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I think I might be able to take a guess at why the second part of the secret was not revealed after the date of 1960, which was the year it was supposed to be revealed. It was a warning of punishment coming on the church and the world should the church stray from Jesus. The Pope in l960 refused to read the message. That timing would have happened two or three years prior to Vatican II and probably would have derailed Vatican II as we have known it.

As a teen I remember every previously repressed voice asserting itself; advocating for abortion, sex outside of marriage, divorce, feminist hatred of men and families, communism and even disrespect for or disbelief in Jesus. I was so broken hearted by all of this and although it lessened my attachment to the church, it never touched my relationship and love for Jesus. Vatican II untied the opposite of Jesus within the church and in my opinion, it has run on a rampage ever since.

We see it now resulting in the church suffering scandal (massive child sex and physical abuse) as the visionary warned. We even have wackos whipping up a murderous ideal for the Pope and I have no doubt there are plenty in Europe who would like to murder the people in the Vatican - including the Pope.

Pope John Paul thought or wanted the public to think that the part of the secret he revealed - the murder of the Pope - had been stopped in the attempted murder of himself. But I don’t think that was it. The murder of the Pope will happen in during Revelation’s chaos.

25 posted on 05/08/2010 11:18:43 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

Makes sense.

You are right, what could be more horrific than the church devouring itself by unleashing the most destructive evil forces—in fact, even nurturing them, within it’s own body?

All the radical ideology and opportunistic political assaults you describe strike at the heart of that which is healthy, solid and sustainable in relationship to God and a functional and spiritually rich, cooperative society.

Yet these forces have not been beaten back, instead they are feeding at the foundation of the church’s very pillars of existence and these infestation has actually been cultivated by those WITHIN—the gates have been flung open to allow the the disease of moral pestilence to infect the host.

I am not Catholic, but a Methodist, however I recognize the essential and precious, irreplaceable value of what the Catholic Church represents symbolically and actively in the Christian world and the world at large.

We humans are imperfect, so our churches will carry imperfections reflected through us, but this is the inevitable reality, our perpetual struggle —our response should not be to slaughter our churches, but work harder to better ourselves—to be honest, to focus, not lose perspective—redeem ourselves and never lose course of the ever-enduring quest in the war of good and evil.

But instead we are allowing the flesh be torn from Christianity before our open eyes. Watching the ravenous tear at our sacred institutions, while we stand by, frozen, allowing media voices (shallow, idiotic and driven by vogue immoralism and delusional “progressivism”) intimidate us into silence while they destroy the fabric of our faith systems.

So yes, this is about as horrific a “secret” that could be..a self-devouring slow death to the most meaningful core of our open, demonstratble connection with Christ, The Church.

It must be said, our personal relationship with God is incorruptible by the hand of man, we are of God, we are God’s children, and there is comfort in this.

However, undoubtably, as the church falls, mankind will fall—turning away from God to a new God—Central Authority.

This in fact, is the virus identified, the killer organism that is calculated-—that is behind all of this.

Remove competition to Central Authority, and there is no greater competition that God in the lives of human beings...therefore it, along with the other core competitive threats, Family and Personal Freedom, must all be reduced or removed.

Faith, family and Freedom are what Barack Obama is neutralizing in his brave new world.

So perhaps the secret warned of this.

Nevertheless, the facts are indisputable. We must not falter, we must stand up to ridicule, to isolation, undauntingly courageous—never tire and ever vigilant.

27 posted on 05/09/2010 4:51:40 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
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