereas it is the custom in other parishes to kneel after the Sanctus.
Discipline of the faith: A practice of the faith that is not of itself doctrinal, but is meant to help us observe the Churchs teaching. In other words, it is something the Church asks us to do in order to help us focus on Gods commandments.
Declare sentence: A public declaration by the competent Church authority that someone has incurred an automatic penalty according to canon law. This is different from an imposed penalty, in which a judge imposes a penalty after a Church trial.
Ecclesia Dei Adflicta: Pope John Paul IIs 1988 apostolic constitution declaring Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX excommunicated. In order to help reconcile the traditionalists with the Church, this document also expands permission for bishops to allow the Tridentine Mass in their diocese.
Ecclesia Dei movement: A movement in full communion with the Roman Pontiff and the Catholic Church that adheres to the 1962 liturgical Missal according to the special permission granted by Pope John II in his 1988 Apostolic Constitution Ecclesia Dei Adflicta.
Episcopal vaganti: A wandering bishop not recognized by the Church, or a bishop who claims an official title not recognized by the Church.
Excommunication: The Churchs highest censure or medicinal penalty, in which the offender is completely cut off from the daily life of the Church, including sacraments.
Excommunication ferendae sententiae: An excommunication imposed as the result of a judgment of a church tribunal.
Excommunication latae sententiae: reserved to the Apostolic See: An automatic excommunication (latae sententiae) that only the Roman Pontiff and his Roman Congregations can remove (thus reserved to the Apostolic See).
Expiatory penalty: A penalty imposed as a penance, in order to help the offender repair the damage he has done. For example, a Catholic doctor who has repented of the crime of abortion, and had his excommunication removed by the diocesan bishop, may be asked to read Pope Paul VIs papal encyclical Humanae Vitae as an expiatory penalty.
Faculty: The power and permission from the Church to carry out certain acts, such as hearing confessions.
Ferendae sententiae: A penalty imposed after a Church trial in which the offender has been judged guilty of some crime.
General Norms: The first book of the Code of Canon Law, which contains all the basic legal principles through which the rest of canon law is interpreted. For example, canon 18 is a general norm stating that in the interpretation of canon law, those laws that give us favors are to include as many cases as possible, whereas laws that punish us are to include as few cases as possible.
Indult Mass: A Mass offered according to the 1962 Liturgical Missal with the permission of the legitimate diocesan bishop by a priest in full communion with Rome.
Jurisdiction: The power to carry out certain acts among a portion of Christs faithful. For example, a priest has the jurisdiction to marry people in his parish, but needs the permission of the pastor in a parish across town before marrying people in that parish.
Latae sententiae: An automatic penalty imposed by virtue of the law. For example, a Catholic doctor who performs an abortion is excommunicated latae sententiae under canon law. So long as it is publicly proven he performed an abortion and has not repented, a bishop can simply declare the sentence of excommunication without going through the process of a Church trial.
Latin Church sui iuris: Formerly known as Latin Rite Catholics, the Latin Church sui iuris is composed of those Catholics who descend from the Catholic Church in the West, as opposed to the Christian East. For example, a Melkite Catholic would belong to the Melkite Church sui iuris. The Roman Catholic Church is composed of twenty-two Churches sui iuris.
Legislate: To pass a law (lex) with the intention of binding the faithful to that law.
Licit/illicit status: The lawfulness or unlawfulness of a certain act that may or may not affect the validity of that act. For example, an SSPX priest says Mass illicitly because, according to the Catholic Church, it is unlawful for him to say Mass. However, his Mass is still valid because the bread and wine are transubstantiated into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ when he says the words of consecration.
Medicinal penalty: A penalty not so much intended to punish the offender as to force him to repent and be restored to the Church. For example, a Catholic doctor who commits an abortion is excommunicated in order to force him to repent of his crime. Once he is truly repentant, he has the right to have the excommunication removed and to receive an expiatory penalty.
Mere ecclesiastical law: A law of the Church that is only disciplinary in nature and thus can be changed or dispensed from to meet the needs of the Church. For example, the law that a Catholic cannot marry a catechumen is merely an ecclesiastical law. The bishop can dispense from this law for a good reason.
Mystici Corporis: Pope Pius XIIs papal encyclical on the Church as the Mystical Body of Christ.
Novus Ordo Missae: The liturgical missal revised by Pope Paul VI after the Second Vatican Council, which is presently used in the Latin Church sui iuris.
Papal mandate: The approval given by the Roman Pontiff to a bishop in order to licitly consecrate another bishop.
Penalty: A punishment given by the legitimate Church authority to someone who acts contrary to canon law.
Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP): A society of apostolic life, similar to a religious order, composed of priests who have been entrusted by Pope John Paul II with the apostolate of ministering the sacraments to Catholics according to the 1962 liturgical missal. It is the largest and best-known priestly institute to arise out of the Ecclesia Dei movement.
Promulgate: To put forward a new law or teaching within the Church.
Quo Primum Tempore: St. Pius Vs papal bull codifying the Latin liturgy around the time of the Council of Trent.
Roman Pontiff: The bishop of Rome, who occupies the see founded by St. Peter and St. Paul, and who succeeds St. Peter as visible head of the Church. You mean the Pope? Not necessarily, because St. Peter founded the See of Antioch before coming to Rome, and thus traditionally, some of the Eastern Patriarchs also legitimately claim the title Pope. However, there is only one Roman Pontiff in the Church at any given time.
Schism: To break communion with or refuse to subject oneself to the Roman Pontiff or the Church in communion with him.
Sedevacantist: One who believes the Chair of Peter has been empty (sede vacante) since at least the time of the Second Vatican Council. Most sedevacantists, in fact, believe the last valid pope was Pius XII.
Society of St. John (SSJ): A society of apostolic life founded in the Diocese of Scranton, Pennsylvania, with the aspiration of restoring Catholic culture in secular society. Along with the FSSP, the SSJ is one of the most popular institutes of consecrated life working within the Ecclesia Dei movement in North America.
Society of St. Pius X (SSPX): The society of priests and seminarians founded by Archbishop Lefebvre to preserve the pre-Vatican II liturgy. Soon thereafter, they came to reject the Second Vatican Council. In 1988, the SSPX followed Lefebvre into schism when he consecrated four SSPX priests as bishops without Romes approval.
State of necessity: An emergency situation in which canon law no longer applies because of a greater need for the good of souls. For example, because of Communist persecution in China, a bishop there can ordain a seminarian to the priesthood without requiring that he first finish all his seminary studies.
Subjection to the Roman Pontiff: To submit oneself in obedience to the teaching and discipline of the Pope in Rome.
Supplied jurisdiction: An emergency or unknown situation in which the Church provides jurisdiction in a certain case that is otherwise lacking. For example, a newly ordained priest lacks the faculty to hear confessions because he hasnt passed his jurisdiction exam yet. Suppose that on his way to his jurisdiction exam he comes across a car accident in which a Catholic is seriously injured. The Church would supply this newly ordained priest with jurisdiction to hear the dying Catholics confession.
Supreme Legislator: The Roman Pontiff when hes using his authority to legislate or interpret canon law.
Suspension: A censure of a cleric in which his rights, obligations and faculties arising from holy orders are removed. For example, a suspended priest is no longer permitted to celebrate Mass or hear confessions.
Tradition: The deposit of faith left by Christ and His apostles, which has been passed down to us through the Church, whose job it is to mediate and interpret for the faithful.
Traditional Mass: A Mass offered according to the 1962 liturgical missal, the last liturgical missal before the reforms of Pope Paul VI.
Traditionalist movement: A movement seeking to preserve, and in some cases completely restore, the Tridentine Mass within the Latin Church sui iuris. It is divided into various camps, both inside and outside the Catholic Church.
Tridentine Mass: Another commonly used name for the 1962 Missal which, apart from some minor changes, closely resembles the liturgical missal codified by Pope St. Pius V around the time of the Council of Trent in the sixteenth century.
Valid/invalid status: Validity determines the effectiveness of the act one is attempting to carry out, regardless of whether such an act is licit or illicit (canonically legal or illegal). For example, weve already noted that a Mass is valid when said by an SSPX priest, although illicit. However, if a layman were to dress up as a priest and attempt to celebrate Mass in public, such a Mass would be not only illicit, but invalid as well it would lack the effects of a true Mass. This is because a non-ordained person cannot transubstantiate the bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ.””
>>Nevertheless, within the very text of Quo Primum Tempore stood a clause by St. Pius V granting an exception to the declaration: All priests and bishops who said Mass using liturgical missals more than two hundred years old were not obliged to use this codified version of the Roman Missal.<<
Whereas, Vatican II FORBADE the use of the Roman Missal in use since Pope St. Pius V. So, either Pope St. Pius V was correct and “revised” the liturgy - itself, a false claim because of abuses that had arisen in the liturgy at the time, which lead to Quo Primum in the first place - OR Vatican II was correct in forbidding the original missal.
I do not defend the SSPX, having had more than my share of problems with them. However, the defense of tradition and clear, consistent teachings are as important as defense of the republic.
“Whereas, Vatican II FORBADE the use of the Roman Missal in use since Pope St. Pius V.”
It did? In what VAtican II document do you find that?
“So, either Pope St. Pius V was correct and revised the liturgy - itself, a false claim because of abuses that had arisen in the liturgy at the time, which lead to Quo Primum in the first place - OR Vatican II was correct in forbidding the original missal.”
When and in what document did Vatican II forbid the old Mass?
“I do not defend the SSPX, having had more than my share of problems with them. However, the defense of tradition and clear, consistent teachings are as important as defense of the republic.”
Actually much more so.
>>When and in what document did Vatican II forbid the old Mass?<<
Specifically, no document does. But, the “Progressives”, in the name of Vatican II, used the Council to accomplish the suppression of the Traditional liturgy.
Much like the “Progressives” today use the Commerce Clause to run rampart over the people.
“Specifically, no document does.”
Okay, so it never happened. That’s what I thought.
Try reading the whole post before choosing what suits you.
You said Vatican II.
I said where and when.
You admitted it never happened.
I read the whole post. Where in it do you contradict what you said in your first sentence of that post? Unless you contradict your first statement, then we’re just stuck with you being plain wrong about Vatican II. I can live with that. How about you?
I’ll try to go really slow and not use big words. No documents specifically said that the Traditional Rite of the Mass was forbidden. The “Progressives” said it did and used the Council for their own agenda. And the Mass was forbidden.
I lived through that. I fought with the hierarchy. I was told it was forbidden and that there was no place in the Catholic Church for people who wanted Tradition to survive. How about you? Did you accept the hope and change - as so many did who bought into 0bambi’s lies?
The destruction of the Catholic Church through Vatican II and the socialism being shoved down our throats today are the same people using the same agenda and the same tactics.
To not see this invites another disaster. Both Catholics and non-Catholics ned to realize this.
“Ill try to go really slow and not use big words.”
And I’ll make it real simple for you: you said Vatican II forbade the old Mass. It didn’t. You were wrong. What part of that do you NOT understand?
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