Posted on 05/20/2010 7:15:15 AM PDT by markomalley
^^^I think the exception to celibacy means his wife will continue to have the full benefits of marriage.^^^
Just like Joseph had the full benefits of his marriage with Mary.
Can your parish priest ordain a priest?
And if you read the article the PCA can not even find a record that church was ever PCA, let alone Scott as ordained
When one changes denominations they must be tested and approved by the new denomination .
Our church moved from Bible Presbyterian to PCA ..the already ordained pastors had to be accepted by the new denomination and have a public ceremony ... Our non teaching Elders also had to be ordained again by the new denomination
Presbyterians are very into “proper order “
Scott claims PCA ordination .
So would your parish hire an Anglican Priest to fill in on Sundays ?? Why do you act so shocked
Being saved is not being infallible ..we are not your pope (who should have known ...infallible ya know??)
lol, lol
Are all of your teachers ordained?
The fact he taught at a seminary means little, but the fact he misrepresented himself means a lot.
What's the relevance of that? Presbyterians don't have bishops; that's why they're Presbyterians and not Episodicals ... whatever ...
Scott claims PCA ordination
Document that, please. He said he was a Presbyterian, not "PCA". In fact, in his book he mentions that Trinity was a spinoff from the OPC.
You don’t have a clue what you are talking about. It’s really pitiful that you would make such a fool of yourself in public by spouting off statements which show your ignorance.
Infallibility protects promulgation of doctrines concerning faith and morals, not personnel evaluations or assignments. You did know that and you are just "funning" with me, right?
I just think it's odd that you have all of these "unsaved" people in your pulpits and seminaries.
A former friend of his says this of Scott
"He was a postmillennialist who had been heavily influenced by the Reconstructionist movement. In fact, he was the (unordained) pastor of a Reconstructionist church in Fairfax, Virginia.
You said he claimed to be an ordained PCA minister.
I asked you to present proof of the "PCA" part. I have never heard Dr. Hahn describe his past as "PCA", but only as "Presbyterian".
You didn't present any proof.
The observer can judge for himself who's being truthful and who isn't.
A former friend of his says this of Scott
“He was a postmillennialist who had been heavily influenced by the Reconstructionist movement. In fact, he was the (unordained) pastor of a Reconstructionist church in Fairfax, Virginia.
How about the giving the site for that quote.
Or is that a half-quote or maybe not a quote at all.
There is no such thing as just a Presbyterian..that is a form of church government not doctrine
From a RC site
Scott Hahn was PCA in his early college years and in some of his books he talks about how heretical some of the pca's doctrines are. If you have read their confession of faith that really sums it up.
He says he was PCA , so take it up with him
This church that he claims ordained him has not connected to any denomination . Presbyterians DO NOT do that kind of ordination . He can not prove he was ever ordained..but don't let the truth get in your way here :)
So you are saved right? You have assurance of your salvation ?
My dear I was a Catholic for almost 40 years ..I know what Catholics believe and they do not believe one can say they are saved..
I will not convince you either, but there is far too much that the RC teaches that i find offensive to Scripture. We could begin with a celibate priesthood, the Pope as the Vicar of Christ, the many assertions (non-Scriptural) about Mary (such as the Immaculate Conception), the Real Presence, the emphasis on the Saints, even the process of designating someone as a Saint...all of it extremely problematical.
I have been a pastor-teacher for 31 years. I have yet to find any reason for accepting the Roman Catholic Church as the True, and only, church.
"A RC site" saying Scott Hahn was "PCA in his early college years" is not the same thing as Scott Hahn himself saying he was ordained in the PCA. Obviously.
From your source:
“I once knew Scott Hahn. I met him about twelve years ago when he was a Presbyterian minister living in the Washington, D.C. area. (I had spoken to Hahn by phone before that: When he was a student at Gordon-Conwell Seminary, I paid him to record the guest lectures of Gordon Clark at the seminary.)”
~Clearly states, “Presbyterian minister.”
“Question and Answer
Presbyterian Church in America
Question:
What distinguishes the OPC from the PCA? More specifically, are there differences in ordination requirements?
Answer:
The OPC and PCA have fraternal relations. The OPC separated from the northern Presbyterian church in 1936 because of theological liberalism. The PCA separated from the southern Presbyterian church in 1973 because of theological liberalism.
The OPC and PCA share the same doctrinal standards (the Westminster Confession of Faith and Larger and Shorter Catechisms). The OPC tends to be more conservative than the PCA, holding to a more “strict subscriptionist” position relative to the Confession and Catechisms. It also tends to be more conservative in its worship.
Ordination requirements in both the OPC and PCA are very similar. OPC ministers have no difficulty transferring into the PCA, and PCA ministers have no difficulty transferring into the OPC. (SP)”
http://www.opc.org/qa.html?question_id=143
I think the concept of election is totally in the eyes of the beholder.
e.g. - Election = I am and you are not because I believe I am and believe you are not.
I have the same attitude toward the Moose or Woodsmen.
And am a mere autodidact. Just a poor soul dependent upon God's grace who considers all but the knowledge of Christ as dung.
I will not convince you either
So why don't we just pray for each other and look for the day when the dark glasses are taken off.
Well, I was a Presbyterian for 36 years and then Episcopaliian for 18 before I converted 5 years ago. So I was Protestant longer than you were Catholic. Even Protestants aren’t completely sure of salvation. Haven’t you ever heard the term “backsliding?” I’m glad you know yourself well enough to know that you would never deny Christ, even under torture. Wow! You’re better than St. Peter!
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