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1 posted on 05/24/2010 9:12:53 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII
"Metropolitan Hilarion of Volokolamsk (in the photo), said exactly this to the pope: that the Catholic Church will not be alone in the new evangelization of dechristianized Europe, because it will have at its side the Russian Orthodox Church, "no longer a competitor, but an ally."

Strong words! Who can deny it?

2 posted on 05/24/2010 9:13:53 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: annalex

Ping.


5 posted on 05/24/2010 9:29:09 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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Was it Kolbe who said that Communist Russia would one day send out missionaries who would reevangelize the newly pagan west?

Can't remember who said it.........some holy soul in recent memory...........

6 posted on 05/24/2010 9:29:25 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: GonzoII

Smart move by the metropolitan. The Catholics (and protestant evangelicals have been “converting” Orthodox Christians in Russia since the fall of the USSR. This move gets the Orthodox Churches back in the game of spreading the Gospel.


7 posted on 05/24/2010 9:30:12 AM PDT by Adams
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To: GonzoII
An unholy alliance of Anti-Christ, if the Russian Orthodox do not convert to the true Faith.

All the beards, ancient clerical vestments, stunning churches, and liturgy aside, the Russian Orthodox Church has always been just another national, heretical and schismatic church, and since the time of Stalin is controlled by the KGB.

The Vatican today tries to maintain political relations (dialogue) with every country in the world, no matter how evil (Cuba, China, Vietnam etc.) The Russian Orthodox are just one more to dialogue with. "Dialogueing" with them does not legitimize their heresy and schism one bit.

The dogma can never be changed by this pope, the heretical and schismatic, "unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives, cannot share in eternal life, and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels", even if they shed their blood for Christ:

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra:

“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia productive of eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ,, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

Now, yes, the Catholic Church has always recognized the validity of all the heretical and schismatic clergy with proper apostolic succession, the so-called Eastern Orthodox being a later heresy, also has valid clergy and sacraments, however, ALL of their sacraments are of no efficacy to someone who is outside the Catholic Church because of heresy and schism. The sacraments are real, but the recipient is in a state of sin, in his heresy and schism, (and other sins, like adulterous 3rd marriage, permitted by the Orthodox), therefore, in a manner of speaking, one could say that the very next second, the state of sin returns. This is why Cantate Domino says "only those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia productive of eternal rewards".

Anyone who receives the Sacrament of Baptism, whether in the Catholic Church or in a heretical or schismatic church, receives the whole Sacrament; however, he will not have salvation if he has that Sacrament outside the Catholic Church. Eternal life can never in any way be obtained by anyone who, with the Sacrament of Baptism, remains a stranger to the Catholic Church. Hold most firmly and never doubt in the least that no person baptized outside the Catholic Church can become a partaker of eternal life if, before the end of this earthly life, he has not returned, and been incorporated into the Catholic Church. (St. Fulgentius)

Some men can receive Baptism outside the Church, but no one can either receive or possess salvation outside the Church. For the water of the Church is salutary and holy for those who use it well, but outside the Church no one can use it well. (St. Augustine)

There are many heresies which utilize the words of Baptism, but not in a proper sense, nor with sound faith; and, in consequence, the water which they pour is unprofitable, so that he who is sprinkled by them is polluted rather than redeemed. (St. Athanasius)

Although among heretics and schismatics there is the same Baptism, nevertheless, remission of sins is not operative among them because of the rottenness of discord and wickedness of dissension. (St. Augustine)

Baptism does not profit a man outside unity with the Church, for many heretics also possess this Sacrament, but not the fruits of salvation. Children baptized in other communions cease to be members of the Church when, after reaching the age of reason,they make formal profession of heresy, as, for example, by receiving communion in a non Catholic church. (St. Augustine)

9 posted on 05/24/2010 10:09:14 AM PDT by Leoni
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Protestantism essentially presents itself as a liberal interpretation of Christianity.

Ouch.

15 posted on 05/24/2010 11:00:25 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: GonzoII

Those would make Great hockey uniforms. 0<;^)


19 posted on 05/24/2010 6:31:13 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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The problem is that today there are no defenses capable of protecting the spiritual health of the people, their historical-religious uniqueness, from the expansion of foreign and destructive socio-cultural factors, from a new way of life that has emerged outside of any tradition and has been formed under the influence of the postindustrial reality.

At the foundation of this model of life are the ideas of neoliberalism, which combine pagan anthropocentrism, established in European culture at the time of the Renaissance, with features of Protestant theology and elements of philosophical thought of Jewish origin. These ideas were definitively formed at the end of the age of Enlightenment. The French Revolution is the conclusive act of this philosophical and spiritual revolution, which is the basis for the rejection of the normative significance of tradition.

It is by no means a coincidence that this revolution began with the Protestant Reformation, because it was precisely the Reformation that rejected the normative principle of tradition in the realm of Christian doctrine. Tradition, in Protestantism, ceased being a criterion of truth. It was replaced by the application of reason to the Sacred Scriptures, and by personal religious experience. From this point of view, Protestantism essentially presents itself as a liberal interpretation of Christianity.

20 posted on 05/24/2010 6:37:16 PM PDT by annalex
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I hope that everyone now understands the Catholic Church's doctrines, that the Orthodox are not part of The Church, that they are outside of the ONE True Church, the Catholic Church. The Orthodox are in schism and heresy, and their sacraments, although valid, are useless to the recipient who is in a state of schism and heresy, and other mortal sins.

That said, the NORM OF FAITH AS NORM OF LIFE,by Kirill I, patriarch of Moscow and all Russia, is 100% dead on accurate. There is not a pope since the death of Pius XII, that has written anything as clear and accurate as that writing. On the contrary, what has been written by those popes from John XXIII till present, have been in favor of the principles of the French revolution. The only fault i find with the article is where he presumes to be following tradition in being a Russian Orthodox, and presumes that he is part of The Church.

25 posted on 05/25/2010 9:27:30 AM PDT by Leoni
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The Russian Orthodox have not done a much better job in Russia than the Catholic Church has done in Europe. In Catholic countries of Europe like Austria for instance scarcely 5% go to mass on Sundays. The Russian Orthodox have the same number, scarcely 5%.

The Russian Orthodox are not trusted because they were controlled and totally infiltrated by the KGB. The Catholic Church lost it's people because the Bishops and priests became irrelevent to real life, effeminate Progressivists liberals, and changed the mass to a gutted of all the supernatural, effeminate, meeting of the feelings oriented. They lost ALL the real men.

Fulton Sheen wrote in his book The Life of Christ, that he did not know who would prevail, "the crossless Christ of the West, or the Christ-less cross of the East".

The cross-less Christ of the West, is the Christ that does not suffer, the effeminate hippie Church of the USA that knows no suffering.

The Christ-less cross is the Russian people and all the people oppressed by communism, they are brainwashed atheists (Christ-less), but they have a heavy cross upon them every day, great sufferings for now almost 100 years.

Who will triumph?

In my opinion, NOT the crossless Christ of the West, which are the bishops that have been gutting the Catholic Church of Catholicism since the time of John XXIII. Reading what this Kirill I, patriarch of Moscow and all Russia, writes, it looks to me like it will come from the West, but first the Russian Orthodox Church must convert, and return from it's heresy and schism. Till they convert and return, do not follow them.

Hopefully, God is setting up, the conversion of Russia, promised at Fatima.

27 posted on 05/25/2010 10:05:07 AM PDT by Leoni
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