Posted on 05/08/2010 9:30:27 PM PDT by GonzoII
“You have less faith in the salvic power of God than I do. So sad.”
Neither my grandmother nor myself have had children out of wedlock or divorced. But yet Mel Gibson can be saved because of the gracious power of God but yet I cannot because not baptised a Catholic receive communion at a Catholic Church alter.
There. Fixed. Now we can agree.
See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2509720/posts?page=231#231
Read all that I wrote. You seem to believe that Mel is beyond salvation. Nothing in the Holy Writ supports that kind of a view.
Indeed, we agreed the first time. Unlike Luther though, the Pope and every valid Bishop since the Apostles has had the Power to Loose and Bind. Luther, well, not so much.
I’ve always wondered how the Catholics viewed the early Manichean’s attachment to Mary.Augustine,who was associated with the Devils at one time,didn’t really go over it much in his book.
Can someone familiar with the subject and I am going to make one more assumption(arrogant servant that I am)that some of you have thought about it?
If you don’t feel like answering it or you don’t understand that is fine too.
Curiosity is my own personal falling.
“...but yet I cannot because not baptised a Catholic receive communion at a Catholic Church alter (sic).”
Sure you can.
Confess, abjure your heretical attachment to Luther, be shriven and then like any other lost sheep (like me), you too can worthily receive Our Lord, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity at the Holy Altar.
” but yet I cannot because not baptised a Catholic receive communion at a Catholic Church alter.”
The catholic church alter has no power to save. Only the blood of Christ. So I don’t see how you are missing anything except rote reading of rites, praying to dead people, and idol worship.
“Read all that I wrote”
You questioned my faith, that is not your place. You are not God.
“You seem to believe that Mel is beyond salvation.”
Nobody is beyond salvation. Being saved doesn’t mean we won’t face an accounting when we are judged. That too comes from the Word of God.
“Nothing in the Holy Writ (aka the Word of God) supports that kind of a view.”
You’re right, so why do you persist?
Luther has nothing to do with it. It is all about scripture; ie Acts and Luke.
And what about my Grandmother who was a Catholic?
Sorry, I’m not familiar enough with what you are asking about.
Would be interested in the response though.
Agree. And how sad I felt when my own Grandmother who was a Catholic was denied communion.
“And how sad I felt when my own Grandmother who was a Catholic was denied communion.”
Perhaps she just didn’t have enough cash. After all Mel, Pelosi, Kerry and Kennedy all get too partake.
Well, that's something, isn't it?
Unlike Luther though, the Pope and every valid Bishop since the Apostles has had the Power to Loose and Bind. Luther, well, not so much.
Every Christian has the power to loose and bind - your reading of Scripture is mistaken. (so much for agreement, eh?)
And what was even sadder was she gave me rosary beads and after my visit with her and back home with my parents I threw them away and never told her I never believed in the power of the rosary.
I just couldn’t knowing she believed in the Catholic Church and they denied her communion just because her second husband as a widower wasn’t a baptised Catholic.
I believe in the power of prayer. If a rosary helps people pray then its good. I don’t understand the idea that an object can have any power, seems like an idol.
Sorry about your Grandma, I’m sure that caused the family a lot of pain.
Being baptized isn’t required for salvation so I never understood why they took that position.
Me neither. She went to her grave with that belief.
“Every Christian has the power to loose and bind ...”
Really? What odd and private interpretation leads you to that heretical conclusion? (One that sets you against 2,000 years of Christian teaching and against the VAST majority of living Christians.)
Speaking for myself, when I see a falsehood said publicly, that has a substantial impact on the reader at FR, I feel like pointing out the falsehood.
The notion that Protestatism genuinely respects the Holy Scripture and follows it, is such falsehood. The notion that the Church somehow contradicts the Holy Scripture is another. These falsehood lead many into error. They need to be exposed. Alongside with that I enjoy explaining the teachings of the Catholic Church and love reading and discussing the Scripture. I would not call that preoccupation a "fight".
The political stuff is neither here or there. I agree with many Protestants politically, as well as with many members of other religions, and disagree with many Catholics.
This is a great article, by the way. If you are wondering why so many Catholics reject and despise Protestantism, just read it and find out.
“Luther has nothing to do with it.”
And yet you had attached yourself to the failed and un Catholic teachings of the man while desiring CATHOLIC Sacraments. How odd.
“It is all about scripture; ie Acts and Luke.”
Yes, I posted the relevant passage that barred you.
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