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United Methodists might broach subject of gay preachers
Minneapolis Star-Tribune ^ | 5/14/10 | JEFF STRICKLER

Posted on 05/14/2010 5:27:38 PM PDT by SmithL

Will they follow the lead of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America?

Are the United Methodists preparing to follow the lead of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) in allowing gay ministers?

The ELCA spent a decade arguing over the matter before it voted last summer to recognize gay and lesbian ministers who are involved in monogamous relationships. The United Methodists aren't anywhere close to taking a similar vote; the best description of their situation is that they are thinking about thinking about it.

At its meeting next month, the Minnesota Annual Conference has agreed to accept eight petitions dealing with the church's stance on homosexuality. But conference officials aren't promising that the petitions will reach the floor. They will be debated "if there is time."

The petitions address specific clauses in church law. They include lifting the ban on gay preachers, deleting the word "heterosexual" from the definition of marriage and removing the statement, "The practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching."

Regardless of how the petitions fare, nothing will happen soon. Church law cannot be changed on a state level, and the national conference, which meets every four years, doesn't reconvene until 2012. In fact, if the petitions fail to make it to the floor, supporters can reintroduce them at next year's state conference.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: elca; gaystapo; homosexualagenda; methodists; religiousleft; sin; umc; unitedmethodists
Another church body preparing to worship at the alter of political correctness?
1 posted on 05/14/2010 5:27:38 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: lightman; rhema

The Gaystapo will not be satisfied until all churches have been destroyed.


2 posted on 05/14/2010 5:28:37 PM PDT by SmithL
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3 posted on 05/14/2010 5:29:27 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: SmithL
So sad, it was the church of my youth.

Unfortunately they are not the same church anymore.

They lost me when they started using the slogan, Open Hearts, Open Minds.

I will always have an open heart. my faith dictates that, but an open mind, no, there are some things that are wrong.

4 posted on 05/14/2010 5:34:52 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: SmithL

Except they cannot overcome The Church Universal-the one with no walls - the Body of Christ worldwide. Of that, they can have no part.


5 posted on 05/14/2010 5:38:19 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: SmithL
Methodists ought to take a look at what has happened to the UCC, the PiskyUSAs, and the ELCAs. Three churches bent on self-destruction. Sure methodists--go ahead and bitch up your thing just like these other apostate losers. A tree is known by its fruits.
6 posted on 05/14/2010 5:38:58 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: SmithL

yet again the homosexuals have infiltrated yet another church

even on here someone said that she now has no problem with homosexuals because she got to know one from church who just joined

this crap had better stop and those making crap excuses saying well I know one and he is nice has better wake up as those who say well I’m not bothered as they are not affecting me.

it’s not marriage they want it’s a complete agenda if those people look at the bigger picture and wake the hell up


7 posted on 05/14/2010 5:39:28 PM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: hinckley buzzard

homosexuals and the far left , commies have been targeting the church for decades as they know if they break the traditional family then they will get their agenda passed.

the normal family is the biggest enemy of the far elft, commies and the homosexuals.

one only has to look at the commie manifesto to see how they are trying to get their agenda passed so when people say they’re conservative but have no problem with the queers then I suggest they read that manifesto as they are helping commies


8 posted on 05/14/2010 5:42:07 PM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: SmithL
With the United Methodists it's clearly a question of the financial wellbeing of their retirement program.

These guys want gay preachers paying in because, in the end, there will be little pay out to these guys (due to their shorter lifespans).

To say that the ambition is clearly immoral would be the least you could say of it.

I tell you, all you need to do is talk this over with a Fidelity (or or other fine annuity) broker to find out what the deal is all about.

9 posted on 05/14/2010 5:44:09 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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Who's Who of theologically squishy churches with whom the ELCA is in full communion

I like Gene Edward Veith's wry comment:

The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America did more at their convention than affirm homosexuality. The delegates also voted to extend full pulpit, altar, and every other kind of fellowship with the United Methodist Church.

. . . .

The ELCA is saying that it agrees with and will no longer criticize Calvinists AND Arminians AND the social gospel AND pietists AND moralists AND congregationalists AND episcopalians AND liturgists AND anti-liturgists AND people who believe in sacraments AND people who don’t believe in sacraments. So what is left that is distinctively LUTHERAN in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America?

It ain't anything Luther and the Bible would assert, that's for certain.

10 posted on 05/14/2010 5:46:01 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Apple Blossom

ping


11 posted on 05/14/2010 5:46:01 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Thank You God for Freeing the Navy Seals)
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To: muawiyah

I’ve stopped going to church due to how the C of E started going liberal

my kids and I say our prayers when we want and we help who we want and donate to who we want.
If I find a church (wife was thinking baptist) then maybe I’ll go back


12 posted on 05/14/2010 5:46:35 PM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: SmithL

The Methodists are up to theur eyeballs in closeted, and not-so-closeted gay ministers. They’ve been lying about it and promoting themselves from within for years.


13 posted on 05/14/2010 5:48:18 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: SmithL

Why not just throw away the Bible and make it up as you go along. If it feels good just do it!


14 posted on 05/14/2010 5:49:04 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: SmithL

The difference with the UMC is that the conservative movement has been organized and strong for at least three decades.

The “Good News Movement” has its own publications and receives funding and other support from the Institute for Religion and Democracy (IRD). For reasons unknown to me the IRD has never had any interest in influincing the ecclesial politics of the ELCA.

Moreover, Asbury Seminary is a bastion of orthodoxy. That cannot be said of ANY of the ELCA Seminaries.


15 posted on 05/14/2010 5:50:22 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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Emendation: Make that A list of mostly theologically squishy churches with whom the ELCA is in full communion.

The Moravians and the Reformed Church need to cut ties ASAP. It's not spiritually healthy to have full communion with a wolf in sheep's clothing.

16 posted on 05/14/2010 5:50:32 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: SmithL
The difference with the UMC is that the conservative movement has been organized and strong for at least three decades.

The “Good News Movement” has its own publications and receives funding and other support from the Institute for Religion and Democracy (IRD). For reasons unknown to me the IRD has never had any interest in influencing the ecclesial politics of the ELCA.

Moreover, Asbury Seminary is a bastion of orthodoxy. That cannot be said of ANY of the ELCA Seminaries.

17 posted on 05/14/2010 5:50:38 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: rhema

OK, I looked at the churches listed on the first website you listed. Tell me more about the “Reformed Church” — is their logo a cross and a martini (complete with olive)?


18 posted on 05/14/2010 6:19:36 PM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: hinckley buzzard

The ELCA’s actions on promoting homosexuality and universal salvation have resulted in the birth of many Scripture-based churches by the many who have left the ELCA for their movement away from Scripture and to political correctness.


19 posted on 05/14/2010 6:24:43 PM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: SmithL

“The Gaystapo will not be satisfied until all churches have been destroyed.”

Even more so, the gaystapo won’t be satisfied until EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH THEM is DESTROYED.


20 posted on 05/14/2010 6:53:15 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: GadareneDemoniac; rhema

Shaken, not stirred.


21 posted on 05/14/2010 6:58:43 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

I was raised a United Methodist. They’ve been dead to me for over 20 years. Liberalism has been their way for a long time and accepting gays will happen soon.


22 posted on 05/14/2010 7:02:15 PM PDT by packrat35 (Planned Parenthood - Keeping healthcare costs down, one fetus at a time)
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To: SmithL

As a United Methodist I will assure you the General Conference will not be changing its position in 2012. I can say that in confidence for the simple reason that our growth globally is in Africa; African Christians in general, and African Methodists in particular, are very opposed to homosexual ministers.

This article is about one conference in Minnesota. There are 63 such conferences in the United States with another 59 in other countries. As the name implies, they meet annually, and each year numerous petitions are filed for changes in church law or social principals. That is not the same as action by the General Conference; no annual conference can change ordinance rules.

The Methodist governing structure provides for a court system, and we actually put ministers on trial for violations of church doctrine, including a homosexual lifestyle. How many other Protestant churches can say that?

At the same time, we consider persons with homosexual urges to be persons “of sacred worth” and children of God despite their shortcomings. We have all sinned and fallen short, and we all depend on the grace and love of God through Christ.


23 posted on 05/14/2010 7:24:01 PM PDT by Dark Fired Tobacco
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To: SmithL

I’m surprised to hear this policy wasn’t already adopted by the United Methodist Church. A few years ago, a member in charge of a program at a UMC told me the church was open to marrying same-sex couples. Maybe she was wrong, but the church had put her in a leadership position, so I doubt it.


24 posted on 05/14/2010 8:48:15 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Dark Fired Tobacco

Praise God for the African Christians. They are holding the world-side expression of the church to make account for their unbiblical teaching.


25 posted on 05/14/2010 11:57:40 PM PDT by MarilynBr
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To: SmithL

The fact that this issue is even up for debate indicates the carcass of a once legitimate Church.


26 posted on 05/15/2010 5:10:17 AM PDT by fwdude (It is not the liberals who will destroy this country, but the "moderates.")
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To: SmithL

Great, look how the sexual deviants infiltrated the Catholic church to access little boys and undermine the church. Seems the Methodists have not a clue what to expect. Pandering to perverts is disdained in most religions, not just Chrisianity, but even in Islam. Go figure.


27 posted on 05/15/2010 8:26:41 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: SmithL

The northeastern UMC conferences have been promoting gay and lesbian pastors and “youth leaders” for decades. The only thing left is to acknowledge this fact.


28 posted on 05/15/2010 11:34:38 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (I can see November from my house!)
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To: muawiyah
With the United Methodists it's clearly a question of the financial wellbeing of their retirement program. These guys want gay preachers paying in because, in the end, there will be little pay out to these guys (due to their shorter lifespans).

If it weren't for GLB pastors, the northeastern conferences wouldn't have enough pastors. Garbage in, garbage out.

29 posted on 05/15/2010 11:37:10 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (I can see November from my house!)
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To: Fido969
The Methodists are up to theur eyeballs in closeted, and not-so-closeted gay ministers. They’ve been lying about it and promoting themselves from within for years.

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30 posted on 05/15/2010 11:43:52 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (I can see November from my house!)
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To: fwdude
The fact that this issue is even up for debate indicates the carcass of a once legitimate Church.

Real Churches don't vote on the Sixth Commandment.

31 posted on 05/15/2010 7:12:10 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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