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Posted on 05/13/2010 10:14:39 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
Have you ever heard the Jewish tradition of Dual Paternity?
Barring that:
The messiah to come is descended from the House of David, the ROOT of Jesse, and the House of Aaron. Hasn’t happened yet.
And barring that:
Book of Genesis)
Chapter 1
26
And G-d said: ‘Let *us make man in *our image, after *our likeness;
Book of Genesis)
Chapter 3
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And HaShem G-d said: ‘Behold, the man is become as one of *us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.’
Book of Genesis)
Chapter 6
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And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
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that the *sons of G-d saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and *they took *them wives, whomsoever *they chose.
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And HaShem said: ‘My spirit shall not abide in man for ever, for that he also is flesh; therefore shall his days be a hundred and twenty years.’
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The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the *sons of G-d came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to *them;
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Book of Job)
Chapter 1
6 Now it fell upon a day, that the *sons of G-d came to present *themselves before HaShem, and Satan came also among *them.
Book of Job)
Chapter 2
1
Again it fell upon a day, that the *sons of G-d came to present *themselves before HaShem, and Satan came also among *them to present himself before HaShem.
Book of Job)
Chapter 38
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Then HaShem answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:
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Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
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Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto Me.
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Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast the understanding.
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Who determined the measures thereof, if thou knowest? Or who stretched the line upon it?
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Whereupon were the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the corner-stone thereof,
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When the morning stars sang together, and *all the sons of G-d* shouted for joy?
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Which son did you have in mind?
Do you know that G-d fully intends to send His sons back to test us mortals? And that one of the questions is how many children are in the UNIVERSE...not just on earth.
Furthermore, He says we should know the answers because we were BORN knowing.
How’s that for a riddle?
The heel has been bruised, but the head is yet to be crushed.
Isaiah 53
1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
G-d using another nation to "knock sense" into Israel is not the same as the nations coming to Israel for the truth. We dont see Israel going the the nations because they have truth. On the contrary
Jer 1619 O LORD, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in time of distress, to you the nations will come from the ends of the earth and say, "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods, worthless idols that did them no good. 20 Do men make their own gods? Yes, but they are not gods!" 21 "Therefore I will teach them— this time I will teach them my power and might. Then they will know that my name is the LORD.
Then they will know that my name is the LORD! I love that part! My name is HaShem! Baruch HaShem! Holy is His name!
The fact that Jeremiah 31:31-34 begins with the prophet addressing both the "House of Israel and the House of Judah" clearly indicates that Jeremiah is speaking to a restored and fully ingathered Jewish people. This, however, was not at all the case at the time when Christians claim the new covenant was fulfilled in Jesus' death . . . quite the contrary. During the Christian century there was no House of Israel in existence because Assyria had exiled the Kingdom of Israel more than 700 years earlier (approx. 732 B.C.E.). Moreover, in the first century the Jewish people were spread throughout the Roman Empire and beyond. Thus, even the "House of Judah" was not all in the Promised Land during the Christian century.
In short, the era of the new covenant has not yet arrived. Rather, Jeremiah's prophecy addresses a future messianic age when the entire Jewish people -- both Judah and Israel -- will be restored together in their rightful place, the land of Israel (Ezekiel 37:15-22). In contrast, there had been no time in history when the Jewish people were more fractured and dispersed than during the Christian century when, according to the author of Hebrews, Jeremiah's prophecy of a new covenant was supposedly fulfilled.
Moreover, a cursory reading of verse 31:34 further confirms that Jeremiah's prophecy is not speaking of a Christian cross 2,000 years ago but rather a restored Jewish people in the future messianic era. Christians often overlook verse 34 and emphasize only 31:31-33 when quoting Jeremiah's declaration of a new covenant. This oversight has proved to be devastating to their understanding of this prophecy because verse 31:34 sheds much light on this new covenant era. Jeremiah 31:34 reads,
No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, "Know the Lord," for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord; for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.
The above verse reveals that the age of the new covenant will be realized during an epoch of the universal knowledge of God. It will occur when no one will have to teach his neighbor about God, "for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them . . . ." Did this occur at the time of the Christian century nearly 2,000 years ago, or at any time since? Does every human being "know the Lord"?
Moreover, the prophets foretold that the Jewish people will observe the commandments of the Torah after the messiah arrives. In fact, the Jewish scriptures prominently testify that the faithful observance of the Torah will be the emblematic feature of the messianic era.
And I shall give them one heart, and shall put a new spirit within them. And I shall take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, that they may walk in My statutes and keep My ordinances, and do them. Then they will be My people, and I shall be their God. (Ezekiel 11:19-20)
My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees. (Ezekiel 37:24)
And many peoples shall come, and say: "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths," for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. (Isaiah 2:3)
Using principles of hermeneutics, the passages that are clear, illuminate the passages that are not.
Ex 20: 2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Deut 4:12 12And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.
Deut 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.
Deut 4:39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.
Deut 6:14 Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;
Deut 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me:..
1 Sam 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
1Sam 15: 29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.
1 Kin 8: 60 That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.
2 Kin 19:19Now therefore, O LORD our God, I beseech thee, save thou us out of his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the LORD God, even thou only.
Is 40: 18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?
Is 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
Is 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Is 43:10 10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Is 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Is 44: 24Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Is 45:5I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Is 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
Is 46: 5 To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?
IS 46: 9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Is 48: ...and I will not give my glory unto another
Hos 13: 4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.
Joel 2: 27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else:
Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
Psa 73:25 Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee.
Psa 81: 8Hear, O my people, and I will testify unto thee: O Israel, if thou wilt hearken unto me; 9There shall no strange god be in thee; neither shalt thou worship any strange god.
Psa 146: 3Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
Neh 9:6 Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.
i Chron 17:20 O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.
The body of scripture is clear. HaShem is G-d...His name is One...He is One...He is Alone...No other Savior...Singular Unity.
You have taken Ch, 53 out of context. To inderstand 53, you must start with 49. Isaiah is talking about himself and the redemption of Zion which has been oppressed and infiltrated, of Jerusalem which allowed pagan and foreign gods to corrupt them.
You know, you can pick one or two passages out of a zillion that SEEMS to say what you want it to say. But you can’t do that. There is context and there is history and you have to consider the things that were happening then.
He is not speaking of a future event. He is speaking in the now.
The Lord said unto my Lord, sit thou at my Right hand.... Psalm 110
Psalm 45 Thy throne O God is established forever, and the scepter of thy Kingdom is the scepter of Righteousness, thou hast loved Righteousness and hated iniquity, therefore God,even thy God hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above all of thy fellows
http://www.messiahtruth.com/isai53b.html
You mean Isaiah “bore our iniquities, and was smitten for our transgressions”?
When did he make intercession for the transgressors and bear the sin of many”? Isaiah is definitely not the “Servant of the Lord” that he prophesies of,of whom Kings shall shut their mouth and by whose knowledge the many would be justified. This is a prophecy of the Messiah and the earlier sages knew it to be so!
Blaster,
Where in the Bible does it say how long the Messiah has to complete it’s mission on earth?
Yeshua will complete his mission the Finality with his 2nd Coming and if you follow the timeline from the Book of Ezekiel to Daniel (The Un-veiling) to the Gospels to the Book of Revelation, it is pretty darn obvious with anybody that embraces G-d’s word that we are the *Generation* to be a witness to the return of Messiah Jesus Christ.
You say Israel is still waiting for a Messiah? other than the one who came (Yeshua Ha Masiaich) well??? Why hasn’t he came? what other events have to happen before he comes?
Has he even been born yet? how long is it gong to take him to complete his task? 10 yrs? 20 yrs? 70 yrs? 500 yrs?
Do you think G-d had a mission for Mankind from the Start to the End for Mankind? Of course he did...
He is the G-d of *All Knowing* and his LAWS for Mankind (Torah) was always to bring fourth Jesus Christ who would ultimatley pay for the Sins of the World so ALL could be reconciled to a Holy Just G-d.
I agree that the religion of Judaism was never meant to be a branch to create all kinds of other religions, but it was a branch to bring all Sinners..Jew and Gentile alike to repentenance..
The Law of GOD is just not written in Stone for people to read, the Law of GOD is suppose to be written in the *Heart* of Man and that is what Jesus emphasized..
The Greatest Commandments is to LOVE:
G-d with all your heart, mind and soul AND..
To LOVE your neighbor as yourself.....
The Lord said unto my Lord, "Sit thou on my right hand, till I put thine enemies underneath thy feet."
It appears from the NASB translation that the "Lord," which is God, "said unto to my Lord" -- who Christians would have you believe is Jesus (David's "Lord") -- "Sit thou on my right hand, till I put thine enemies underneath thy feet."
Is the above verse speaking about Jesus? Not at all, yet look at the first word "Lord" in the verse. Now look at the second word "Lord" (they are only three words apart). Did you notice any difference between them? You didn't because the Christian translator carefully masked what it actually says in the text of the original Hebrew.
Although the two English words in the NASB translation are carefully made to appear identical, in the original Hebrew text they are entirely different. Whereas the first word "Lord" in the Hebrew is a correct translation of ,1, which is the Tetragrammaton (YHWH), the ineffable name of God, the second word "Lord" is a complete and deliberate mistranslation of the text. The second word "Lord" in the verse is an appalling translation of the Hebrew word (pronounced ladonee). The correct translation of ladonee is "to my master" or "to my lord." The Hebrew word adonee never refers to God anywhere in the Bible. It is only used for the profane, never the sacred. That is to say, God, the Creator of the universe, is never called adonee in the Bible. There are many words reserved for God in the Bible; adonee, however, is not one of them.
To illustrate this, let's look for a completely different place in the Bible where the exact same Hebrew word appears and find out how the same New American Standard Bible translates it there.
For example, we find the same word, (ladonee), used in the following two verses which have been translated by the same New American Standard Bible where the identical word is used as in Psalm 110:
Then he and the men who were with him ate and drank and spent the night. When they arose in the morning, he said, "Send me away to my master (ladonee: )." (Genesis 24:54, New American Standard Bible)
He also commanded them saying, "Thus you shall say to my lord (ladonee: ) Esau, 'Thus says your servant Jacob, "I have sojourned with Laban, and stayed until now." ' " (Genesis 32:4, New American Standard Bible)
The Hebrew word ladonee used in the above two verses is referring to Abraham and Esau, respectively. Notice that the Hebrew word used in both verses is identical to the Hebrew word in Psalm 110:1. Why did the New American Standard Bible translate ladonee correctly in Genesis 24:54 as "to my master," or in Genesis 32:4 as "to my lord," yet, for some reason, in Psalm 110:1 mistranslate it as "Lord"?
The answer is obvious. Both Genesis 24:54 and Genesis 32:4 are not texts used by the church to "prove" Jesus from the Jewish scriptures and therefore they had no reason to tamper with them. Psalm 110:1, on the other hand, is a verse that is flaunted by the New Testament and its missionaries as a verse that evangelicals insist "unquestionably points only to Jesus," and it therefore was deliberately mistranslated.
Some Christian translations are more transparent in their rendering of Psalm 110 than the New American Standard Bible. For example, the King James Version and a few other Bibles still render the second "Lord" as if it were sacred; however, they translate the first "LORD" in upper case. This is a helpful hint to the keen observer that there is a distinction between them. Of course, it's up to the curious Bible student to then look up the second "Lord" in a Hebrew Bible. Only such a deliberate and thorough investigation would uncover how the text was doctored.
It should be noted that while many Christian translators indulge in this manipulation of Psalm 110:1, some do not. Numerous modern Christian Bibles have corrected Matthew's mistranslation. For example, the Revised Standard Version and the New English Bible correctly render the Hebrew word ladonee as " to my lord," in Psalm 110:1, indicating that it is not speaking of God.
As mentioned above, this tampering with Psalm 110:1 began long ago in the Christian Bible itself. The Christian translators, who would later also mistranslate this verse, simply followed in the footsteps of the author of the first Gospel. If we look at the original Greek of Matthew 22:44 we find the same doctoring of the text in later Christian translations of the Book of Psalms. When Matthew has Jesus quote Psalm 110:1 to the Pharisees, the identical Greek word kurios2 (pronounced koo-re-os) is used both times the word "Lord" appears in Matthew 22:44.
Finally, it is essential that I explain the meaning of Psalm 110:1. Of whom is this Psalm really speaking? To whom are the words "my master" or "my lord" referring?
The Psalm begins with the opening Hebrew words "Mizmor l'David." The word "Mizmor" means "a song," and thus the opening phrase of this Psalm is, "A Song of David." In fact, the word Psalms comes from the Greek word psalmos, which means "a song." This is unknown to many Bible readers.
Why would King David be writing these songs? For whom was he writing them? By whom were they to be sung? With these questions in mind, we can begin to understand the intent of Psalm 110.
One of the great disappointments in King David's illustrious life occurred when God refused his request to build the first Temple in Jerusalem. Although David's son Solomon undertook that task and eventually constructed the first Temple, David's connection to it was significant.
For example, David founded the city of Jerusalem, the city where the Temple was built. In fact, both the city and the Temple were called after him, the City and Temple of David. Moreover, he made preparations for the building of the Temple, and even arranged for the Temple service (II Samuel 7; I Chronicles 14-17, 22-26). This is where the Book of Psalms played its central role. King David was a faithful servant of God who possessed extraordinary skills as a teacher, musician, and poet. In fact, King David authored most of the Book of Psalms. The original purpose for which King David composed the Book of Psalms was for the Levites to sing them in the Temple. The Levites would stand on a platform and joyfully chant these spiritually exhilarating Psalms to an inspired people. King David composed Psalm 110 for liturgical recitation by the Levites in the Temple years after his death. Therefore, the Levites would read this lyric,
The Lord [God] said to my master [King David] "Sit thou at my right hand . . . ."
For the church, however, the Psalmist's original intent was superseded by its interest in Christianizing this verse. Thus, the opening verse in Psalm 110 was altered in order to paint Jesus into the Jewish scriptures.
Psalm 45: ...therefore God,even thy God hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above all of thy fellows
It is eisegesis to render this in any way pertaining to Jesus.
Some Sages did...but keep in mind, these Sages did not have the benefit of hindsight that we have now. The Sages of old (depending on which one) had not experienced the slaughter of Jews during the Bar Kochba uprising. The slaughter of Jews during the inquistion. The slaughter of the Jews of the crusades. The slaughter of Jews during the pogroms of europe. The slaughter of the Jews by the Cossacks. The slaughter of 6 million Jews by Hitler. 1.5 million of which were children.
Why is this relative? Psalm 52:14 Just as there were many who were appalled at him [c]— his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred beyond human likeness—
Jesus was scurged badly. But everybody who saw him on the cross knew who he was. He still looked like a human being. Nobody said...it that him? He doesnt even look human! They all knew it was Jesus.
On the other hand, the Jews in Europe were considered giant viruses, untermenschen, sub-human, rats, vermin, so vile that they werent even considered human beings! How else do you slaughter, gas, experiment on, turn into soap, lampshades, shoot, poison, starve, disease 6 MILLION including children, except by marring their visage beyond that of any human.
Many many times, Isaiah refers to the nation of Israel in the plural and singular. And now, with the historical rebirth of the nation of Israel out of the horrors of the holocaust, the context of Is 52-53 is perfectly clear.
Besides, it cant possibly be Jesus. He had no children (and the hebrew word zera NEVER referes to spiritual children) And if Jesus is God, you have God making God suffer, God smitting Himself, making a deal with himself...etc. It makes no sense and is clearly not Jesus the god-man. Isaiah 43:10 sums it up perfectly.
10. "You are My witnesses," says the Lord, "and My servant whom I chose," in order that you know and believe Me, and understand that I am He; before Me no god was formed and after Me none shall be.
Witnesses (plural) and My Servant (singular). The suffering servant is G-ds witness's, the nation of Israel, My servant.
So by who’s Stripes are we healed????
The Israeli Flag is Blue and White..The Star of David.
Surely you do not think by the Flag of the USA (Stripes) we are healed from the the Book of Isaiah????
Another thing.....Why did so many people see Jesus after his resurrection? why did they see in Jerusalem rabbi’s who had died but were seen after Jesus rose from the grave?
Why do you think the Jews in Israel would lie about this? yet you believe the Pharisees, like they were without blemish and surely would never lie?
I speak with so many Atheists that are pretty rageful about G-d they tell me constantly G-d is a lie, the Bible is a big fat lie, so is the Torah and so is Moses, Noah, Abraham Jesus because they say it was written all by Men and all Men lie....WELL...I say yes Men do lie but G-d does not and he uses human beings to spread his truth...So we can cherry pick the Holy Scriptures and who Jesus Christ really was and his mission on this earth...But the fact is if we believe G-d and what the scriptures say then it is immoral to say the JEWS who were around when Jesus Christ was on this earth, some that knew him, walked with him, listened to him, sat with him, ate wth him, observed his miracles, and saw HIM after he died on the Cross as a bunch of LIARS...If we do that, then we really don’t have a leg to stand on when Atheists come at us *Full-Force* and say G-d does not exist, religion poisons everything, and the Jews are nothing but liars about G-d, the Torah and a false G-d giving the land of Israel to the Jews not the Arabs... Jesus Christ and the Vatican should be shut down and the Pope arrested.
I hope you can see my point.
The Greatest Commandments is to LOVE: G-d with all your heart, mind and soul AND.. To LOVE your neighbor as yourself.....
And Jesus was quoting the "old" testament. This is not a new teaching.
Deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Lev 19:18....but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
http://www.messianic-literary.com/shroud.htm
Much of the new scientific evidence has risen from the “Shroud of Turin Research Project” or STURP, a highly respected group of scientists who have dedicated themselves to uncovering the scientific mysteries of the Shroud. STURP members are from these organizations:
Lockheed Corporation
U.S. Air Force Weapons Laboratories
Brooks Institute of Photography
Texas, Medical Examiner’s Office
Oceanographic Services Inc
University of Colorado
Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories
IBM
Western Connecticut State University
Nuclear Technology Corporation
Los Angeles County Museum
St. Agnes Medical Center
Oriel Corporation
Rocky Mountain Thermograph
New England Institute
U.S. Air Force Academy
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Sandia Laboratories
Santa Barbara Research Center
Barrie Schwortz Studios
The STURP team has revealing astounding data that now has convinced many scientists of the miraculous origin of the image. No medieval artist or alchemist could have produced the results present in the Shroud. Research so far has proven that:
The Shroud behaves as a photographic negative.
The Shroud encodes three-dimensional (3-D) data which corresponds to a three-dimensional body.
The image is without substance (not painted on), but rather is due to a chemical change within the linen itself.
The image exhibits clear evidence of rigor mortis with no evidence of decomposition of the body, suggesting the body image occurred no later than 36 hours after death.
The Shroud image exhibits anatomical structures clearly not in contact with the cloth and some skeletal structure, e.g., thus suggesting a type of autoradiograph (X-Ray image).
Medical radiation imaging has, by far, come the closest to reproducing the totality of the image. Yet, the Shroud image remains an unduplicatable mystery.
Much of the recent research on the Shroud of Turin has been focused on the determination of “how the image could have formed on the linen” and of “what type of radiation could have formed the image”? The answer to the first question of how the image formed on the linen was fairly evident. In addressing the second question of “what type of radiation formed the image”, there are various natural and supernatural theories that have risen in attempting to solve this scientific mystery. Research indicates the unknown radiation is “biophysical” in its nature. Knowledge of such “biophysical radiation” is currently beyond our scientific understanding.
The scientific evidence revealed in the image scorched on the Shroud of Turin certainly eludes to the miraculous resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth and provides a tremendous witness to Jew and Gentile alike of God’s omnipotence and Jesus divine nature.
Yes Jesus did quote from the OT he was no a Pagan or a Heretic he was a Torah Observant Jew.
Why did G-d Choose Noah? or Abraham? or Moses? or Saul/Paul
to be a witness to MANY.....
Most of the Jews who knew Jesus and who he was were kind of lost when he was gone, thy did not know HOW to witness to Gentiles.....Meaning GOD chooses and uses certain people to achieve his Objectives, why did he choose Saul a Persecutor of Christians a Pharisee to be a Witness to the Gentile World about Jesus Christ?
Or you think Saul/Paul was a liar as well?
The flag? I doubt it. Stripes is a KJV rendering of the Hebrew word havurah. A better translation is wounds. So, it should say, "and with his wounds we were healed".
Why do you think the Jews in Israel would lie about this? yet you believe the Pharisees, like they were without blemish and surely would never lie?
Are you sure you are asking the right person about this? I never commented on this. I didnt say the NT Jews were lying. Those are points for Christians to deal with, not me. Jesus's miracles and ressurection are of no concern to Jews. Why? Because the messiah will not be known by walking on water, turning water into wine or by resurrection of himself. He will be known by rebuilding the temple, restoring sacrifices, bringing world peace, bringing a universal knowlege of God, gathering in the exiles etc., very specific prophesies.
If I were you, I would avoid atheists. They hate Christians and Jews both. And if they are going to be hostile, forget it.
Wow you are getting really random here. Shroud of Turin? Paul?
As far as Paul goes, he is just plain wrong. My personal opinion is that Jesus never wanted, or intended to start a new religion. I think he was a reformer, similar to Martin Luther. It was Paul who spun it off into a grecco-roman version of Judaism. If Jesus came back tomorrow, I think the first thing he would say is...Paul was wrong. Keep the Torah like I told you to do in Matthew 5:
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Considering Jesus has not finished what he started, there has been no second coming,therefore all has not been fulfilled and heaven and earth are still intact, so should be the Law...
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