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Is There Missing Text Of The Third Secret?
The Fatima Challenge ^ | May 8, 2010 | christopher Ferrara

Posted on 05/08/2010 5:58:47 PM PDT by Irisshlass

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1 posted on 05/08/2010 5:58:47 PM PDT by Irisshlass
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2 posted on 05/08/2010 5:59:51 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Irisshlass
Is There a Missing Text of the Third Secret?...

I was surprised to read, just this week, that some Catholics believe that the Vatican didn't reveal the "real" third secret. Seriously, is there a group that actually thinks this?

The Third Secret of Fatima, at vatican.va

3 posted on 05/08/2010 6:06:04 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Pretentiousness is so beneath me.)
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To: Irisshlass; SunkenCiv

If you go to the video you find there are 35 reasons why there is a missing text of the 3rd secret.

Call me crazy but I didn’t know there was even a possibility of a missing secret.


4 posted on 05/08/2010 6:18:06 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Why is that so hard to believe?


5 posted on 05/08/2010 6:28:18 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Alex Murphy

Fatima is one of the most impregnable barriers between me and a return to Rome. Popular Catholic piety (”The Blue Army of our Lady of Fatima”) is indistinguishable from pagan goddess worship. This kind of piety, like Mormon piety, has the whiff of the demonic around it. Cursed are all those who promote other deities.


6 posted on 05/08/2010 6:30:42 PM PDT by RJR_fan (Christians need to reclaim and excel in the genre of science fiction.)
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To: Alex Murphy
“As for the Secret, well I happen to be one of those individuals who thinks we didn’t get the whole thing.”

—Mother Angelica, on her live television show May 16, 2001

7 posted on 05/08/2010 6:36:40 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: wildbill

Watching the presentation, the expert says many in the Catholic church interpret the part of the third secret—given to little Lucia way back in 1917 —that IS revealed, to be the murder of the pope:

It follows:

The “bishop clothed in white, makes his way with great effort toward the cross amid the corpses of those who were martyred. He, too, falls to the ground, apparently dead, under a burst of gunfire.”

Another part of the secret that has been revealed is that the “faith will survive in Portugal”...implying it will ‘not’ elsewhere? Perhaps this is why the Lady appeared to deliver this message in Portugal? ( Assuming one subscribes to the entire premise in the first place? suspend judgement for a moment to consider)

It is eerie stuff, with Christianity under such assault and even the push to “arrest the pope” that is currently in vogue among some extreme atheist and intellectuals ( Hitchens and Dawkins most conspicuously) And again this was communicated in 1917.

Further, according to this very articulate and erudite Mr Ferrera, he ( and a growing number of others) firmly believes—and has forensically investigated in agonizing detail—that there does exist a second part to the message/secret....that is hidden intentionally by the Vatican, made up of 25 lines.

One wonders why it is sealed, hidden, even denied to exist—is it horrible too give exposure—too terrible a fait accomplait?

Mysterious.


8 posted on 05/08/2010 6:47:55 PM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: Irisshlass; narses
Thanks for posting this! (And thanks, Narses, for the ping!)

There has been a great many cover-ups and whitewashings by the Vatican of the true warnings of Our Lady to the shepherd children!

I am not a graphics expert, but I have seen reasons for believing that the Vatican's "Third Secret" was not written in Sister Lucia's handwriting.

I should qualify that as the Sister Lucia who was one of the three shepherd visionaries -- since it may be that the Vatican also created a doppleganger of Sister Lucia to pose for photos with Pope John Paul II and to "verify" the Vatican's "Third Secret."

9 posted on 05/08/2010 6:52:30 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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To: Irisshlass
Related threads:
On the Third Secret, "Fourth Secret(s)", and other visions of Fatima:
Is There Missing Text Of The Third Secret?
'The Fourth Secret of Fatima': Is Pope Benedict's life in danger?
Marian Visionary Warns 2010 Start of Fatima Chastisement (Catholic Caucus ONLY)
Coast-2-Coast AM 10.09.08 Nicholas Gruner -Fatima Secrets-
Fatima: Case Closed
Sister Lucia's Last Moments
Bertone shows original Third Fatima Secret letter on TV
Fatima: The secret's out, despite claims to the contrary
“The Fourth Secret of Fatima”
Two Popes, Two Books -- and Two Major Insights into Famed Third Fatima Secret
The Third Secret of Fatima
Papal Assailant Calls on Vatican to Reveal All Parts of Fatima Secret
Questions ... Regarding The Third Secret of Fatima
Telling Secrets on the Vatican (re: "Third Secret" of Fatima)
Alleged Third Secret Handwriting ... (Fatima, Sister Lucia)
"No More Secrets," Visionary Said in 2001 (Sr. Lucia Confirmed Russia Consecrated to Mary)

10 posted on 05/08/2010 6:53:40 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Pretentiousness is so beneath me.)
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To: cycle of discernment

Perhaps it tells of the AntiChrist or False Prophet rising out of the Catholic church? I’m not Catholic, but hear me out here - if this were a revelation (which God would have allowed as a warning), the Catholic church would probably not want it public lest every pope be seen as an AntiChrist by the faithful.


11 posted on 05/08/2010 7:13:36 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: Blogger

I’m not Catholic, either. I have heard of Fatima before and never knew what it was about. This has peaked my interest as a Christian....and certainly in the times we are in at the moment.


12 posted on 05/08/2010 7:27:33 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Any apparition must be subjected to the Scripture test, so keep that in mind when looking at Marian apparitions.


13 posted on 05/08/2010 7:40:49 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: Blogger

Thanks, blogger.


14 posted on 05/08/2010 7:45:26 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: cycle of discernment

Probably the election of Obama.


15 posted on 05/08/2010 7:52:32 PM PDT by livius
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To: Irisshlass

It’s been my belief, that some of the third secret was revealed only on the papal level, but perhaps I’m wrong. It’s been a long time since I re-read materials and discussed Fatima in depth.


16 posted on 05/08/2010 7:53:00 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Irisshlass
Is There Missing Text Of The Third Secret?
Top Ten Scientific Explantions of Miracle of Sun at Fatima (Catholic Caucus)
Fatima and the Theology of the Body: Part II
Fatima and Akita
Fatima and the Theology of the Body: Part I
The Story of Fatima -- Part 2
The Story of Faitma -- Part 1
Our Lady of Fatima, May 13
Litany of Our Lady of Fatima
Last Fatima child buried in final resting place (Sr. Maria's remains transferred to Fatima)
Sister Lucia, last remaining witness of Fatima apparitions, dies at 97

SISTER LUCIA RIP
LAST OF CHILDREN WHO CLAIMED TO SEE VIRGIN MARY DIES AT 97
Last child who claimed to see "Virgin Mary" dies
Virgin Mary Child Dies (Lucia of Fatima)
Mourning for Fatima seer (Portugal declares day of mourning)
Third Secret of Fatima is not fully revealed.
Sister Lucia, last remaining witness of Fatima apparitions, dies at 97
Sr. Lucia, Fatima, and Islam
Mystery Fatima: Death of Lucia Accents Famed Secrets & Area's Hidden History
"No More Secrets," Visionary Said in 2001 (Sr. Lucia Confirmed Russia Consecrated to Mary)

Papal praise at Sister Lucia's funeral
Our Lady of Fatima, ‘counterrevolutionary’ and ‘ecumenical’
Fatima Statue Due at Vatican to Mark a Fateful Day 25 Years After Attempt on John Paul II's Life
Sister Lucia's Unpublished Writings Released - Visionary Reflects on Marian Apparitions
Sister Lucia's Last Moments
Fatima: Case Closed
Rosary Rallies Planned for Fatima Anniversary [Catholic Caucus]
Giant new church at Fatima shrine
Sister Lucia's Beatification Process to Begin ( Pope Waves 5-Year Waiting Period)
The faithful remember miracle of Fatima, Thousands gather in Washington Twp. on 90th anniversary
Pius XII Saw "Miracle of the Sun" [Catholic Caucus]

17 posted on 05/08/2010 7:57:47 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Blogger

I believe you are mistaken in the authenticity judgments on an apparition.

Do you know what they are? And it’s not necessarily all in Scripture.

Remember the Catholic Church has Holy Tradition — and the Bible even talks about this Holy Tradition of truths being handed down from one person to another by mouth.


18 posted on 05/08/2010 8:03:46 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Irisshlass

This has been debunked by Sr. Lucia herself. Nothing to see.....move on.


19 posted on 05/08/2010 8:13:32 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: RJR_fan

Apparitions are thoroughly investigated by the Vatican before they are approved. And they must cease before any judgment can be made at all.

I see no problem with sorting out all the details. If you are on the inside track here, please let us know. Otherwise, I believe it’s been thoroughly investigated. Have you read any of the books about Fatima?

Do you even know the names of the three children?


20 posted on 05/08/2010 8:18:59 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cycle of discernment

Have you ever seen the artistic depiction of this? I believe it is on one of the Fatima links I posted.


21 posted on 05/08/2010 8:20:22 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Salvation, I said apply the Scripture test. I didn’t say what that test is. The fact you would shove it aside without a definition says a lot.

The apostle John puts it this way:
1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

God’s Word is inspired by Him and will not contradict Him for He will not contradict Himself. So too - anything extra biblical will not contradict Him either. Test it by the Word of God. If it contradicts toss it. Satan is a deceiver. Be not deceived.


22 posted on 05/08/2010 8:26:45 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: Irisshlass

Ping for later.


23 posted on 05/08/2010 8:52:19 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: Alex Murphy
After viewing the video, and having read some other books concerning Pope Paul VI, and Pope John Paul II, as well as knowing that the primary architect of the Novus Order Mass was a mason, I find it quite creditable that Archbishop Bertone has engaged a cover-up of Our Lady's Message at Fatima.
24 posted on 05/08/2010 8:55:49 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: cycle of discernment

I think I might be able to take a guess at why the second part of the secret was not revealed after the date of 1960, which was the year it was supposed to be revealed. It was a warning of punishment coming on the church and the world should the church stray from Jesus. The Pope in l960 refused to read the message. That timing would have happened two or three years prior to Vatican II and probably would have derailed Vatican II as we have known it.

As a teen I remember every previously repressed voice asserting itself; advocating for abortion, sex outside of marriage, divorce, feminist hatred of men and families, communism and even disrespect for or disbelief in Jesus. I was so broken hearted by all of this and although it lessened my attachment to the church, it never touched my relationship and love for Jesus. Vatican II untied the opposite of Jesus within the church and in my opinion, it has run on a rampage ever since.

We see it now resulting in the church suffering scandal (massive child sex and physical abuse) as the visionary warned. We even have wackos whipping up a murderous ideal for the Pope and I have no doubt there are plenty in Europe who would like to murder the people in the Vatican - including the Pope.

Pope John Paul thought or wanted the public to think that the part of the secret he revealed - the murder of the Pope - had been stopped in the attempted murder of himself. But I don’t think that was it. The murder of the Pope will happen in during Revelation’s chaos.


25 posted on 05/08/2010 11:18:43 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Irisshlass

>>> Is There a Missing Text of the Third Secret?.

Yes there is. I decoded it as “DRINK MORE OVALTINE”.


26 posted on 05/09/2010 12:09:23 AM PDT by tlb
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To: SaraJohnson

Makes sense.

You are right, what could be more horrific than the church devouring itself by unleashing the most destructive evil forces—in fact, even nurturing them, within it’s own body?

All the radical ideology and opportunistic political assaults you describe strike at the heart of that which is healthy, solid and sustainable in relationship to God and a functional and spiritually rich, cooperative society.

Yet these forces have not been beaten back, instead they are feeding at the foundation of the church’s very pillars of existence and these infestation has actually been cultivated by those WITHIN—the gates have been flung open to allow the the disease of moral pestilence to infect the host.

I am not Catholic, but a Methodist, however I recognize the essential and precious, irreplaceable value of what the Catholic Church represents symbolically and actively in the Christian world and the world at large.

We humans are imperfect, so our churches will carry imperfections reflected through us, but this is the inevitable reality, our perpetual struggle —our response should not be to slaughter our churches, but work harder to better ourselves—to be honest, to focus, not lose perspective—redeem ourselves and never lose course of the ever-enduring quest in the war of good and evil.

But instead we are allowing the flesh be torn from Christianity before our open eyes. Watching the ravenous tear at our sacred institutions, while we stand by, frozen, allowing media voices (shallow, idiotic and driven by vogue immoralism and delusional “progressivism”) intimidate us into silence while they destroy the fabric of our faith systems.

So yes, this is about as horrific a “secret” that could be..a self-devouring slow death to the most meaningful core of our open, demonstratble connection with Christ, The Church.

It must be said, our personal relationship with God is incorruptible by the hand of man, we are of God, we are God’s children, and there is comfort in this.

However, undoubtably, as the church falls, mankind will fall—turning away from God to a new God—Central Authority.

This in fact, is the virus identified, the killer organism that is calculated-—that is behind all of this.

Remove competition to Central Authority, and there is no greater competition that God in the lives of human beings...therefore it, along with the other core competitive threats, Family and Personal Freedom, must all be reduced or removed.

Faith, family and Freedom are what Barack Obama is neutralizing in his brave new world.

So perhaps the secret warned of this.

Nevertheless, the facts are indisputable. We must not falter, we must stand up to ridicule, to isolation, undauntingly courageous—never tire and ever vigilant.


27 posted on 05/09/2010 4:51:40 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: Salvation
I see no problem with sorting out all the details. If you are on the inside track here, please let us know. Otherwise, I believe it’s been thoroughly investigated ...

An alternate deity, an alternate focus of worship and adoration, an alternate source of revelation, an alternate channel for accessing transcendent reality with our prayers -- and you don't smell a rat?

Perhaps, the issue at stake here is the authority of Rome. This is a loyalty test. Those who humble their necks beneath the yoke of the papacy prove the sincerity of their submission by embracing something they should know to be ridiculous.

I've studied cults for a few decades, now, and what I see in the cult of the BVM is demonic. Tarted up in religious verbiage and weasel words, but ultimately channeling human fealty away from God and towards one who desperately wants it -- and wants it badly enough to accept it while wearing a mask. Then, perhaps "at the hour of our death," when it's too late, the mask slips off ... and the Marian devotee falls into the embrace of that luminous angel, Lucifer.

28 posted on 05/09/2010 4:59:06 AM PDT by RJR_fan (Christians need to reclaim and excel in the genre of science fiction.)
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To: Irisshlass

Sister Lucia had already given an indication for interpreting the third part of the “secret” in a letter to the Holy Father, dated 12 May 1982:

“The third part of the secret refers to Our Lady’s words: ‘If not [Russia] will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated’ (13-VII-1917).

The third part of the secret is a symbolic revelation, referring to this part of the Message, conditioned by whether we accept or not what the Message itself asks of us: ‘If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, etc.’.

Since we did not heed this appeal of the Message, we see that it has been fulfilled, Russia has invaded the world with her errors. And if we have not yet seen the complete fulfilment of the final part of this prophecy, we are going towards it little by little with great strides. If we do not reject the path of sin, hatred, revenge, injustice, violations of the rights of the human person, immorality and violence, etc.

And let us not say that it is God who is punishing us in this way; on the contrary it is people themselves who are preparing their own punishment. In his kindness God warns us and calls us to the right path, while respecting the freedom he has given us; hence people are responsible”.

http://www.ewtn.com/fatima/apparitions/Third_Secret/Fatima.htm


29 posted on 05/09/2010 5:13:57 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: broken_arrow1

It relates to the spread of Communism - the ‘errors’ of Russia. The world breathed a sigh of relief when the Soviet Union collapsed. But now, we see it inside our house (USA). Obama is a harbinger of the cancer among us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LHRzxgAxRo&feature=player_embedded#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGqPo5ofk0s


30 posted on 05/09/2010 5:25:48 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Irisshlass

Seems pretty clear-cut to me. Muslim fanatics will one day attack the Vatican and there’ll be an awful bloody battle.
In 1917 this must have been hard to take literally, but these days it doesn’t feel “symbolic” at all.


31 posted on 05/09/2010 5:26:22 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: Irisshlass

Look at the Episcopal Church, if you “lived through” what has happened to it ... this is not so far fetched. FROM MY point of view, it destroyed itself and tried to take me down too. I left.


32 posted on 05/09/2010 5:55:43 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (http://www.thepatriotsflag.com - The Patriot's Flag)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

A CALL OF CHRISTIAN CONSCIENCE

Christians, when they have lived up to the highest ideals of their faith, have defended the weak and vulnerable and worked tirelessly to protect and strengthen vital institutions of civil society, beginning with the family. It was in this tradition that a group of prominent Christian clergy, ministry leaders, and scholars released the Manhattan Declaration on November 20, 2009 at a press conference in Washington, DC. The 4,700-word declaration speaks in defense of the sanctity of life, traditional marriage, and religious liberty. It issues a clarion call to Christians to adhere firmly to their convictions in these three areas.

http://manhattandeclaration.org/home.aspx


33 posted on 05/09/2010 6:28:31 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Robe

later


34 posted on 05/09/2010 6:54:16 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Salvation

Thank-you for all the links.


35 posted on 05/09/2010 11:36:19 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: SumProVita

Sr. Lucia said there is no missing text?


36 posted on 05/09/2010 11:37:30 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Blogger

Fatima has already been tested.


37 posted on 05/09/2010 11:39:56 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Blogger

If you had studied Fatima...Fatima recalls mankind prophetically to the living of the Gospel.


38 posted on 05/09/2010 12:20:16 PM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: RJR_fan

Thank you for your interesting post, especially the last paragraph. Your sentiments are by no means unusual, as I am sure you know. They are an excellent example of anti-Catholic bigotry.


39 posted on 05/09/2010 12:35:44 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Salvation

I think so too.


40 posted on 05/09/2010 12:40:09 PM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Judith Anne

I agree.


41 posted on 05/09/2010 12:42:55 PM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Judith Anne
For the record, I am not an anti-Catholic bigot. Every Christian family has its skeletons in the closet, its lunatic aunt raving and mumbling in the basement. I know wonderful Catholic Christians who cultivate a little Marian devotion on the side. And I know Protestant Christians who actually support the cult of Caesar by rendering unto Caesar that which is God's -- the hearts, minds, and souls of their children. On some of the major issues of the day (the religious nature of all education, the religious nature of abortion on demand) the Catholics got things right long before the Protestants did.

I am sure there are inconsistencies in my life, invisible to me, and pray that my dear brothers and sisters will be gracious regarding these.

Still, as much as I respect the Catholic side of God's family, for me, the cult of the BVM is the deal-breaker.

42 posted on 05/09/2010 12:52:59 PM PDT by RJR_fan (Christians need to reclaim and excel in the genre of science fiction.)
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To: Irisshlass

Then Catholics should have no problem with Christians testing it for themselves, as the Bereans did the words of Paul.


43 posted on 05/09/2010 2:14:47 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: Irisshlass

I have studied Fatima, though it has been a while. My study of it wasn’t the point. Nor did I tell anyone what to think about it - nevertheless, here come the Mary police ready to pounce on anyone who merely makes any sort of comment on one of their subjects - no matter how benign.

If Fatima passes the biblical test, as you all suggest it does, there should be no problem.


44 posted on 05/09/2010 2:23:34 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: cycle of discernment; SunkenCiv

You know of course that the neanderthals made their last stand in what is now Portugal. Remains have been found there that are the most recent of all Neanderthal remains.

Coincidence or part of a plan?

Mysterious.


45 posted on 05/09/2010 3:25:11 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: wildbill

WOW


46 posted on 05/09/2010 4:51:02 PM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: wildbill

I won’t call ya crazy, but I’m just naturally averse to causing a ruckus. ;’)


47 posted on 05/09/2010 6:14:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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reprise of the two lists already posted, chrono sorted:
48 posted on 05/09/2010 6:22:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Irisshlass

Have you even read what she wrote regarding the messages?


49 posted on 05/10/2010 4:08:50 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SumProVita

Has She said, there is no missing text?


50 posted on 05/10/2010 7:02:24 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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