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To: Leoni
"The Orthodox are in schism and heresy, and their sacraments, although valid, are useless to the recipient who is in a state of schism and heresy, and other mortal sins."

Only willfully is one guilty of anything.

You should be supporting this diologue as it is Christ's will that we be one..how else is that going to come about without talking to one another?

Regards.

26 posted on 05/25/2010 9:35:43 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: GonzoII
re:Only willfully is one guilty of anything. That's irrelevent. I said that the Orthodox sacramnets would not be efficious to a a person in the state of sin of heresy, schism and othe mortal sins. Naturally, if they are not in "willfully guilty' of heresy, schism, or sin, the sacraments would be efficacious.

By the way, what you wrote(Only willfully is one guilty of anything) is a cliche that is repeated over and over. The way you've written it, it is not accurate, or complete. We can't read a man's mind. God can. We can only judge by what they say. If a person says that he does not recognize the authority of the pope, that he does not believe nor accept dogmas, say the immaculate conception, and he does not accept the fact that you can't divorce and remarry three times, THEN they are heretics, and schismatics. Do you think that God does not appeal to their reasoning all the time?

You should be supporting this diologue as it is Christ's will that we be one..how else is that going to come about without talking to one another?

The "dialogue" is a lie, there is no dialogue when one side is hiding the truth. The Catholic Church's side is hiding truths, hiding is a form of a lie Honorius I was excommunicated for doing the same thing) You can't lie, even to save the world.

What I'm highlighting is the fact that there is scarcely a Catholic that thinks that the Orthodox are still heretics, schismatic, their sacraments are not efficacious to salvation for the heretic and schismatic, and the Russian Orthodox church is loaded with KGB agents. They are not to be trusted, and anything that they do and say, are to be taken with suspicion.

28 posted on 05/25/2010 10:42:34 AM PDT by Leoni
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To: GonzoII
re: Only willfully is one guilty of anything.

That's irrelevant. I said that the Orthodox sacraments would not be efficacious to a person in the state of sin of heresy, schism and other mortal sins. Naturally, if they are not "willfully guilty" of heresy, schism, or sin, the sacraments would be efficacious.

By the way, what you wrote (Only willfully is one guilty of anything) is a cliché that is repeated over and over. The way you've written it, it is not accurate, or complete. We can't read a man's mind. God can. We can only judge by what they say. If a person says that he does not recognize the authority of the pope, that he does not believe nor accept dogmas, say the immaculate conception, and he does not accept the fact that you can't divorce and remarry three times, THEN they are heretics, and schismatics. Do you think that God does not appeal to their reasoning all the time?

Re: You should be supporting this dialogue as it is Christ's will that we be one..how else is that going to come about without talking to one another?

The "dialogue" is a lie, there is no dialogue when one side is hiding the truth. The Catholic Church's side is hiding truths, hiding is a form of a lie (Honorius I was excommunicated for doing the same thing) You can't lie, even to save the world.

What I'm highlighting is the fact that there is scarcely a Catholic that thinks that the Orthodox are still heretics, schismatic, their sacraments are not efficacious to salvation for the heretic and schismatic, and the Russian Orthodox church is loaded with KGB agents. They are not to be trusted, and anything that they do and say, are to be taken with suspicion.

29 posted on 05/25/2010 10:48:34 AM PDT by Leoni
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