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Skip to comments.I was upset with a substitute priest at Mass
Posted on 05/30/2010 10:12:21 AM PDT by Sun
When my husband and I went to Mass last evening, unfortunately our parish priest was ill, so a guest priest said Mass.
When he read the Gospel, he changed He to she. Later the substitute priest said we really don't know if the Holy Spirit is a he or a she.
Later he said, wouldn't the altar girl make a good priest some day, even though the Vatican said women priests is a closed issue. It won't happen.
There were a few other things, but those were the things that bothered me the most.
Here is the gospel, where he changed He to she:
"Jesus said to his disciples: "I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming. He will glorify me, because he will take from what is mine and declare it to you. Everything that the Father has is mine; for this reason I told you that he will take from what is mine and declare it to you."
My husband is going to call the Bishop's office to report it.
I think you are duty bound to take this to the local Bishop and then take it to the USCCB. This is a serious violation of Canon Law and the Magisterium of the Church. Unless, we the Church take matters seriously, these errant priests will continue to weaken the Church. Please provide telephone numbers and other contact info.
“My husband is going to call the Bishop’s office to report it. “
Please keep us informed as to the outcome of your complaint.
I would be surprised, if others there didn’t, also, report it.
Thanks for the good advise.
Maybe I’ll even contact EWTN’s Raymond Arroryo. He runs EWTN, I believe, and is one of Mother Angelica’s best friends, as well as a friend to bishops and priests, but is not afraid to criticize them when they are wrong.
The Gospels were written down in Greek, which is an inflected language, so check out the gender of the pronouns in the original and translate accordingly.
That said, it sounds like the substitute priest is one of those light in his loafers heretics. Keep him away from the altar boys, IMHO.
Do I go through the Operator, or just dial 2-2-0?
I would have flipped out.
What father, little boys not good enough for you, you want little girls?
Then I would have kicked out the door.
I am like that, usually though, everyone holds me back and I end up getting ejected.
He knows damn well why we don’t have female priests. There has always been segregation of the sexes in the church.
MY parish priest was transferred to another parish. He now is convener's for three parishes in Bellmayr.
I miss him so much.
Our new priest started Ascension Sunday by telling us about a song in the movie Gigi.
He does not incense the altar prior to mass, and does not bring in the Gospel when he enters the Church.
I still attend Sunday Mass at my old parish, but also take the trip up to Bellmayr to feed my faith.
It’s a direct line. Just ask for Ben.
I would know, I think, if he did anything wrong that way, because a friend of mine belonged to his parish.
There are many other ways to offend God, though.
Don’t be harkening to Scriptures to “prove” anything to the Roman Catholic Church. The hieracry holds the self-proclaimed authors of all Scripture, the compilers of the entire Bible, the issuers of the text, the guardians of the truth and they can overturn, rewrite, interpret all texts as suits them. After all...the keys have been given to them alone.
Next year comes the little girls to the altars (they’ve already had the little boys) and soon the tunnels between the monastery and the convents will be busy with training sessions.
Also, only created beings have sex. God and the Holy Spirit have no sex, they are spirits, not flesh. God was incarnated as a man in Jesus Christ for certain reasons, and it’s also natural to refer to God as He since fatherhood is a better metaphor for God’s relation to us than motherhood. But that does not mean that God is a man any more than He’s a woman. Those are limited categories. God, by definition, transcends all limits.
He is old enough to be a retired priest, thankfully.
what a joke....I woulda walked out
i’m not Catholic
and I have walked out of a Prod service when a freak was preaching
Call the Bishop’s Office immediately; this priest should be disciplined promptly.
My husband and I are going to attend Mass a a Parish 35 minutes away, until our regular priest comes back, or we are sure they get another substitute priest.
My husband showed me in the Church prayer book where He, for the Holy Spirit, was approved by some council, I think centuries ago, so the priest has not the right to change it. He’s a guest priest, and he should have said the Mass, the way all priests do, but it seems he just wants to push some kind of AGENDA.
Sun, when I attended an outdoor wedding in the Rocky Mountains a few years ago, a hippy-looking guest priest did a reading of a silly old poem “Desiderata”. Towards the end, he said “Be true to your god, whatever you perceive him OR HER to be”.
Suddenly the sky was split with the BIGGEST LIGHTENING BOLT and THUNDER CLAP I have ever seen or heard.
Everybody sat in stunned silence for a few seconds, and then the wedding proceeded.
I really WISH the LORD would do that sort of thing more often. :-)
Others in the parish are also noticing the difference between the Masses. I heard one group talking today prior to Mass that the Mass is over very quickly, but then another person in the group chimed in, "but we don't learn anything."
I’m assuming you’ll also make your own priest and the parish office aware of your displeasure.
Maybe you should have your husband ask the Bishop for an apology letter from the priest, then you'll know if it goes anywhere. Of course the letter, if you get one, won't really be an apology, but at least you'll know he heard from his boss.
I remember during the Terry Schavo case, that I confessed that I wished a lightening bolt would hit her husband (not kill him mind, just give him a jolt to wake him up.)
I could have sworn my priest had a smile on his face, but it still cost me 2 Our Fathers, and 3 Hail Mary's.
Same here. Walked out and only came back when the left wing minister (once told me he considered Jimmy Carter to have been the best president in his lifetime and later on alluded to his pro-abortion beliefs - THAT was the last straw) decided, after the congregation had dropped by a third, to “retire” and was replaced. If a priest/minister/rabbi demonstrates he or she no longer (maybe never did) believes in the tenets of whatever faith or denomination they are commissioned to serve they need to leave, voluntarily or otherwise.
I’m sure he had an agenda, I’m just wondering what the original Biblical term was, not what some council deemed it to be.
Well, shucks, it is true that the keys have been given to the Church. Good point. However, that deflects from the point of the thread in which it is obvious that the priest is wrong. It is not the Faith and it is not the doctrine of the Church. The Church is the Church of sinners, and Lord knows, we really prove that over and over.
The freakish Father Phleger is a case in point; and there are bishops of the USCCB still alive that would have been beaten to death in the streets by the faithful in the 300s and 400s. However, things are not all gloomy.
If BXVI were not the most Orthodox Pope in the last millennium, would Patriarch Kirill or Metropolitan Filaret waste any of their time with him at all?
No joke: when we visited the Vatican, our priest arranged for use to be greeted by a Polish nun at St. Peter’s Square to plow past the Swiss Guard and see some things normally off-limits. She was an international telephone switchboard operator for the Vatican. When she later came to visit our priest on vacation, she stayed at our home. I almost died when I saw her copy of the official Vatican phone directory (she had to get it out to make a call). I was SOOOOO tempted to sneak in and grab it from her room while she was asleep so I could make a photocopy!!!
Are you Kranking her chain? :-)
LOL your homepage.
A mind thats preoccupied with such worldly silliness cannot be focused on the Word.
I would have given you FIVE Our Father’s but I am STRICT! LOL
Maybe because I have gotten electrocuted (while wallpapering)an know how it feels! hahahahahahahahaha
It’s an old altar boy joke.
I once walked out of Easter Sunday Mass and drove to the next parish when the priest started talking about the resurrection as a metaphor.
Didn’t have the nerve to clap my shoes together or shout 1 Cor 15:17 as I went, unfortunately.
I am a convert and it was probably the most difficult aspect of my new faith to get use to.
I now try to go to Confession once a week.
(They never let me be an old altar boy).
Your husbands correct. Call the Bishop and pray for the priest.
I am not Catholic. I can tell you I believe the priest who substituted this morning is an idiot.
Do what you need to do to get this man out of ever preaching again. Where did he get his training from a cracker jack box?
I love that story!
Something similar happened to Rudy Giuliani. Remember?
While it’s too soon to change parishes, I told my husband that when we attend other churches to give all the $$ we usually give to the church we attend, and NOT make up the envelops later.
It’s a good idea to go up the chain of command and keep copies of what you write and to whom, and also copies of any replies you may receive. In other words, keep a paper trail.
For example: the first letter should go to the priest who caused your concerns and it should state simply and clearly what those soncerns are. A cc should be sent to your pastor at the same time.
If you don’t hear from either the sub priest or the pastor within a reasonable number of days, send a letter to your bishop and enclose the letters you have already sent to the priest and to your pastor. Let the bishop know that you have not received any response to your first letters.
If you do receive a response, send your initial letter and any responses you have received to the bishop with a cover letter to your bishop explaining your concern and what you have done about it.
If no one responds, send everything along to the papal nuncio.
Good on you for reporting the priest.
One of our priests is going out of his way to talk about “immigrants” and how Christ would treat them, purposefully excluding the illegal portion of the label. Even my wife, who is generally forgiving of these type of statements....has had it.
This stuff is coming to a head with me, taken in conjunction with comments made by Gomez, out in LA.
My husband, on the way out told the lector, a Church council member, a regular church attendee, and vented and informed.
Just Teasing, my FRiend!
Confession is good for the soul. It is really excellent that you have found a Church Home and a Good Priest that you can confide in.
I feel very sad for good Christian folks for whom “church” (OF ALL DENOMINATIONS)has been a disappointment or painful experience for them. It happens all over the Body of Christ, and is indicative of the human condition, I am afraid.
But, As Jesus said, the gates of hell shall NOT prevail against His Church!
Oooohhh...What was it that happened to Rudi?
Am just curious - why must you depend on your husband so much to contact the Bishop or research the relevant rules? Are you helpless/mute/illiterate?! Of course I’m just kidding, but have a bit more confidence in your own abilities! If you don’t like something, do something about it; you shouldn’t have to go through your husband.