Skip to comments.Italian priests' secret mistresses ask pope to scrap celibacy rule
Posted on 05/27/2010 1:57:30 PM PDT by markomalley
Dozens of Italian women who have had relationships with Roman Catholic priests or lay monks have endorsed an open letter to the pope that calls for the abolition of the celibacy rule. The letter, thought by one signatory to be unprecedented, argues that a priest "needs to live with his fellow human beings, experience feelings, love and be loved".
It also pleads for understanding of those who "live out in secrecy those few moments the priest manages to grant [us] and experience on a daily basis the doubts, fears and insecurities of our men".
The issue was put back on the Vatican's agenda in March when one of Pope Benedict's senior advisers, Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, the archbishop of Vienna, said the abolition of the celibacy rule might curb sex abuse by priests, a suggestion he hastily withdrew after Benedict spoke up for "the principle of holy celibacy".
The authors of the letter said they decided to come into the open after hearing his retort, which they said was an affirmation of "the holiness of something that is not holy" but a man-made rule. There are many instances of married priests in the early centuries of Christianity. Today, priests who follow the eastern Catholic rites can be married, as can those who married before converting to Roman Catholicism from Anglicanism.
One signatory, Stefania Salomone, 42, an office manager, said the message to the pope had been endorsed by nearly 40 women registered with an online forum linked to Il Dialogo website. But such was the sensitivity of the issue that only three had published their names.
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Then they can get divorced! A vow-breaking twofer!
Odd that priests had relations with women.
Where are the little boys in this story?
The Church has never claimed that priests act “in persona Christi” in every single act they do. They only do so in official roles, most especially in providing the sacraments. The Church, the Mystical Body of Christ, is perfect, but those on earth who are part of it still are in need of the grace of God to sanctify them.
Well, you could work with your buddy Holder to get the organization declared illegal under RICO or something. You need his phone nr?
Right because 3 women claiming to be mistresses is news.
To imply that these priests are hypocrites and phonies may very well be true. Yet it reflects on their weaknesses, not of the Church.
Well, they could always stop being priests.
“Italian men’s wives ask Pope to scrap fidelity rule.”
I wonder, if they have them, how the husbands are coping with this suggestion.
The Body of Christ, the universal church of all believers, whether on earth or in heaven is clothed in Christ’s righteousness. That just doesn’t happen to be the organization centered in the Vatican.
Italy has a very low marriage rate. A significant percentage of men in their 30s still live with their parents.
If you have it, just that fact tells us something is peculiar about you. Stay with the guys in the bathrobes and tall hats...they need little boys and, apparently, little girls.
Weird, very weird.
My fellow travelers and I only wish to point out that the kooks from Rome that claim all sort of bizarre titles are just a bunch of sinful, broken, perverts that hide behind superstition, man-made tradition, and sick needs for control over the sheeple. Wake up folks...they are wrong about nearly everything.
It’s a combination of a high cost of living, particularly for housing, and freely available sex outside marriage.
I’m sure the North Africans will enjoy the former nation of Italy; they’ve only waited about 2,400 years for it!
Unless the Chinese take over.
Possible, but the Chinese have closer opportunities, such as the Asian parts of Russia.
What is the Roman Catholic Church, if it is not the fallible men and women? But, they claim perfection in duties (is that the duties with the mistresses?) Once again, the dissonance of the impossible logic of self-aggrandizing, self-appointed, self-proving pontificators rises above the din of the crowd: We are right, we are right, we are right...did I mention we are right?
I don’t think the Russians will let it happen. I think the Chinese will concentrate on Africa first. Thailand already has a thriving gemstone industry and all of their gems come from somewhere in Africa.
“...the Roman-Catholic Church, founded by the apostle Peter under the aegis of God, is an infallible institution...”
Not Biblically supportable. The RC Church has man-made origins just like all other churches and religious systems. The body of Christ on earth is not synonymous with and church or religious system.
Interesting. My daughter, “Seaman Anoreth,” was just in Thailand. It’s kind of a mess - Communists fighting the current government. She’s in Indonesia this week, says it’s boring.
The ethnic Russian population is dropping like a stone. Moslems are the growth population. Whether they’ll fight the Chinese for Siberia and Kamchatka is an interesting question.
one of them may have a facebook page:
and another one:
The overlap between attention whores and regular whores is significant.
Oh, Tax-chick....that’s almost poetic!
I’m surprise there’s any:
Demographics-poetry. Maybe I need a new career ...
If you’re an Italian woman looking to hook up, you might say about a priest, “At least he’s not living with his parents!”
Geoffrey Robinson is strange. (Maybe too closely related to Vicki Gene)
I have no idea who Vicki Gene is address the article as it relates to the thread please.
The last name of the retired bishop you quoted in your link was Robinson. "Vicki Gene" refers to V. Gene Robinson, the first openly homosexual bishop in the Anglican Communion.
It has utterly nothing to do with the original post or the thread, but was a snark related to the article you posted.
address my link to the article thanks
I don't see that your link has any bearing on the article originally posted. You have a retired bishop expressing his personal opinion on an issue. OK, and? I could find you quotes from retired bishops that support the ordination of women to the Catholic priesthood. I could find you articles by retired bishops supporting the ordination of open homosexuals to the Catholic priesthood. And, frankly, I could find you quotes from both retired and active bishops supporting the doing away with the celibacy requirement in the Roman Rite.
Just because a retired bishop or, for that matter, an active bishop says something as his opinion doesn't make it so.
So I don't see any relevance to the article.
really? i do. The article says that clergy in the Catholic Church don’t see abusing a minor who is a male as violating the policy that clergy should be celibate.
The article in this thread is about clergy who have had committed adultry (sex) immorality with a woman.
Isn’t sex sex, no matter what the sex is with a partner?
Some pedophile priests believe molesting children does not breach their vow of celibacy, a retired Australian Catholic bishop said in a magazine interview.
I don't really care what a retired Australian Catholic bishop says.
If you do, well, I'm sorry. Maybe you could take the statements of Pfather Pfleger as official statements of Catholic doctrine as well, while you're at it.
Won’t happen. Begone ladies in waiting.
He’s still receiving benefits from the Catholic Church. Do you think his position changed from when he serving?
The Church has suffered from liberals for the past 100 or so years (See Pascendi Dominici Gregis (On the Doctrine of the Modernists) September 8, 1907, as an example). He is obviously one of them. Just because he is a liberal or that there are liberals doesn't mean that the doctrine of the Church has changed.
Giving them any kind of credence is an insult to the actual doctrine of the Church.
Or are you trying to lead me down a path to say that the Catholic Church is utterly corrupt to the point of having the actual doctrine corrupted? Put your cards on the table.
Well the article I posted does beg the question.
You must be a liberal, what with all the ad hominem. Some big league players bat .350, others bat .250. By an absolute standard of righteousness, no one bats 1000.
afraid the truth hurts
Let me try that once more:
Well the article I posted does beg the question.
Only for one who wishes to read that into the article. Any person who believes in the doctrine taught by the Catholic Church (i.e., an orthodox Catholic) would instantly recognize the liberalism seeping from his words and disregard it as the pap that it is.
One other point: he was never in charge of his own diocese. He was always an auxiliary bishop. That would have been under two Ordinaries: Edward Bede Cardinal Clancy and George Cardinal Pell. A bishop going 20 years as an auxiliary bishop and retiring at age 66.9 (the normal age is 75) should tell the observer something.
Or they could become priests in a church that allows married priests... Episcopals allow priests to marry... Unitarians allow gay ministers... lots of choices out there...
When one of the usual suspects starts ranting about the Church being full to the brim with child molesters, show them this article.
Yes sir, this is clear proof that there are plenty of healthy, virile men who wear the cloth.
Women playing around with married men have the same problem.
I’m not Catholic but this is sick.