Skip to comments.What happens to the soul of a jew upon death
Posted on 05/16/2010 5:24:35 PM PDT by lovesdogs
My neighbor was buried today. He was a Jewish man of devout faith. Now mind you he was no saint, he had his share of issues just like anyone else. But in his later years, he became much more involved in the temple and study of the Torah. His Rabbi was at his home every other day and sometimes every day for study and company.
I looked all over for an answer to this question and I cannot find it. My friend did not accept Christ as his savior. As a Jew he did not accept Christian belief. Can anyone help me with what will happen to his soul? Will my prayer help? I have no experience with this sort of thing and I am heartbroken with the loss of this good man.
The news of his death grieves me greatly. I am very sorry for your loss. I’ll pray for you and his family and other friends, too.
Only God knows. It’s not my business.
For the most part, the Torah describes the afterlife in vague terms, many of which may simply be figurative ways of speaking about death as it is observed by the living.
An early common theme is that death means rejoining one’s ancestors. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and other patriarchs are “gathered to their people” after death (see Gen. 25:8, 25:17, 35:29, 49:33; Deut. 42:50; 2 Ki. 22:20). In contrast, the wicked are “cut off (kareit) from their people” (Gen. 17:14; Ex. 31:14). Other imagery emphasizes the finality of death: the dead are like dust returning to dust (Genesis; Ecc. 3:19-20) or water poured out on the ground (2 Samuel 14:14).
Another recurring biblical image of the afterlife is as a shadowy place called Sheol. It is a place of darkness (Psalm 88:13, Job 10:21, 22) and silence (Psalm 115:17), located in low places (Numbers 16:30, Ezekiel 31:14, Psalm 88:7, Lamentations 3:55; Jonah 2:7, Job 26:5). In 1 Samuel 2:6, God puts people in She’ol. In Isaiah 14:9-10, the departed in Sheol rise up to greet leaders who have now been brought low as they are. The author of Psalm 88 laments his impending death with these words:
I am sated with misfortune; I am at the brink of Sheol.
I am numbered with those who go down to the Pit;
I am a helpless man
abandoned among the dead,
like bodies lying in the grave
of whom You are mindful no more,
and who are cut off from Your care.
You have put me at the bottom of the Pit,
in the darkest places, in the depths.
Taken together, these early biblical descriptions of death seem to indicate that the soul continues to exist in some way after death, but not consciously. Later in the Torah, the concept of conscious life after death begins to develop. Daniel 12:2 declares, “And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life and some to reproaches and everlasting abhorrence.” Neh. 9:5.
If he was exposed to the light of Christ and rejected it then he is lost. Otherwise, we trust in a loving God.
well, the jews didnt except christ as the messiah when he came.. jews are still waiting for the messiah to come.. so i guess if they die without excepting christ they are doomed..christians do believe that jesus was the messiah
Although I am a Christian, I feel it is incumbent upon us to respect the beliefs of others IF THEY DO NO HARM. Your friend seems to have led a largely decent life and paid due respect to the Creator and His laws. My view is to accept what others believe, as HOW people worship is more important than WHO they worship. My condolences on your loss.
Here's my take....Non Christians that are good people that have never heard about Jesus will have a type of heaven but They will NOT have JESUS or the SAINTS with them.
TRUE HEAVEN will have Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit, and the Saints....imho.....UNLESS they have REFUSED to hear about Jesus, then it's a whole other ball game....imho.
Methinks that is a question for God.
There is a division of thought on the matter.
Even Moslems are divided. Many of them still believe in pre-Koranic religious standards, and for them he comes back as someone else.
Well, so much for reincarnation theories.
The only one everybody seems to agree on is that he will be judged on the Day of Judgment at the End of Time.
Jews have their own Covenant with God and He will know what to do when the time arrives.
I went to an all catholic girls’ high school. We were taught that Jews wouldn’t go to heaven. I told my teacher that was a ridiculous conclusion. I was disciplined for my opinion.
That is a VERY easy question. God made a covenant with the Jews. When a Jew lives up to that covenant God lives up to His part of the deal.
One thing is for sure...you can count on God not reneging on his covenants.
Then the Message of Salvation was given also to the Gentiles.
Did I read that wrong?
I call BS on that.
Many people who call themselves Christians are just as lost as the Jew is because they failed to receive Christ as their savior.
According to the Bible, the only thing that matters is believing God (the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) that He sent the Messiah of Israel for the salvation of mankind, and for one's own personal salvation, and that one accepts that for themselves.
It's like what the Apostle Paul said in the book of Romans, in how Abraham was justified -- we're all justified the same way.
Jew or Gentile doesn't matter... what church one goes to doesn't matter.
Romans Chapter 4 1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: 7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered; 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin." 9 Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How then was it accounted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of the faith which our father Abraham had while still uncircumcised. 13 For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, 15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, "I have made you a father of many nations") in the presence of Him whom he believed--God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, "So shall your descendants be." 19 And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah's womb. 20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 22 And therefore "it was accounted to him for righteousness." 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
Sorry...asnwering such questions is above my pay grade.
Geesh....of course they taught you that!! That is what our religion says...because that is what JESUS SAID!! <P.When a person outright rejects Jesus, do you think He says “Yes, of course. come into MY house”!! I DOUBT it!! THINK...don’t just FEEL...THINK.
The God I know is a merciful God. You will get as many different answers as there are religions on this earth.
God always keeps his promises.
A Catholic priest told me that Jesus Christ was the new covenant with God but that the old covenant was not negated.
GOD sent His SON as the COVENANT...reject Him at your will.
Accept, not except. Sorry, I’m an ahole.
Messianic Judaism is an interesting concept. But I’ve had a Rabbi say that’s the same as Christianity.
From my studies, it appears that the Jews are still under the Old Covenant.
I have no idea what that means as far as “salvation” goes, but God made the rules and I just don’t find it necessary to argue about it.
Jews...Muslims..Mormon...Catholic...Lutheran....etc...THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD!
At death, the soul of believers are with God forever. The souls of unbelievers are forever away from God’s presence. If your friend did not know God, he will be apart from God.
This is why Christians should feel urgency to talk about Christ to those who do not know Him. If we believe that Christ is God we want others to know for their eternal good.
My belief is that we never “die” but rather leave this existence for one on a higher plane where we choose a different set of “goals” to achieve toward making us better entities.
I believe that whoever created us and everything we are aware of did not mean for anything to go totally out of existence.
I imagine this will p.o. some of the traditionalists but matter cannot be destroyed and we are matter, are we not?
“Christians” were given that title at Antioch right after Jesus’s death....after Peter thay were NOT JEWS....they were Christians.
I cannot tell you what will happen, only what I believe, Good people are rewarded with heaven and bad go to hell.
Religion doesn,t really matter.
Act Chapter 2 1 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, "Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs--we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God." 12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, "Whatever could this mean?" 13 Others mocking said, "They are full of new wine." 14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, "Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. 16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. 18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy. 19 I will show wonders in heaven above And signs in the earth beneath: Blood and fire and vapor of smoke. 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord. 21 And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved.' 22 "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know-- 23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it. 25 For David says concerning Him: 'I foresaw the Lord always before my face, For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken. 26 Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad; Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope. 27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption. 28 You have made known to me the ways of life; You will make me full of joy in Your presence.' 29 "Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33 Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear. 34 For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself: 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, 35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool." ' 36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ." 37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" 38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call." 40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation." 41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.
His souls does what every other good persons does, it goes to heaven. It is only the Protestant faith that thinks Christ is the only way to heaven.
they believe in a redeemer, they just don’t believe he has arrived yet. How is that a damnation to hell. Maybe we are passing judgement on something that we should not be.
im just saying that NOBODY goes to the father unless you go through the SON.. you must accept christ as your savior— he is the only way.. PERIOD.. the jews betrayed jesus (his own people) -the high priest to the roman councel to have him crucified..all these peeps were jews, were do you think they are?
No it isn’t. Jesus said...JESUS..”I am the Way, the TRUTH and the LIGHT” What is so hard about this?? Reject Him if you will.
Agree, we don’t judge the state of anyones soul or spirit when they die. Thats not man’s job...and I don’t want that job either......God has it all to Himself....
God made a Covenant with the Hebrews. If you believe He keeps His promises then you may rest assured.
My Jewish in laws think there will be NO Messiah....you jst have to live a good life....whatever that means.
LOL, uh, no. The idea is that the soul is not the physical body. Reincarnation is not possession. It's the matching of a body with the development of the soul, so as to support the continued approach to God. It is not the takeover of another living being.
Reincarnation also does not avoid Judgement - in fact, the Judgement is what determines the next body/life, up to and including hell, or heaven. Reincarnation also neatly explains why people are born into such tremendously different situations, yet all are subject to the same divine law (meaning obeying that law seems much easier to some than others).
In fact, about the only seriously blocked common Christian theological teaching reincarnation refutes is a permanent hell (since the karma, or balance of good and evil actions, that sends someone to hell will eventually be exhausted). Because to declare hell permanent, means that it is possible for hate to defeat God's love, or for someone to actually experience God and yet not turn away from evil, or for God to give up on someone as hopeless.
Obviously, each of these issues have it's proponants, sceptics, and dismissers.
Well, so much for reincarnation theories.
Actually, reincarnation means we get to discuss theory over and over again until we get it right : )
Thanks to all freepers for the responses. BOF, your response gives me the most comfort and makes the most sense. I simply could not imagine that God would abandon Jews. The service today was moving and ancient in its feel. The Rabbi even made the point that we come into life screaming while others smile and the reverse is true at the end of life.
I believe that my friend lived up to his covenant. He loved his wife for 65 years and years after she passed. His children were another thing. But I think he loved them even if he could not accept their actions. But he was a good man who loved his neighbor as himself. I will miss him for a very long time.
G-d is all there is - everything comes from G-d, everything returns to G-d.
Being born into a state of sin - not a part of Judaism.
Satan trying to steal souls from G-d - not a part of Judaism.
Trinity - not a part of Judaism.
Armageddon - not a part of Judaism.
Judgment Day - not a part of Judaism (not in the way Christians believe).
Messiah - Christian beliefs not the same as Judaism.
Hope that helps.
Don’t worry about it - just remember that God’s love for us is beyond our comprehension.
TRUE...no one can judeg who goes to heaven and who goes to hell or Purgatory.
I’d ask Eric Cartman, he’d know..
How about the other Jews among the apostles and the early followers in Jerusalem? Did all those Jews betray Jesus?
He came first to the Jews and by golly He found Jews to follow Him.
You have to give up this "group guilt" thing.
Here's a thought for you. There are Christian people who live in the Arctic. Before modern times they were unable to pass the bread or drink the wine because wheat doesn't grow there, and neither do grapes.
Did God write the Arctic people out of "His plan for salvation" by depriving them of freeze hardy wheat and grapes?
Or do you suspect that God knows what He's up to even if mere human beings don't.
Hard to believe all Jews over the last couple thousand years are doomed to hell. This is a tough question. A christian believes Christ is the only way, but to believe this, he must also believe non-christians have no hope.
there was a big movement of Jesus coming back in 1979. well, we are all still here, and some say he came and we are left in hell here. Maybe God wants us to solve our own problems.
That was a very sweet sermon the Rabbi gave.....very sweet.
My God is a loving God! I trust his judgement of us. So sorry for your loss, but your friend sounded like a good man. IMHO he will be judged by a loving and fair God. Oh, and I too went to an all-girls Catholic School.
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