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I was upset with a substitute priest at Mass

Posted on 05/30/2010 10:12:21 AM PDT by Sun

When my husband and I went to Mass last evening, unfortunately our parish priest was ill, so a guest priest said Mass.

When he read the Gospel, he changed He to she. Later the substitute priest said we really don't know if the Holy Spirit is a he or a she.

Later he said, wouldn't the altar girl make a good priest some day, even though the Vatican said women priests is a closed issue. It won't happen.

There were a few other things, but those were the things that bothered me the most.

Here is the gospel, where he changed He to she:

"Jesus said to his disciples: "I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming. He will glorify me, because he will take from what is mine and declare it to you. Everything that the Father has is mine; for this reason I told you that he will take from what is mine and declare it to you."


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I later found out that this guest priest had his own parish, and many people quit the parish, and joined another one, because of his liberal ideas. I can see why. I can accept liberal ideas that differ from mine, but not when it comes to religion.

My husband is going to call the Bishop's office to report it.

1 posted on 05/30/2010 10:12:21 AM PDT by Sun
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To: Sun

ABSOLUTELY!!!


2 posted on 05/30/2010 10:13:41 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience....)
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To: Sun

I think you are duty bound to take this to the local Bishop and then take it to the USCCB. This is a serious violation of Canon Law and the Magisterium of the Church. Unless, we the Church take matters seriously, these errant priests will continue to weaken the Church. Please provide telephone numbers and other contact info.


3 posted on 05/30/2010 10:16:15 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Sun
The Bishop's office? Forget that. Call the Heretic Hotline at the Vatican.
Phone number: Et Cum Spirit 2-2-0
4 posted on 05/30/2010 10:17:22 AM PDT by Krankor
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To: Sun

“My husband is going to call the Bishop’s office to report it. “

He should!


5 posted on 05/30/2010 10:18:34 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Sun

Please keep us informed as to the outcome of your complaint.


6 posted on 05/30/2010 10:19:12 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: Sun

I would be surprised, if others there didn’t, also, report it.


7 posted on 05/30/2010 10:19:35 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: Steelfish

Thanks for the good advise.

Maybe I’ll even contact EWTN’s Raymond Arroryo. He runs EWTN, I believe, and is one of Mother Angelica’s best friends, as well as a friend to bishops and priests, but is not afraid to criticize them when they are wrong.


8 posted on 05/30/2010 10:20:15 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

The Gospels were written down in Greek, which is an inflected language, so check out the gender of the pronouns in the original and translate accordingly.

That said, it sounds like the substitute priest is one of those light in his loafers heretics. Keep him away from the altar boys, IMHO.


9 posted on 05/30/2010 10:20:47 AM PDT by Argus
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To: Krankor

Do I go through the Operator, or just dial 2-2-0?


10 posted on 05/30/2010 10:21:37 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

I would have flipped out.

What father, little boys not good enough for you, you want little girls?

Then I would have kicked out the door.

I am like that, usually though, everyone holds me back and I end up getting ejected.

He knows damn well why we don’t have female priests. There has always been segregation of the sexes in the church.


11 posted on 05/30/2010 10:21:56 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Sun
Sorry to hear about your experience.

MY parish priest was transferred to another parish. He now is convener's for three parishes in Bellmayr.

I miss him so much.

Our new priest started Ascension Sunday by telling us about a song in the movie Gigi.

He does not incense the altar prior to mass, and does not bring in the Gospel when he enters the Church.

I still attend Sunday Mass at my old parish, but also take the trip up to Bellmayr to feed my faith.

12 posted on 05/30/2010 10:22:44 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Sun

It’s a direct line. Just ask for Ben.


14 posted on 05/30/2010 10:23:33 AM PDT by Krankor
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To: Argus

I would know, I think, if he did anything wrong that way, because a friend of mine belonged to his parish.

There are many other ways to offend God, though.


15 posted on 05/30/2010 10:24:17 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

Don’t be harkening to Scriptures to “prove” anything to the Roman Catholic Church. The hieracry holds the self-proclaimed authors of all Scripture, the compilers of the entire Bible, the issuers of the text, the guardians of the truth and they can overturn, rewrite, interpret all texts as suits them. After all...the keys have been given to them alone.

Next year comes the little girls to the altars (they’ve already had the little boys) and soon the tunnels between the monastery and the convents will be busy with training sessions.


16 posted on 05/30/2010 10:24:25 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Argus

Also, only created beings have sex. God and the Holy Spirit have no sex, they are spirits, not flesh. God was incarnated as a man in Jesus Christ for certain reasons, and it’s also natural to refer to God as He since fatherhood is a better metaphor for God’s relation to us than motherhood. But that does not mean that God is a man any more than He’s a woman. Those are limited categories. God, by definition, transcends all limits.


17 posted on 05/30/2010 10:24:45 AM PDT by Argus
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To: COBOL2Java

He is old enough to be a retired priest, thankfully.


18 posted on 05/30/2010 10:25:55 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

what a joke....I woulda walked out

i’m not Catholic

and I have walked out of a Prod service when a freak was preaching


19 posted on 05/30/2010 10:26:06 AM PDT by wardaddy (No mosque at ground zero....are these NYers totally nuts?...what would wake them up?)
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To: Sun

Call the Bishop’s Office immediately; this priest should be disciplined promptly.


20 posted on 05/30/2010 10:27:07 AM PDT by Gapplega
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To: mware

My husband and I are going to attend Mass a a Parish 35 minutes away, until our regular priest comes back, or we are sure they get another substitute priest.


21 posted on 05/30/2010 10:27:52 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun
I wonder what the original language means in this verse? I believe "he" is something like ekeinos. Just curious. I wonder if someone has a Strongs lying around somewhere to see what the original usage was (he, she, generic, etc?)
22 posted on 05/30/2010 10:28:00 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

My husband showed me in the Church prayer book where He, for the Holy Spirit, was approved by some council, I think centuries ago, so the priest has not the right to change it. He’s a guest priest, and he should have said the Mass, the way all priests do, but it seems he just wants to push some kind of AGENDA.


23 posted on 05/30/2010 10:32:33 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

Sun, when I attended an outdoor wedding in the Rocky Mountains a few years ago, a hippy-looking guest priest did a reading of a silly old poem “Desiderata”. Towards the end, he said “Be true to your god, whatever you perceive him OR HER to be”.

Suddenly the sky was split with the BIGGEST LIGHTENING BOLT and THUNDER CLAP I have ever seen or heard.

Everybody sat in stunned silence for a few seconds, and then the wedding proceeded.

I really WISH the LORD would do that sort of thing more often. :-)


24 posted on 05/30/2010 10:34:01 AM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: Sun
Good move my FRiend. I travel over 25 miles every Saturday for the Vigal Mass with my old parish priest.

Others in the parish are also noticing the difference between the Masses. I heard one group talking today prior to Mass that the Mass is over very quickly, but then another person in the group chimed in, "but we don't learn anything."

25 posted on 05/30/2010 10:34:16 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Sun

I’m assuming you’ll also make your own priest and the parish office aware of your displeasure.


26 posted on 05/30/2010 10:34:30 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: Sun
Let us know how he makes out with the Bishop, if you find out. I'd be interested to know if it's just a complaint that will go ignored or if there will be some action.

Maybe you should have your husband ask the Bishop for an apology letter from the priest, then you'll know if it goes anywhere. Of course the letter, if you get one, won't really be an apology, but at least you'll know he heard from his boss.

27 posted on 05/30/2010 10:35:29 AM PDT by b4its2late (Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?)
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To: left that other site
Suddenly the sky was split with the BIGGEST LIGHTENING BOLT and THUNDER CLAP I have ever seen or heard.

I remember during the Terry Schavo case, that I confessed that I wished a lightening bolt would hit her husband (not kill him mind, just give him a jolt to wake him up.)

I could have sworn my priest had a smile on his face, but it still cost me 2 Our Fathers, and 3 Hail Mary's.

28 posted on 05/30/2010 10:40:18 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: wardaddy

Same here. Walked out and only came back when the left wing minister (once told me he considered Jimmy Carter to have been the best president in his lifetime and later on alluded to his pro-abortion beliefs - THAT was the last straw) decided, after the congregation had dropped by a third, to “retire” and was replaced. If a priest/minister/rabbi demonstrates he or she no longer (maybe never did) believes in the tenets of whatever faith or denomination they are commissioned to serve they need to leave, voluntarily or otherwise.


29 posted on 05/30/2010 10:41:34 AM PDT by katana (Part Neanderthal, and proud of it!)
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To: Sun

I’m sure he had an agenda, I’m just wondering what the original Biblical term was, not what some council deemed it to be.


30 posted on 05/30/2010 10:42:03 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Dutchboy88
Don’t be harkening to Scriptures to “prove” anything to the Roman Catholic Church. The hieracry holds the self-proclaimed authors of all Scripture, the compilers of the entire Bible, the issuers of the text, the guardians of the truth and they can overturn, rewrite, interpret all texts as suits them. After all...the keys have been given to them alone.

Well, shucks, it is true that the keys have been given to the Church. Good point. However, that deflects from the point of the thread in which it is obvious that the priest is wrong. It is not the Faith and it is not the doctrine of the Church. The Church is the Church of sinners, and Lord knows, we really prove that over and over.

The freakish Father Phleger is a case in point; and there are bishops of the USCCB still alive that would have been beaten to death in the streets by the faithful in the 300s and 400s. However, things are not all gloomy.

If BXVI were not the most Orthodox Pope in the last millennium, would Patriarch Kirill or Metropolitan Filaret waste any of their time with him at all?

31 posted on 05/30/2010 10:43:26 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Sun; Krankor; Salvation; NYer

No joke: when we visited the Vatican, our priest arranged for use to be greeted by a Polish nun at St. Peter’s Square to plow past the Swiss Guard and see some things normally off-limits. She was an international telephone switchboard operator for the Vatican. When she later came to visit our priest on vacation, she stayed at our home. I almost died when I saw her copy of the official Vatican phone directory (she had to get it out to make a call). I was SOOOOO tempted to sneak in and grab it from her room while she was asleep so I could make a photocopy!!!


32 posted on 05/30/2010 10:44:53 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Krankor

Are you Kranking her chain? :-)

LOL your homepage.


33 posted on 05/30/2010 10:45:00 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Pre-post tribulationist, post-preterist, post-toasties, pre-postal semi-pelican brief amillenialist)
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To: Sun

A mind thats preoccupied with such worldly silliness cannot be focused on the Word.


34 posted on 05/30/2010 10:45:53 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: mware

I would have given you FIVE Our Father’s but I am STRICT! LOL

Maybe because I have gotten electrocuted (while wallpapering)an know how it feels! hahahahahahahahaha


35 posted on 05/30/2010 10:45:59 AM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: Larry Lucido

It’s an old altar boy joke.


36 posted on 05/30/2010 10:48:17 AM PDT by Krankor
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To: katana; wardaddy

I once walked out of Easter Sunday Mass and drove to the next parish when the priest started talking about the resurrection as a metaphor.

Didn’t have the nerve to clap my shoes together or shout 1 Cor 15:17 as I went, unfortunately.


37 posted on 05/30/2010 10:49:52 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: left that other site
Oh my priest is strict enough, but I have really become comfortable with Confession.

I am a convert and it was probably the most difficult aspect of my new faith to get use to.

I now try to go to Confession once a week.

38 posted on 05/30/2010 10:51:28 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Krankor

Ah.

(They never let me be an old altar boy).


39 posted on 05/30/2010 10:52:17 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Pre-post tribulationist, post-preterist, post-toasties, pre-postal semi-pelican brief amillenialist)
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To: Sun

Your husbands correct. Call the Bishop and pray for the priest.


41 posted on 05/30/2010 10:53:44 AM PDT by Highway55
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To: Sun

I am not Catholic. I can tell you I believe the priest who substituted this morning is an idiot.
Do what you need to do to get this man out of ever preaching again. Where did he get his training from a cracker jack box?


42 posted on 05/30/2010 10:54:11 AM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: left that other site

I love that story!

Something similar happened to Rudy Giuliani. Remember?


43 posted on 05/30/2010 10:54:27 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: mware

While it’s too soon to change parishes, I told my husband that when we attend other churches to give all the $$ we usually give to the church we attend, and NOT make up the envelops later.


44 posted on 05/30/2010 10:57:36 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: b4its2late; Sun

It’s a good idea to go up the chain of command and keep copies of what you write and to whom, and also copies of any replies you may receive. In other words, keep a paper trail.

For example: the first letter should go to the priest who caused your concerns and it should state simply and clearly what those soncerns are. A cc should be sent to your pastor at the same time.

If you don’t hear from either the sub priest or the pastor within a reasonable number of days, send a letter to your bishop and enclose the letters you have already sent to the priest and to your pastor. Let the bishop know that you have not received any response to your first letters.

If you do receive a response, send your initial letter and any responses you have received to the bishop with a cover letter to your bishop explaining your concern and what you have done about it.

If no one responds, send everything along to the papal nuncio.

Good luck


45 posted on 05/30/2010 10:58:44 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: All

Good on you for reporting the priest.

One of our priests is going out of his way to talk about “immigrants” and how Christ would treat them, purposefully excluding the illegal portion of the label. Even my wife, who is generally forgiving of these type of statements....has had it.

This stuff is coming to a head with me, taken in conjunction with comments made by Gomez, out in LA.


46 posted on 05/30/2010 10:59:46 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (A loud band of PaulBots, Isolationists, Protectionists, 911Inside Jobnuts, 3rdParty Loud Irrelevants)
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To: ErnBatavia

My husband, on the way out told the lector, a Church council member, a regular church attendee, and vented and informed.


47 posted on 05/30/2010 10:59:48 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: mware

Just Teasing, my FRiend!

Confession is good for the soul. It is really excellent that you have found a Church Home and a Good Priest that you can confide in.

I feel very sad for good Christian folks for whom “church” (OF ALL DENOMINATIONS)has been a disappointment or painful experience for them. It happens all over the Body of Christ, and is indicative of the human condition, I am afraid.

But, As Jesus said, the gates of hell shall NOT prevail against His Church!


48 posted on 05/30/2010 10:59:49 AM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: Sun

Oooohhh...What was it that happened to Rudi?


49 posted on 05/30/2010 11:00:49 AM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: Sun

Am just curious - why must you depend on your husband so much to contact the Bishop or research the relevant rules? Are you helpless/mute/illiterate?! Of course I’m just kidding, but have a bit more confidence in your own abilities! If you don’t like something, do something about it; you shouldn’t have to go through your husband.


50 posted on 05/30/2010 11:01:40 AM PDT by JWC83
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