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1921 slaying of Catholic priest gets renewed interest
RNS ^ | May 27, 2010 | Greg Garrison

Posted on 05/28/2010 7:41:33 AM PDT by GonzoII

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (RNS) The 1921 murder of the Rev. James E. Coyle on the front porch of his rectory was no ordinary slaying. Involved were the anti-Catholic Ku Klux Klan, a future Supreme Court justice and a preacher’s daughter who secretly married a Puerto Rican.

In her book “Rising Road: A True Tale of Love, Race and Religion in America,” Ohio State University law professor Sharon Davies digs deep into the Coyle’s murder—and the dark chapter of anti-Catholicism in American history.

“There are so many things about this story that are really compelling,” said Davies, who stumbled across the case while doing research for a law journal article. “When I found it, I was absolutely captivated by it. This story needed to be told. We can’t afford to forget this.”

The murder trial was historic partly because future U.S. Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black defended the accused killer, Edwin R. Stephenson, a Methodist minister and member of the Ku Klux Klan.

(Excerpt) Read more at religionnews.com ...


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1 posted on 05/28/2010 7:41:33 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: All
PREACHER KILLS CATHOLIC PRIEST

We are happy to offer these articles for your reading, concerning Father James E. Coyle

2 posted on 05/28/2010 7:42:36 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: markomalley

I found an article you didn’t...ha..ha...


3 posted on 05/28/2010 7:44:10 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: markomalley

I found an article you didn’t...ha..ha...


4 posted on 05/28/2010 7:44:46 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: GonzoII
Democrats.

Ain't they full of fun?

5 posted on 05/28/2010 7:45:06 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: GonzoII
and the dark chapter of anti-Catholicism in American history.

I am afraid that chapter is still being written around the globe.

6 posted on 05/28/2010 7:45:10 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: GonzoII

Bookmark for DH! (ty)


7 posted on 05/28/2010 7:59:57 AM PDT by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: GonzoII

There was an unholy connection between the old Methodist Church and the Ku Klux Klan and part of the connection was because of the anti-alcohol stand of the Klan and of the Methodist Church.

They probably viewed the Catholic Church as a particularly virulent opponent as they used real wine in their liturgy instead of fruit juice. (I guess the Methodist Bible of the time didn’t include the Miracle at Cana.) In some areas the Ku Klux Klan was employed to enforce prohibition.

Read “The Invisble Empire” all about the Klan. At its height in the 1920’s it was not a Southern phenomenon. Places as disparate as New Jersey, Montana and Maine had Klans and people as high as governors and Senators were Klan members. As late as the 1950s I remember reading a Life Magazine article with a bunch of Klansmen in brightly colored robes - Kleagles, etc posing with their hoods off for the camera, grins on thier idiotic inbred faces.

Harry Truman, a Democrat and briefly a Klansman, condemned them as a society of Hooded Bigots after he had left them with disdain.

Today’s United Methodist Church is still anti-alcohol - sort of, but has strayed from the path of anti-Catholocism to the equally disagreeable path of Political Correctness.

How idiots in the Klan could reconcile their virulent anti-Semitism with the worship of a Jewish Christ is beyonod me.

But I guess if you are a nut, there is no room for logic in your brain.


8 posted on 05/28/2010 8:01:56 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: GonzoII

***darn it*****

The story of Coyle is an interesting one and truly reveals the heart of the Democratic Party...particularly as it operated in the deep South.


9 posted on 05/28/2010 8:02:32 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: ZULU
"They probably viewed the Catholic Church as a particularly virulent opponent as they used real wine in their liturgy instead of fruit juice. (I guess the Methodist Bible of the time didn’t include the Miracle at Cana.)"

I can't stop laughing at that one....;0)

10 posted on 05/28/2010 8:12:10 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: ZULU
Back in the 1920s, the Klan was very strong on Long Island in New York, and had control of the Islip Town* government for much of the decade. Until about 30 years ago, there was a plaque at Islip Town Hall under the American flag that said "donated by the daughters of the Ku Klux Klan." The Brooklyn chapter used to have their meetings at a hall right across from Prospect Park that still stands.

*Note: On Long Island, "Towns" refer to large collections of villages and hamlets, and usually comprise 1/4-1/3 of a county.

Since most Puerto Ricans have black blood (a no-no back in the day), it doesn't surprise me that the reaction was so violent.

11 posted on 05/28/2010 8:15:00 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Clemenza

The Klan didn’t like Jews, blacks, Catholics, Italians, Spaniards, Orientals, or American Indians. There were probably a few groups I let out there.

I remember a pretty funny news item back in the 1960s about a group of Lumbee Indians in North Carolina who oraided a Klan rally. They had nice shots of the hooded bigots running away in terror, persued by the yelling indians.


12 posted on 05/28/2010 8:19:33 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Clemenza

Heck, the Klan was strong in many parts of the country, not just in the South.


13 posted on 05/28/2010 8:28:53 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: GonzoII

Roll Tide Role. The author an Ohio State employee probably wants to influence future voters for the national championship to shun the State for alleged improprieties. Find it strange she doesn’t mention similar incidents in Ohio or Michigan where both state universities had coaches (Crisler, Yost and Hayes)who refused to play Catholics at various junctions of the 20th century,


14 posted on 05/28/2010 8:30:30 AM PDT by bronx2
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To: ZULU

ZULU:

More to the point, much of Protestantism in the Southern U.S., where I was born, raised and still live, and other parts of the U.S. such as the rural midwest, was tied to the KKK in some form back first half of the 20th century, either explicitly in this case or implicitly in most cases.


15 posted on 05/28/2010 8:34:12 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: ZULU
The Ku Klux Klan was against Koons, Kikes and Katholics. Prejudice against the first two is now beyond the pale so why is anti-Catholicism still acceptable, asks Michael Burleigh
16 posted on 05/28/2010 8:35:16 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Pyro7480

Most notoriously, they had a majority of the state legislature in Indiana in the 20s (the high point of Klan support in the United States), but were brought down in the Hoosier State thanks to their leaders propensity to rape and murder.


17 posted on 05/28/2010 8:36:11 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: GonzoII

Never heard this story. Interesting read.


18 posted on 05/28/2010 8:41:55 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (Remember in November.)
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To: CTrent1564

True, but the Methodist connection was a very strong one. So was the Presbyterian one.

The Klans’ height was in the 1920’s but it remained a serious menace up through the 1950’s. With the end of segregation, it seemed to implode.

But the Klan is a funny thing. It has a LONG history going back to the post Civil War and during that time it flared up, died down, and repeated itself again and again so, like Frankenstein, it has the potential to rise from the grave at any moment.

I think the reasson it may be dead for good is more people are better educated today, the population has become more ethnically diverse yet at the same time more culturally and biologically amalgamated.

I’m a white Protestant. I don’t hate any religion and respect them all with the singular exception of Islam which I view as a cult, not a legitimate religion.

I don’t see anyone’s religion or race as any of my business as long as they consider themselves AMERICANS.

Today, conservative Protestants and Catholics should realize they have more in common with each other than they differ. Right to life, sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman, an oppostion to acceptance of homosexuality as a life style and most importantly - the worship of the same God Jesus Christ.

And Christians and Jews today, I beleive, recognize themselves as cousins. They come out of the same religious background in Hellenistic Judaea.


19 posted on 05/28/2010 8:44:37 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: A.A. Cunningham
I think in many ways anti-Catholicism today comes not from Protestants but from a virulent group of anti-western leftists who view Judaeo-Christian values as a threat to their socialist world order. Catholicism is the largest, most powerful target due to the number of Catholics worldwide, the willingness of so many of them to die for their faith and the strong organization the Catholic Church presents.

If they take out the Catholic Church, they can take us all out.

20 posted on 05/28/2010 8:50:00 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: ZULU
I know they (KKK) were in NJ. They burned a cross on the lawn of my great grandmother who was Catholic.

Weird thing is that the hound dog of one of the guys who did it was there the next morning sound asleep. She knew exactly who had been a part of it.

21 posted on 05/28/2010 8:54:30 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
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http://www.amazon.com/Rising-Road-True-Religion-America/dp/0195379799#reader_0195379799


22 posted on 05/28/2010 9:04:36 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: GonzoII

Hugo Black the Freemason? Hugo Black, he of the “seperation of church and state?”

Rat


23 posted on 05/28/2010 9:15:58 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch (Rush Limbaugh, the Winston Churchill of our time)
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To: ZULU

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Klan


24 posted on 05/28/2010 10:08:07 AM PDT by packrat35 (Planned Parenthood - Keeping healthcare costs down, one fetus at a time)
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To: Pyro7480

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Klan


25 posted on 05/28/2010 10:09:02 AM PDT by packrat35 (Planned Parenthood - Keeping healthcare costs down, one fetus at a time)
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To: Clemenza

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Klan


26 posted on 05/28/2010 10:09:23 AM PDT by packrat35 (Planned Parenthood - Keeping healthcare costs down, one fetus at a time)
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To: GonzoII; All
There are three distinct phases in the history of the Ku-Klux Klan: 1)the original, Reconstruction Klan, 2)the Klan founded by Simmons in Georgia in 1915 which reached its height in the Twenties--the largest and most influential Klan, and 3)the Klan from WWII to the present whose raison d'etre was opposition to the civil rights movement.

The original Klan was not anti-Catholic or anti-Jewish (it had Catholic and Jewish members including Dr. Samuel Baruch, Jefferson Davis' personal physician) and did not burn crosses. Its primary purpose was resistance to Reconstruction and its targets were Blacks, Republicans, Federal troops, and "scalawags" like my ancestors.

The second Klan is a phenomenon all on its own. Though founded in Atlanta, Georgia (by a professional organizer of fraternal organizations) and based on the very unpatriotic KKK of Reconstruction, it became a national organization representing "100% Americanism" throughout the country. How such an organization, based on a treasonous organization, was accepted as such by people all over the country is a mystery (comparable to a "patriotic" organization based on the "Tories" of the Revolutionary War era). The number one target of this Klan--the largest ever--was indeed the Catholic Church, though this has been largely forgotten. This Klan was not at all controversial in its day but was considered a commendable, mainstream organization. It paraded openly through the streets of Washington and President Harding was initiated as an honorary member in the White House.

As an interesting aside, it was this Klan that began the cross-burning ritual. Simmons had read Dixon's infamous novel The Clansman (on which Griffith's Birth of a Nation had been based). In this book Dixon anachronistically had the Klan burning a cross. He did this because in ancient Scotland (and the ritual of the Klan was based on Scotland, that being the ancestral homeland of many of the initial founders) the highland clans burned crosses as a signal to assemble. The cross was originally "X" shaped (St. Andrew's cross) but after the conversion of Scotland they began burning the Latin cross. Ulster Protestants still burn an X shaped cross as a rallying signal. Anyway, this old Scottish signal was adopted by Simmons and the Second Klan to represent chr*stianity which the Klan evidently interpreted not only theologically, but ethno-culturally as well--specifically the traditional American northwestern European Protestant consensus.

The third Klan, which began during or after WWII and persists to this day, is primarily anti-Semitic, subscribing to the classic conspiracy theories of "the Jews" as being ultimately behind all the "plots" against the white race. Also, to my knowledge, the Klan at the present time is not universally anti-Catholic.

27 posted on 05/28/2010 10:09:49 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Qumah, HaShem, veyafutzu 'oyeveykha, veyanusu mesan'eykha mippaneykha!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Democrats.

Ain't they full of fun?

Indeed.

Unfortunately, at that time Catholics as well as white Southern Protestant bigots were "yellow dog Democrats." That means the fun was intra-party.

28 posted on 05/28/2010 10:11:49 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Qumah, HaShem, veyafutzu 'oyeveykha, veyanusu mesan'eykha mippaneykha!)
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To: CTrent1564
More to the point, much of Protestantism in the Southern U.S., where I was born, raised and still live, and other parts of the U.S. such as the rural midwest, was tied to the KKK in some form back first half of the 20th century, either explicitly in this case or implicitly in most cases.

Don't you mean "much of white Protestantism in the Southern U.S.?"

Interesting how being Black in America seems to be an identity all its own, trumping both chr*stianity and Protestantism, leaving the Black church in its own little demimonde, much like the isolated Armenian and Ethiopian churches.

29 posted on 05/28/2010 10:14:54 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Qumah, HaShem, veyafutzu 'oyeveykha, veyanusu mesan'eykha mippaneykha!)
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To: ZULU

ZULU:

I agree that orthodox Confessional Protestants and Traditional Catholics have more in common than not, and thus should, while not compromising core theological differences, recognize the theological agreements that we have and see each other as allies against the forces of both milatant secularism and miltant Islam.


30 posted on 05/28/2010 10:16:07 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Hugo Black the Freemason? Hugo Black, he of the “seperation of church and state?”

Rat

Black was actually a Klan member at one point.

31 posted on 05/28/2010 10:17:14 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Qumah, HaShem, veyafutzu 'oyeveykha, veyanusu mesan'eykha mippaneykha!)
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To: ZULU

I used to hang out with methodists. They would giggle uncomfortably at the thought of a real Holy Eucharist. Remember the story of Jesus at Cana when he turned the water into juice?


32 posted on 05/28/2010 10:20:05 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Can around 25-30% moonbat base really steal the country from us and hold it?)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Zionist Conspirator:

I don’t think Jefferson Davis became a Catholic till much after the Civil War so I think he was in it during the reconstructionist period, which you noted, ie. the Klan founded by the Southern Calvery General [and perhaps the best milatary figure of the Civil War], Nathan Bedford Forrest in Tennessee.

To the best of my memory, when Davis moved to Savanah I think it was after the war, or maybe somewhere in South Carolina, much of Southern Society saw him as a failure and many of the private schools and academies would not take his kids in their schools and he was viewed as an outcasts. A group of Catholic Nuns allowed treated Jefferson and his family with decency and I think educated his children and that is what ultimately led to his coming into the Catholic Church before his death.


33 posted on 05/28/2010 10:20:31 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: ZULU
How idiots in the Klan could reconcile their virulent anti-Semitism with the worship of a Jewish Christ is beyonod me.

But I guess if you are a nut, there is no room for logic in your brain.

That's simple. He wasn't Jewish. He was the "kinsman-redeemer" of Israel (the White Race). The "Jews" aren't Biblical Israel, but just sort of pop up out of nowhere two thousand years ago to kill chr*st. Then they went off and founded the American Civil Liberties Union. [/sarcasm]

34 posted on 05/28/2010 10:20:35 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Qumah, HaShem, veyafutzu 'oyeveykha, veyanusu mesan'eykha mippaneykha!)
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To: Clemenza
Since most Puerto Ricans have black blood (a no-no back in the day), it doesn't surprise me that the reaction was so violent.

I've long wondered why Puerto Ricans don't count as "white." Since they cannot be the descendants of the actual original inhabitants (who were exterminated by the Honorary Indigenous Spaniards) I assumed that the only thing keeping them from being white was the Spanish language (you know, the indigenous American language that all Indians spoke before the "rednecks" came along).

35 posted on 05/28/2010 10:23:08 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Qumah, HaShem, veyafutzu 'oyeveykha, veyanusu mesan'eykha mippaneykha!)
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To: CTrent1564
I don’t think Jefferson Davis became a Catholic till much after the Civil War

I don't think Davis ever became Catholic, though as a young student at a parochial school he once wanted to.

My point is that the original KKK was never anti-Catholic or anti-Jewish and had Catholics and Jews as members (Dr. Baruch was Jewish).

36 posted on 05/28/2010 10:26:23 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Qumah, HaShem, veyafutzu 'oyeveykha, veyanusu mesan'eykha mippaneykha!)
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To: markomalley
The story of Coyle is an interesting one and truly reveals the heart of the Democratic Party...particularly as it operated in the deep South.

As stated earlier, both Southerners and Catholics were "yellow dog Democrats" back in the day (and many still are).

The Deep South was never anti-Catholic, having a semi-feudal society similar to that of medieval Europe. In fact at the time of the Civil War many Catholics had a deep affinity for the South and many in the North became Copperheads.

It was the North, inheriting traditions from Puritan New England that was anti-Catholic. Many Republicans associated Catholicism with Southern slavery and were anti-Catholic. Moreover, in the election of 1928 the Deep South went solidly for Al Smith. The only defections to the Republican party were in my own Upper South, which to a large extent is more similar to Puritan New England than the Deep South ever was.

37 posted on 05/28/2010 10:30:32 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Qumah, HaShem, veyafutzu 'oyeveykha, veyanusu mesan'eykha mippaneykha!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Zionist Conspirator:

Well, I am not sure it was pro-Catholic either. The fact is that after the Civil War, there were not many areas of the country that had any Catholics save Louisiana [French and Spanish immingrants, mostly French], maybe Southern Ohio and Indiana [Bavarian-German immingrants] and maybe the coastal Northern Cities of Boston and New York [Irish].

There were large numbers of Catholics in the SouthWest [Mexican], although that was not part of the United States then [save Texas.].

It was the continued Irish Immigration after the civil war thru the early 20th century along with the immigration of the Italians [my ancestors] and Polish [my wife’s ancestors] in the late 19th and early 20th, which would eventually make the Catholic Church the largest single religous group by the time of say WWI.


38 posted on 05/28/2010 10:32:38 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“Also, to my knowledge, the Klan at the present time is not universally anti-Catholic”

I heard that there have been Kontemporary (sarcasm) Klansmen who are Catholic and also that some have been Jewish. I thought the current klanners were mainly anti-black.

Before the Klan, there were the No Nothings. Similar groups with simialr targets.


39 posted on 05/28/2010 10:32:39 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“That’s simple. He wasn’t Jewish. He was the “kinsman-redeemer” of Israel (the White Race). The “Jews” aren’t Biblical Israel, but just sort of pop up out of nowhere two thousand years ago to kill chr*st. Then they went off and founded the American Civil Liberties Union. [/sarcasm] “

Either people who believed that never read the Bible, or they were too inbred to understand it.


40 posted on 05/28/2010 10:33:55 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“My point is that the original KKK was never anti-Catholic or anti-Jewish and had Catholics and Jews as members (Dr. Baruch was Jewish). “

Well, the original Klan was more of a guerilla movement against Reconstruction and its aftermath. There were Catholics and Jews in the Confederate Army - and even blacks.


41 posted on 05/28/2010 10:35:17 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Zionist Conspirator:

You are correct on that point that much of the artistocratic South of the pre-Civil War period was not anti Catholic. In fact, New Orleans and Louisiana were perhaps culturally and demographically the most Catholic in the U.S.

Catholic Schools back then were regarded as the best in the South and the Church had already founded many great Hospitals to take care of anyone. The feudal society and Tradition of Family, local rule and the South’s devotion to God and country was the main reason that Pope Pius was the only European to recognize the Confederacy as an independent nation, despite that fact that the Church had going back to the 15th century long ago started to reject slavery.


42 posted on 05/28/2010 10:36:48 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: ZULU
Before the Klan, there were the No Nothings. Similar groups with simialr targets.

I think you mean "Know Nothings."

The Know Nothings could just as easily be classified as a left wing, quasi-masonic anti-clerical secret society as "right wing."

43 posted on 05/28/2010 10:37:15 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Qumah, HaShem, veyafutzu 'oyeveykha, veyanusu mesan'eykha mippaneykha!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The Deep South was never anti-Catholic

From having relatives living in Northern Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, and Tennessee...I can say strictly on the basis of personal experience...

Bull

The exceptions to the rule: Louisiana, the gulf coast regions of Mississippi and Alabama, Charleston, Savannah, and about the southern 1/3 of Texas. (If you want to call the Hampton Roads southern, you can add them in as well)

44 posted on 05/28/2010 10:42:25 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: ZULU
“That’s simple. He wasn’t Jewish. He was the “kinsman-redeemer” of Israel (the White Race). The “Jews” aren’t Biblical Israel, but just sort of pop up out of nowhere two thousand years ago to kill chr*st. Then they went off and founded the American Civil Liberties Union. [/sarcasm] “

Either people who believed that never read the Bible, or they were too inbred to understand it.

All religions have a temptation to henotheism. Chr*stianity, with its belief that "G-d became man," is especially vulnerable. In theory, while Israel was "superseded" (G-d forbid!) by the chr*stian church, in practice what has often happened is that Israel was "superseded" by new chosen nations: Ethiopia, with its Solomonic dynasty; Armenia, the "first chr*stian nation;" Spain, which James and Paul visited; Holy Mother Ireland; Holy Russia; Holy Poland; chr*stian America; etc." In each case the nation becomes the "new Israel" and J*sus becomes a fellow countryman.

There's really no difference between the Klan's white J*sus and the revolutionary "Black J*sus" of many Black churches, though it isn't politically correct to point this out.

I don't know why white "identity" chr*stians are considered so much more dangerous and so much more evil than Black idiots who think Blacks are the "true Israel." Same thing.

45 posted on 05/28/2010 10:43:18 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Qumah, HaShem, veyafutzu 'oyeveykha, veyanusu mesan'eykha mippaneykha!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Sorry. You’re right. Its Know Nothings. But maybe they were “no nothings” too :)


46 posted on 05/28/2010 10:43:40 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Zionist Conspirator

There’s really no difference between the Klan’s white J*sus and the revolutionary “Black J*sus” of many Black churches, though it isn’t politically correct to point this out.

Makes sense to me.


47 posted on 05/28/2010 10:47:23 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Running On Empty

marking


48 posted on 05/28/2010 10:50:36 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: markomalley

markomalley:

Well as someone born and raised in Louisiana, you are correct and the gulf regions of Alabama and Miss. the coast of Georgia were the exceptions, which too my other point, was where much of the rich Southern Society resided and to a point, those folks, who tended to be high-Church Anglicans were not as anti Catholic as the Baptist, Methodist and Presbyterians, who were the predominant religous affiliations of rural Southerners back then, and to some degree, today, although free wheeling pentecostalism has also gained market share among the Protestants.

So one needs to define the context of anti-Catholicism in the South. It has always been there, in the areas not mentioned in your post, but among the wealthy landowners and aristocrats of the South, who tended to be High Church Episcopalians, those folks were not as anti-Catholic like the other Prosteant groups mentioned above.


49 posted on 05/28/2010 10:52:03 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: CTrent1564
You are correct on that point that much of the artistocratic South of the pre-Civil War period was not anti Catholic. In fact, New Orleans and Louisiana were perhaps culturally and demographically the most Catholic in the U.S.

Catholic Schools back then were regarded as the best in the South and the Church had already founded many great Hospitals to take care of anyone. The feudal society and Tradition of Family, local rule and the South’s devotion to God and country was the main reason that Pope Pius was the only European to recognize the Confederacy as an independent nation, despite that fact that the Church had going back to the 15th century long ago started to reject slavery.

All this should be well known, but it is not. Most people assume that the antibellum South and its slaveowners were identical to the Baptist preachers and trailer-park dwelling welfare cases of today (it's amazing how many people seem to blame poor Southerners for everything and let rich Southerners off the hook).

Much of what we today think of as "Southern" actually originally began in the North and New England--Calvinistic, revivalistic chr*stianity, temperance, anti-Catholicism, Know Nothingism, anti-Masonry; bizarre religious enthusiasms, . . . actually, many Confederates and their apologists today liked to blame "Northern radicalism" on Puritanism. I have read the ridiculous claim that Ted Kennedy was merely the logical ideological descendant of Jonathan Edwards.

Read any honest history book and you will see that it was always the North where convents were being burned, where Know Nothings and Prohibitionists had the greatest political power, where "revivals" and new religious sects where people contorted and bent and twisted were being founded. The "burned over district" was in New York State.

All of these things that were once so common in the North were basically overwhelmed by foreign immigration. The old time Yankees literally no longer exist, having been displaced by Irish Catholics. And so these old Northern attitudes found their last bastion in the no-longer-aristocratic South. In fact, I like to call the Upper South, where I live, Southern New England.

I don't want to travel under a false flag. I am an admirer of New England Puritanism, temperance, anti-Masonry, and much of the old moralistic impulse. I am also (confession time here) known as one of the foremost "anti-Catholic bigots" on this forum, though my primary argument with Catholics is against their turning the Bible into a book of "myths" written by ignorant primitives who didn't know how the world actually works.

50 posted on 05/28/2010 10:55:54 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Qumah, HaShem, veyafutzu 'oyeveykha, veyanusu mesan'eykha mippaneykha!)
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