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1 posted on 05/10/2010 12:52:32 PM PDT by NYer
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EWTN will be providing live coverage of Pope Benedict XVI’s visit to Fatima beginning on May 11.

2 posted on 05/10/2010 12:53:24 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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Which Pope fainted upon being presented with the third message? Unless he was a very delicate individual or had the flu, I’m thinking the revealed third message wouldn’t have resulted in passing out. I don’t know what the Church knows or when it knew it, but I will still put my faith in the scriptures, the prayers and the faith of the past 2000 years as being (for the most part) genuine. I think we have always known in ALL faiths those who will be surprised as things progress. For some of us, the future is as clear as the noses on our faces. To others, you’ll find a whole lot of head-slapping with the obligatory “Who knew?!?”

Like it, or not, the Church wants everyone of us to be about the Lord’s business right up to the day he calls us home. I don’t need private revelations to keep on keeping on.

5 posted on 05/10/2010 1:11:22 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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I am obviously in the camp that believes the Pope and Sr. Lucia when they said that all was released. With that said, I think some observers have raised reasonable questions about some apparent discrepancies surrounding previous statements about the secret.

But the Vatican is in a catch-22 here. In order to quiet the conspiracy theorists, they could address some of the alleged discrepancies and put them to rest once and for all. But, and this is a big but, they simply cannot do that. To even address the questions would turn the conspiracy cottage industry into a huge growth sector overnight.

Every word or clarification issued would be dissected and dissected again opening up even more inconsistencies and discrepancies resulting in the world’s first perpetual motion conspiracy machine. So the Vatican continues to do what it must, it stays silent.

On an highly emotional spiritual level there has been a great common-ground meeting place between Rome and Mecca in the town of Fatima in Portugal. To quote a Catholic news organization, "Our Lady of Fatima is really Fatima, daughter of the Prophet Mohammed." On October 23, 1995, Iranian television began running stories that the apparitions in Fatima, Portugal in 1917 were religious phenomena of Muslim origin....

....According to Iranian Television, the woman who appeared to the three shepherd children in 1917 was not the Virgin Mary, mother of Jesus, but Fatima, the daughter of the prophet Mohammed, founder of Islam. Her message was reported to be "I am Fatima, daughter of the Prophet of Islam." This television report has helped launch the growing waves of Muslim pilgrims who have been visiting this Christian site in Portugal in recent years.

Catholics, on the other hand, say that the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to the three shepherd children. She told them to pray, especially encouraging the prayer of the Rosary. Lucía, the only surviving recipient of the vision, was entrusted with three "secrets," of which the third has never been made public. She recently assured that the third secret was never intended for general proclamation. Pope John Paul II has had a strong devotion to Our Lady of Fatima, especially since the failed assassination attempt of Ali Agca, which occurred precisely on May 13, 1991, the anniversary of the first vision at Fatima (May 13, 1917).
-- From the thread The Papacy and Islam

This brings us to our second point: namely, why the Blessed Mother, in the 20th century should have revealed herself in the significant little village of Fatima, so that to all future generations she would be known as "Our Lady of Fatima." Since nothing ever happens out of Heaven except with a finesse of all details, I believe that the Blessed Virgin chose to be known as "Our Lady of Fatima" as a pledge and a sign of hope to the Moslem people, and as an assurance that they, who show her so much respect, will one day accept her divine Son too.

Evidence to support these views is found in the historical fact that the Moslems occupied Portugal for centuries. At the time when they were finally driven out, the last Moslem chief had a beautiful daughter by the name of Fatima. A Catholic boy fell in love with her, and for him she not only stayed behind when the Moslems left, but even embraced the Faith. The young husband was so much in love with her that he changed the name of the town where he lived to Fatima. Thus, the very place where our Lady appeared in 1917 bears a historical connection to Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed.
-- Archbishop Fulton Sheen, in the book The World's First Love

On the Lady of Fatima:
Our Lady of Fatima in the Light of History
The Papacy and Islam
Mary And The Moslems(The Virgin Mother Mary & Islam)
Area Catholics to celebrate 90th anniversary of Fatima
New movie about Our Lady of Fatima to be screened in major U.S. cities
Fatima: The new Movie… Deception a-go-go [the Fatima apparitions were really UFO manifestations]
On the Third Secret, "Fourth Secret(s)", and other visions of Fatima:
Is There Missing Text Of The Third Secret?
'The Fourth Secret of Fatima': Is Pope Benedict's life in danger?
Marian Visionary Warns 2010 Start of Fatima Chastisement (Catholic Caucus ONLY)
Coast-2-Coast AM 10.09.08 Nicholas Gruner -Fatima Secrets-
Fatima: Case Closed
Sister Lucia's Last Moments
Bertone shows original Third Fatima Secret letter on TV
Fatima: The secret's out, despite claims to the contrary
“The Fourth Secret of Fatima”
Two Popes, Two Books -- and Two Major Insights into Famed Third Fatima Secret
The Third Secret of Fatima
Papal Assailant Calls on Vatican to Reveal All Parts of Fatima Secret
Questions ... Regarding The Third Secret of Fatima
Telling Secrets on the Vatican (re: "Third Secret" of Fatima)
Alleged Third Secret Handwriting ... (Fatima, Sister Lucia)
"No More Secrets," Visionary Said in 2001 (Sr. Lucia Confirmed Russia Consecrated to Mary)
On Catholics joining hands with Muslims:
Malaysia Catholics oppose non-'Allah' Bible
Catholic church in Cologne collects money for a mosque
A Catholic Church (in Venice Italy) Turns Into A Mosque (each Friday)
Muslims seek crisis management plan with Vatican
Pope meets with Muslim scholars, urges better ties
Vatican, Muslims prepare historic meeting with Pope
Muslim-Catholic pact to foster respect
Pope offers 'working meeting' with Muslims
Why Benedict XVI Is So Cautious with the Letter of the 138 Muslims
Muslims and Catholics release mission statement
Muslims, Catholics find common ground
Muslims Get "Prayer Room" at Catholic University
New York Catholics visit mosque, learn about Islam
Catholics Ponder Muslim Coexistence
Pope Invites Muslims to Dialogue, Slams "Holy Wars"(Hooray for the Pope!)
Archbshp Sheen's Prophetic warning of 50 years ago: Mary and the Moslems; The Significance of Fatima

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

7 posted on 05/10/2010 1:19:14 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Pretentiousness is so beneath me.)
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I believe that the best way for God to send a message to people on earth was to have Mary tell it to a little girl!!

and make it in 3 parts!

and keep one of them secret because it would be so bad if people knew that Russia was not “consecrated to the sacred heart of mary” or ...something

People believe the silliest things..(seriously, they do! look at the crapola Mooselimbs believe)

10 posted on 05/10/2010 1:28:28 PM PDT by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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12 posted on 05/10/2010 1:31:34 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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The loonies will rant and rave, as they always do. NOTHING one does can prevent it. Best bet is largely to ignore them. IMO.

19 posted on 05/10/2010 1:46:48 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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For those interested in Marian apparitions;

26 posted on 05/10/2010 2:05:08 PM PDT by 353FMG (Islam -- America's road to destruction.)
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I believe there have been a great many cover-ups and whitewashings by the Vatican of the true warnings of Our Lady to the shepherd children -- beginning with Pope John XXIII not making the Third Secret public by 1960, as Our Lady had requested -- and including the dismissive commentaries written by Card. Bertone and Card Ratzinger in 2000.

I am not a graphics expert, but I have seen a handwriting specialist's analysis that the Vatican's 2000 "Third Secret" was not written in Sister Lucia's handwriting.

I should qualify that as the Sister Lucia who was one of the three shepherd visionaries -- since there are several reports that the Vatican also created a doppleganger of Sister Lucia to pose for photos with Pope John Paul II and to "verify" the Vatican's "Third Secret."

51 posted on 05/10/2010 9:09:03 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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